You'll be flamed by the #TeddyOrDie fans but nice, well thought out post. I applaud you for thinking outside the box.

Nah just being sensible, this past season should be an eye opener for people who though that an option offense and option qbs are durable over the long term

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Solid post, your wrong on most accounts but solid post. 

 

First Bridgewater is exceptional at feeling heat and using his athleticism to move around in the pocket. He has rarely played a game with a entirely clean pocket, often times he has to toll out, move up in the pocket, adjust side to side, he does all those well as he keeps his eyes downfield.

 

You obviously went blind when noticing how many times Bridgewater throws with a defender straight in his face. It happened several times during the rutgers, ucf, kentucky and usf games. 

 

He doesn't play with a great team and he has the knack of throwing his receivers open

 

if you aren't seeing this, you are watching Bridgewaters tape from high school then.

 

Everything Mariota does, Bridgewater does much better on a pro level.

 

Athleticism is overrated as proof of RG3's regression and Kaepnericks underwhelming 013 performance. Brady, Manning and Rodgers are in the bottom half in the league in terms of qb  athleticism yet they are the top three qbs overall. 

 

Everything that you have said Mariota can do, avoids rush, dual threat, arm strength, protects football (teddy always makes the right decision, hence high completion rate in pro style offense), Bridgewater does much better

 

Bridgewater makes 4-5 reads in a given pass play, looks off safeties, places the ball where it needs to be. 

 

Mariota needs to watch from the bench and grasp the offense. The NFL has said qbs can be hit like a running back on option plays and defenses have played contain, forcing guys like Kaep and RG3 to beat them from the pocket while taking away their first read.

 

Great post overall, wrong on most accounts though.

 

I guess you and I just choose to put more stock in other areas when assessing these QBs. I agree to disagree. 

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I guess you and I just choose to put more stock in other areas when assessing these QBs. I agree to disagree. 

Fair point, Colts fans who told me that same thing when some wanted RG3 over Luck... 

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I've kind of been replying on 3 or 4 different threads so I'll answer your question. As for the idiot parrots Wiseman and Tommy boy I'm not 14 nor do I ever form my opinions from espn. I have been a fan of the Jaguars since the 99 AFC championship game. As a Jag fan all I know is mediocrity. How many people fall in love with the losing team of a heartbreaking playoff loss? The QB's I've been screaming, shouting and hoping for success include the following. Mark Brunell (Post knee injury), Byron Leftwich, David Garrard, and Blaine Gabbert. That's pretty sad when the best QB I have seen perform for the Jaguars was David Garrard. 

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 Here's the thing with Bridgewater. For some reason I'm not believing the hype. I think that he gets a too much credit for beating up a Florida team (his one signature win) that is offensively inept and could not counter offensively thus causing the defense to carry the team. Louisville and yes Bridgewater had some nice scripted drives and punched Florida in the mouth early and there was no answer. When the Gators finally started to adjust and apply pressure, Bridgewater became very inaccurate. Again this is simply from watching. I do not have a bias on either team. Another thing I think that there is some unwarranted mystique because Bostic laid out Bridgewater in that game so it is now a go to highlight when showing he is pocket aware or keeps his eyes down field. While I personally agree with some of those points or facts, I do not think he is fearless and I believe he does feel the pressure. I'm basing that overall sentiment to all the tape and games I have watched of Bridgewater/Louisville. I'm not saying he wont be a good QB in the NFL. I know I rile up the people here a little and have called Bridgewater a bust but that's more for effect. I think Bridgewater will have some success in the NFL. I'm not so sure that it will be an elite level though. I simply do not think that he is the QB for this Jaguar team. If his surrounding offense was more complete then I would say oh heck yes get him because he does display a lot of "prototypical style" traits. But the fact is that this team is almost completely void of surrounding talent. 

 

 The Mariota argument: There are many reasons why I would rather have Mariota over Bridgewater. I believe his overall potential is higher. His instinct, athleticism and speed are traits that cannot be taught. They're simply apart of him. He is Taylor made for the Jaguars in several ways. 1.He avoids the rush 2. He is a dual threat. 3. His arm strength. 4. He protects the football. 5. He makes quick reads. The Jaguars need play makers and Mariota immediately gives them that ability. Many people don't like the fact that he's a spread offense QB. But in the NFL there is room for this style. Especially when the WR's perfectly suit him initially. Between Shorts, Blackmon and Brown those are all wide outs that can get YAC just the way it suits him at Oregon. People don't give Mariota credit for making multiple reads. Yet this is false. He has grown immensely and every game is showing that yes he indeed makes reads but is also called upon to take control and make plays with his mobility. Mariota has a nice tight quick release and keeps his shoulders square when throwing on the run. He display's the potential to be a mobile threat but also scan the field and place the ball on target where only his receiver can catch it. Finally, I believe that he would rejuvenate the fans that just need to be excited about watching something worth watching sooner than later. It is a matter of time and the time is now to get an exciting QB in Jacksonville. Mariota is a QB that would spearhead the quick rebuild of the Jaguars offense into a greatest show on grass level. 

 

 

 Those are my honest opinions. Take or leave it. I don't care if you don't like it. 

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Good post!

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Mariota will be a bust after his career is ruined via injuries ala RG3. No one cares what our Gabbert fanboys on this forum think we should do for a QB. They want the kid who is a lot like Gabbert coming out. Not surprising.

 

Bridgewater is going #1. Accept it. I think the underdog complex people are developing for the little Hawaiian dude is adorable. I really do. So precious. But time to come back to the real of reality.

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Right now there's no reason why Bridgewater isn't the #1 pick.  It is sickening that there are some people trying really hard to justify the Geno Smith comparison. 

 

Prior to 2012 college season, Smith wasn't even the top or second QB prospect -- it was Barkley and T. Wilson.  Smith threw for a lot of yards in his first 6 games of the season in his pass happy spread offense, and that was the start of his hype.  But of course his inconsistency problems were exposed and and his team had a huge meltdown.

 

Bridgewater was considered to be the first QB taken in last year's draft, even as a true sophomore, ahead of Manuel if he was eligible to declare.  Coming into this season he was the consensus top QB prospect and second overall, behind freak of nature Clowney.  As of right now, NOTHING that he has done -- or hasn't done -- to change what people thought of him prior to this season.  He's still one of the best college players and the most pro-ready QB prospect right now.  As far as the QB class is concerned, he is still considered the SAFEST pick. 

 

The argument for Mariota is the "potential" argument because he is bigger, stronger and faster. That's it.  Nothing more.  Nothing Mariota about Mariota's game should convince anyone that he is a better prospect than Bridgewater.

 

When it's all said and done, Bridgewater is the pick, and it's not even close.

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Right now there's no reason why Bridgewater isn't the #1 pick.  It is sickening that there are some people trying really hard to justify the Geno Smith comparison. 

 

Prior to 2012 college season, Smith wasn't even the top or second QB prospect -- it was Barkley and T. Wilson.  Smith threw for a lot of yards in his first 6 games of the season in his pass happy spread offense, and that was the start of his hype.  But of course his inconsistency problems were exposed and and his team had a huge meltdown.

 

Bridgewater was considered to be the first QB taken in last year's draft, even as a true sophomore, ahead of Manuel if he was eligible to declare.  Coming into this season he was the consensus top QB prospect and second overall, behind freak of nature Clowney.  As of right now, NOTHING that he has done -- or hasn't done -- to change what people thought of him prior to this season.  He's still one of the best college players and the most pro-ready QB prospect right now.  As far as the QB class is concerned, he is still considered the SAFEST pick. 

 

The argument for Mariota is the "potential" argument because he is bigger, stronger and faster. That's it.  Nothing more.  Nothing Mariota about Mariota's game should convince anyone that he is a better prospect than Bridgewater.

 

When it's all said and done, Bridgewater is the pick, and it's not even close.

 

 

Maybe he will be the first pick. It wont make it right though. You and your fan boys are going to be in for a rude awakening when either Tampa picks him or the Jags pass on him. 

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Maybe he will be the first pick. It wont make it right though. You and your fan boys are going to be in for a rude awakening when either Tampa picks him or the Jags pass on him. 

You're so clueless it's ridiculous. Why in the world would you want to pick the lesser of the two best QBs in this draft? Blows my mind.

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I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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You're so clueless it's ridiculous. Why in the world would you want to pick the lesser of the two best QBs in this draft? Blows my mind.

 

I've made it very clear why I would pick Mariota over Bridgewater. It's not my fault you can't comprehend it. Mariota is the better prospect by far and he passes the eye test. Bridgewater displays some nice skills but he's not Andrew Luck and some of you are making him out to be. 

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I've made it very clear why I would pick Mariota over Bridgewater. It's not my fault you can't comprehend it. Mariota is the better prospect by far and he passes the eye test. Bridgewater displays some nice skills but he's not Andrew Luck and some of you are making him out to be. 

HAHAHAHAHA. Oh god. 

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I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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I've made it very clear why I would pick Mariota over Bridgewater. It's not my fault you can't comprehend it. Mariota is the better prospect by far and he passes the eye test. Bridgewater displays some nice skills but he's not Andrew Luck and some of you are making him out to be. 

 

Nobody is the prospect that Andrew Luck was.  Not Mariota, and not Bridgewater.  But Bridgewater is close.  Mariota is going to go through the pains of adjusting to a pro offense.  We've been through that.  I want a guy that we can plug and play at the position who doesn't have to have his mechanics coached out of him for the first year and a half.  

 

Basically what you're saying is that Mariota CAN be the QB that Teddy currently is, but with legs.  "He has a higher ceiling" is another way of saying that he is more of a project.

 

And every time I see somebody say that one player has a higher ceiling than another, I remember that almost every analyst said that Ryan Leaf had a higher ceiling than Peyton Manning, and that they thought Manning had peaked at Tennessee which is why Leaf was the better prospect.  Because of a higher ceiling.  I don't buy that.  Give me the guy who has had 70%+ completion for the past two years, who already plays in an under-center pro style offense, who doesn't need to adjust away from the spread offense, and who's done it consistently this whole year and last year.  That's the guy I want.

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Garrard was better than Brunell? That right there shows me why Thundercrap can't figure out why TB is the better qb.

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If that RV sales place wants Tebow in Jax bad enough to take out a billboard saying as much.....they should just HIRE him.

Nobody is the prospect that Andrew Luck was.  Not Mariota, and not Bridgewater.  But Bridgewater is close.  Mariota is going to go through the pains of adjusting to a pro offense.  We've been through that.  I want a guy that we can plug and play at the position who doesn't have to have his mechanics coached out of him for the first year and a half.  

 

Basically what you're saying is that Mariota CAN be the QB that Teddy currently is, but with legs.  "He has a higher ceiling" is another way of saying that he is more of a project.

 

And every time I see somebody say that one player has a higher ceiling than another, I remember that almost every analyst said that Ryan Leaf had a higher ceiling than Peyton Manning, and that they thought Manning had peaked at Tennessee which is why Leaf was the better prospect.  Because of a higher ceiling.  I don't buy that.  Give me the guy who has had 70%+ completion for the past two years, who already plays in an under-center pro style offense, who doesn't need to adjust away from the spread offense, and who's done it consistently this whole year and last year.  That's the guy I want.

 

Good post. 

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Garrard was better than Brunell? That right there shows me why Thundercrap can't figure out why TB is the better qb.

 

jagjer, how can I say this politely.... your an ape. I've already made that a very convincing argument before on the old board. It's a shame the old content was lost because that thread was a doozie! 

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This is a popular thread.

 

Over/Under - 120 pages by Draft Day.

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Only casuals think Mariota has a higher ceiling than Bridgewater. They're the same people who bought ESPN's fake Luck-RGIII controversy -- one was safer, one had limitless potential! Nevermind that RGIII never has and never will possess Luck's ceiling in the NFL. Luck had the potential to be the best quarterback in the league, and I'd bet my life on him doing so in the next 5-7 years... what exactly surpasses that?

 

Elite intelligence and pocket presence > elite athleticism at the position. What do Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees all have in common? They're the smartest guys in the league. I really doubt that Mariota's legs will ever be enough to outweigh Bridgewater's brilliance. 

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Only casuals think Mariota has a higher ceiling than Bridgewater. They're the same people who bought ESPN's fake Luck-RGIII controversy -- one was safer, one had limitless potential! Nevermind that RGIII never has and never will possess Luck's ceiling in the NFL.

 

Elite intelligence and pocket presence > elite athleticism at the position. What do Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees all have in common? They're the smartest guys in the league.

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 48 on the Wonderlic.

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Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 48 on the Wonderlic.

 

I'm not talking about book smarts, but I'm sure you already knew that. At least I'd hope so.

 

Gabbert scored a 42. Peyton scored a 28. Marino scored a 16.

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I'm not talking about book smarts, but I'm sure you already knew that. At least I'd hope so.

 

Gabbert scored a 42. Peyton scored a 28. Marino scored a 16.

 

So those guys aren't the smartest guys in the league. Gotcha.

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So those guys aren't the smartest guys in the league. Gotcha.

 

Heh.

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