Fantasy view? He said he would build a wall. Is that not a fantasy?

 

Don't bother with Pirkster...he is subscribes to the Alt-Right movement. I don't want to say the real name of Alt-Right for fear of being banned. 

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I've already been down this road and am sick of trying to explain it to people who live in fantasy world where any negative thing said about Trump is a liberal media lie. Search "alt right" in the forum and you can see what has been said. I'm not going to rehash it again. It was not coined by the left.

 

Except, that's what's happening. You're using it to describe people you consider far-right. Then you (by you, I mean you or your party) use it to describe people that hold similar or like-minded views on certain topics as those that are far-right.

 

You can pretend that you aren't but it wouldn't make it any less true. 

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First off.. I'm making the accurate point this is NOT something dems or libs just cooked up or coined. Several here have denied it even is a real thing.


Second, my original post makes no claim that I think Trump is any of the things you mention. You hear what you want to hear. Getting back to my original point.. where are the people saying "these white nationalist neo-nazis are not with us?" Where is the Republican party standing up and saying.. we don't condone Americans doing this. They're not. Hell.. half the people on this board aren't either. Nazi salutes are not something you should need to be asked to discredit or strike down. The sight of it on American soil should be so repulsive a chorus of people should be distancing themselves from this. So far. ..crickets.

 

Who denied it was a real thing?

 

You expect people to come out and say something stupid is stupid. People already know their stupid.

 

Do you get this upset with the Black Panthers do their thing?

 

Anything like this I vehemently disagree with I vocally depose. I have never been one to shy away from bashing fringe elements from the left when they cross a line. Don't act like I do.

 

Now we must protest as you protest? No one knew who these nut jobs were before liberals gave them the spot light. 

 

 

Only liberals can get away with telling a black man that he's (essentially) blind to vote conservative. That he should, for a lack of better words, vote for the party that has pity on him. Are they not capable of forming their own thought?

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No one knew who these nut jobs were before liberals gave them the spot light.

Steve Bannon and Breitbart were the first I heard of them well before the liberal media brought them up. In truth, they shouldn't have the word "right" in their name. They are rebranded white supremacists, plain and simple. But the the party did nothing to prevent them from coming under the tent. What does that say?

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Just to be fair and balanced, I have to say, the same thing happened 8 years ago on the other side.


"Obama is a socialist Kenyan Muslim who is out to take our guns and redistribute the wealth."

Except he did make a play for the guns and damn it he redistributed a pretty large amount of wealth......


It's not chicken little when it really happens right?

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Steve Bannon and Breitbart were the first I heard of them well before the liberal media brought them up. In truth, they shouldn't have the word "right" in their name. They are rebranded white supremacists, plain and simple. But the the party did nothing to prevent them from coming under the tent. What does that say?

 

Who is "the party"? Why are they responsible for all behavior? People, on this forum, are telling you they're idiots.

 

Again, where is your outrage for similar groups on the left?

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So I got tired of hearing about this alt right and how bannon is this nazi in disguise. He came out and said he stands against the neo-nazi faction that is amoung the alt right. He said his site biebart is essential a news site with w message board that non-esrablishment conservatives migrate to. Basically the anthesis of neoconservatives that are war Hawks like the Bushes. So are libertarians now neo-nazi since they are mushed into this alternate right?


Bottom line a guy makes a news site he's responsible for the content they create but not the message board side of things! To my knowledge biebart hasn't posted anything suggesting he's anti-Semitic.

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And just who was running the country when your Messiah was golfing, doing NCAA brackets, and groveling about how bad the US is?

 

And just what were you drinking when you got it into your head Obama was my Messiah?

 

Anyway, find me a President who never had leisure time. Even tweeting while on the toilet qualifies.

 

If that's the best reply you have, it can only mean you have no defense to offer for criticism of your boy Donald.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Steve Bannon and Breitbart were the first I heard of them well before the liberal media brought them up. In truth, they shouldn't have the word "right" in their name. They are rebranded white supremacists, plain and simple. But the the party did nothing to prevent them from coming under the tent. What does that say?

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Now, tell us how he didn't use strong enough words, or that he really didn't mean it....we'll be waiting.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

The alt-right is a legitimate movement.  It would be inaccurate for anyone to say otherwise.  That doesn't mean people have heard of it, though.

 

Because it is such a new phenomenon, people don't really know much about it.  As of right now, there is no clear way to define it.  I think the best way to describe it is an "anti-left" movement.  They don't have a core ideology.  They aren't conservatives.  In fact, many of them are millennials who have grown tired of progressives pushing a globalist, conformist agenda.  If there are any defining characteristics of the alt-right, it's that they favor nationalism over globalism, and they believe Western culture is valuable, especially freedom of speech.  

 

As you can see, this creates a platform for white supremacists: they are free to say what they want, and it's easy to replace Western culture with white culture.  However, they are a small minority, and largely disavowed by the alt-right (yet the alt-right still supports their right to say it).

 

It is in the interest of the left, and therefore the press, to paint the entire movement with the broad brush of racism, (since, as previously mentioned, the alt-right is essentially anti-left), but that would be misleading.  The white supremacists among the alt-right are essentially no different than the BLM activists among the progressives, in that you can't say all people on the alt-right are white supremacists, just like you can't say all progressives are BLM activists.  You could make the case that both "radical" groups are enabled by their respective counterparts.  

 

That said, I do think there is a danger that white nationalism could become more prominent if it is not curbed by the less extreme leaders of the alt-right, especially as white nationalist leaders are becoming emboldened by a new found freedom to express their ideas to a potentially emerging audience.  Likewise, the left needs to stop trying to paint everyone associated with it as "racist."  The more that term gets used towards people who are not racist, the more likely they are to become numb to the idea. 

 

All in all, it's just more evidence that the left and right are becoming more polarized.  

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Who denied it was a real thing?

 

You expect people to come out and say something stupid is stupid. People already know their stupid.

 

Do you get this upset with the Black Panthers do their thing?

 

 

Now we must protest as you protest? No one knew who these nut jobs were before liberals gave them the spot light. 

 

 

Only liberals can get away with telling a black man that he's (essentially) blind to vote conservative. That he should, for a lack of better words, vote for the party that has pity on him. Are they not capable of forming their own thought?

They are capable of forming their own thoughts and most minorities vote liberal. The condescension towards minorities who vote liberal probably plays a significant roll in their continuing to do so. 

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And just who was running the country when your Messiah was golfing, doing NCAA brackets, and groveling about how bad the US is?

The lack of self awareness in this post is delicious. 

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They are capable of forming their own thoughts and most minorities vote liberal. The condescension towards minorities who vote liberal probably plays a significant roll in their continuing to do so. 

 

This is a first for me. 

 

Conservatives, if anything, don't try to appeal to minorities because of their continued voting record. Not sure how they're condescending toward them about it though. 

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This is a first for me. 

 

Conservatives, if anything, don't try to appeal to minorities because of their continued voting record. Not sure how they're condescending toward them about it though. 

I might not have been clear enough. The notion pushed forward that minorities vote democrat because they get handouts. That's the condescension I am talking about. 

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The predominant reason conservatives are rejected are because of hatred towards them due to being demagogued by the left.

 

It's like asking someone if they've stopped beating their wife.  It doesn't deserve a response because the entire premise is false.

 

It takes two for reconciliation.  The right will be blasted by the left no matter what, to keep up false impressions.  It's not a winnable fight when there's zero intention of coming together from the opposite side.

 

We see it daily against Trump now that he won.  Some folks are content with never changing, never growing, never truly progressing.  Not just content, but dedicated to the divide - and I'm not talking about the right...

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Yes if only those evil dems had not made up the southern strategy or if they had not forced the right to vilify entire groups of people. The party of "personal responsibility" just can't admit they have been openly hostile to large swaths of Americans and just have to blame it on someone else. Always the other. 

 

The endless hypocrisy is old. 

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Now, tell us how he didn't use strong enough words, or that he really didn't mean it....we'll be waiting.

It's cute that you posted this after you gave me a warning for the most bull [BLEEP] reason ever and caused my profile to be suspended.


With this guy, the running theme is always going to be what he said last, even if it contradicts things that were said previously. He can say whatever he wants today and it erases what he said yesterday.


Like when Steve Bannon said Breitbart was "the platform for the Alt-Right." Now that he is in a position of greater influence with a bigger spotlight, he can direct Trump to say something different and who can possibly question him, right? It's not as if Trump has flip flopped on every topic that there is right? That would make people enormous suckers.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

It's cute that you posted this after you gave me a warning for the most bull [BAD WORD REMOVED] reason ever and caused my profile to be suspended.

With this guy, the running theme is always going to be what he said last, even if it contradicts things that were said previously. He can say whatever he wants today and it erases what he said yesterday.

Like when Steve Bannon said Breitbart was "the platform for the Alt-Right." Now that he is in a position of greater influence with a bigger spotlight, he can direct Trump to say something different and who can possibly question him, right? It's not as if Trump has flip flopped on every topic that there is right? That would make people enormous suckers.

I did not give you a warning, you need to check your facts.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

The predominant reason conservatives are rejected are because of hatred towards them due to being demagogued by the left.

 

It's like asking someone if they've stopped beating their wife.  It doesn't deserve a response because the entire premise is false.

 

It takes two for reconciliation.  The right will be blasted by the left no matter what, to keep up false impressions.  It's not a winnable fight when there's zero intention of coming together from the opposite side.

 

We see it daily against Trump now that he won.  Some folks are content with never changing, never growing, never truly progressing.  Not just content, but dedicated to the divide - and I'm not talking about the right...

This post aged extremely well, particularly with recent events.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."