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#21

(07-04-2017, 02:10 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(07-03-2017, 09:42 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: Why bother? I certainly don't take anything that Trump states as gospel. Do you have a link to a reputable person blaming Obama?

Also, you shouldn't link to a fake news site that people can't even read without disabling Adblock.

Oh, ok...you're going to play the fake news card because you disagree with facts. Are you ok with Faux News?

I really applaud your effort in continuing to try to talk sense to the Breitbart southern annex crowd. You are an inspiration to us all.
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#22

(07-06-2017, 12:58 PM)boudreaumw Wrote:
(07-04-2017, 02:10 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Oh, ok...you're going to play the fake news card because you disagree with facts. Are you ok with Faux News?

I really applaud your effort in continuing to try to talk sense to the Breitbart southern annex crowd. You are an inspiration to us all.

Nothing like a tolerant lib tossing regional bigotry into the discussion.  I know, it's okay because your political viewpoint shrouds you from being a bigot, right?
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#23

(07-01-2017, 04:40 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(07-01-2017, 01:43 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we still have sanctions against Russia. If that's "nothing" what else do you suggest, declaring war? 

I doubt that Russia was the only country that tried to interfere in our election. Obama interfered in the Israeli election, so it's not as if meddling in other country's elections is unusual, even between allies.

And did Russia actually interfere? Their attempts at hacking the voting machines failed. The only thing anyone can point to is hacking the DNC server and thus revealing the embarrassing truth that the DNC conspired to keep Bernie from winning (assuming that was even Russia, Assange says otherwise). The effect of that was insignificant compared to the money spent by foreigners.

If there was nothing to it, why is Obama criticized for doing nothing about it?

There is nothing to it as far as linking Trump or any of his minions to Russian tampering in the election.  That's pretty clear by now.

That doesn't mean there's nothing to the Russian tampering story.  The Obama administration (according to that right wing icon in the media, The Washington Post) was acutely aware of the tampering that was being attempted.  Obama was so paralyzed by the potential political ramifications, that they did nothing to respond or retaliate for the tampering despite having multiple plans offered up by members of his administration to do just that.  He chose to sit on his hands and issue weak sanctions and a couple of stern finger wags to Putin.  They figured they would have a Clinton administration that would deal with it once the election was over.  That inaction by the administration allowed this story to fester, all because he was concerned about how it would look politically.  He deserves criticism despite the fawning article WaPo put out trying to portray him as the tortured hero.
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#24

(07-06-2017, 01:30 PM)FBT Wrote:
(07-01-2017, 04:40 PM)rollerjag Wrote: If there was nothing to it, why is Obama criticized for doing nothing about it?

There is nothing to it as far as linking Trump or any of his minions to Russian tampering in the election.  That's pretty clear by now.

That doesn't mean there's nothing to the Russian tampering story.  The Obama administration (according to that right wing icon in the media, The Washington Post) was acutely aware of the tampering that was being attempted.  Obama was so paralyzed by the potential political ramifications, that they did nothing to respond or retaliate for the tampering despite having multiple plans offered up by members of his administration to do just that.  He chose to sit on his hands and issue weak sanctions and a couple of stern finger wags to Putin.  They figured they would have a Clinton administration that would deal with it once the election was over.  That inaction by the administration allowed this story to fester, all because he was concerned about how it would look politically.  He deserves criticism despite the fawning article WaPo put out trying to portray him as the tortured hero.

They're lefties, to them "Russia tampered with the election" is logically the same as "Russia colluded with Trump personally to tamper with the election."

Damn shame we know it was Shrill Dog's team who Russia already bought and paid for.
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#25
(This post was last modified: 07-07-2017, 06:21 PM by homebiscuit.)

I'm simply amazed even Democrats are giving the MSM a shred of credibility anymore. The lie they sold before the election, and now the fake collusion story, only underscores their willingness to sacrifice truth for ideology. But then again, when they're telling their audience what they want to hear instead of what they should hear, how can they lose? It's no longer news, just hate-driven storytelling.

Tell us more about those tax returns, Rachel.
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#26

(07-06-2017, 01:30 PM)FBT Wrote:
(07-01-2017, 04:40 PM)rollerjag Wrote: If there was nothing to it, why is Obama criticized for doing nothing about it?

There is nothing to it as far as linking Trump or any of his minions to Russian tampering in the election.  That's pretty clear by now.

That doesn't mean there's nothing to the Russian tampering story.  The Obama administration (according to that right wing icon in the media, The Washington Post) was acutely aware of the tampering that was being attempted.  Obama was so paralyzed by the potential political ramifications, that they did nothing to respond or retaliate for the tampering despite having multiple plans offered up by members of his administration to do just that.  He chose to sit on his hands and issue weak sanctions and a couple of stern finger wags to Putin.  They figured they would have a Clinton administration that would deal with it once the election was over.  That inaction by the administration allowed this story to fester, all because he was concerned about how it would look politically.  He deserves criticism despite the fawning article WaPo put out trying to portray him as the tortured hero.

Are we to believe that if Obama had acted more forcibly, the right would not have lost their minds complaining about his motives?

Trump's reluctance to accept the truth about Russian interference is equally troubling. At least he brought it up with Putin today.
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#27

(07-07-2017, 07:41 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(07-06-2017, 01:30 PM)FBT Wrote: There is nothing to it as far as linking Trump or any of his minions to Russian tampering in the election.  That's pretty clear by now.

That doesn't mean there's nothing to the Russian tampering story.  The Obama administration (according to that right wing icon in the media, The Washington Post) was acutely aware of the tampering that was being attempted.  Obama was so paralyzed by the potential political ramifications, that they did nothing to respond or retaliate for the tampering despite having multiple plans offered up by members of his administration to do just that.  He chose to sit on his hands and issue weak sanctions and a couple of stern finger wags to Putin.  They figured they would have a Clinton administration that would deal with it once the election was over.  That inaction by the administration allowed this story to fester, all because he was concerned about how it would look politically.  He deserves criticism despite the fawning article WaPo put out trying to portray him as the tortured hero.

Are we to believe that if Obama had acted more forcibly, the right would not have lost their minds complaining about his motives?

Trump's reluctance to accept the truth about Russian interference is equally troubling. At least he brought it up with Putin today.

Some would have, but not all, and that should be completely irrelevant.  It's called doing the right thing.  If a nation state is legitimately trying to tamper with an election, that warrants a response far more forceful than a limp wristed finger wag and some weak sanctions.  He did nothing because he thought Hillary could deal with it once she won.  Someone threw a wrench in their fantasy plan.

Trump recognizes that there's a possibility that there was probably more than just Russia tampering with the election.  He also understands that for all the outrage the democrats are faking now, the reality is that tampering happens in every election, and the United States is just as guilty as any other nation.  Look at the last Israeli elections as an example.  Obama actually sent his political operatives to help the campaign against Netanyahu.  As far as I'm concerned, the fact that Trump brought it up multiple times with Putin yesterday shows pretty clearly that he was only reluctant to say anything to the media about what he believed transpired.  

Had he lost the election, nobody would be crying about Russian interference, especially knowing how Clinton pretty much laid out spread eagle for anyone willing to pump enough money into he campaign coffers and her family slush fund regardless of who they were or what they represented.  This is only an issue because, despite all of the foreign investments made in her being the next president, she ended up wandering the woods of Chapaqua looking for unsuspecting hikers in need of a photo bomb.
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#28
(This post was last modified: 07-10-2017, 10:04 AM by The Real Marty.)

(07-08-2017, 04:20 PM)FBT Wrote:
(07-07-2017, 07:41 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Are we to believe that if Obama had acted more forcibly, the right would not have lost their minds complaining about his motives?

Trump's reluctance to accept the truth about Russian interference is equally troubling. At least he brought it up with Putin today.

Some would have, but not all, and that should be completely irrelevant.  It's called doing the right thing.  If a nation state is legitimately trying to tamper with an election, that warrants a response far more forceful than a limp wristed finger wag and some weak sanctions.  He did nothing because he thought Hillary could deal with it once she won.  Someone threw a wrench in their fantasy plan.

Trump recognizes that there's a possibility that there was probably more than just Russia tampering with the election.  He also understands that for all the outrage the democrats are faking now, the reality is that tampering happens in every election, and the United States is just as guilty as any other nation.  Look at the last Israeli elections as an example.  Obama actually sent his political operatives to help the campaign against Netanyahu.  As far as I'm concerned, the fact that Trump brought it up multiple times with Putin yesterday shows pretty clearly that he was only reluctant to say anything to the media about what he believed transpired.  

Had he lost the election, nobody would be crying about Russian interference, especially knowing how Clinton pretty much laid out spread eagle for anyone willing to pump enough money into he campaign coffers and her family slush fund regardless of who they were or what they represented.  This is only an issue because, despite all of the foreign investments made in her being the next president, she ended up wandering the woods of Chapaqua looking for unsuspecting hikers in need of a photo bomb.

I agree with the underlined parts.  

I think if the media wants to keep talking about Russian interference in the election, they should also spell out exactly how that interference occurred.   If it was the Russians feeding damaging information about Clinton to the Trump campaign, then we should ask ourselves, what would Clinton have done if the shoe was on the other foot?   Probably the same thing Trump did.  

On the other hand, if it was the Russians  meeting with key players on the Trump campaign and colluding on a plan that would help Trump win the election, that's pretty close to being out of bounds in my opinion.   What would have been the right thing to do?  If the Russians informed the Trump campaign that they had damaging information about Hillary Clinton, again this is just my opinion and some people may disagree, but the right thing to do would be to tell them to send it to the media and not to the Trump campaign. 

Now we are getting reports that the top officials in the Trump campaign met with a Russian lawyer who is closely tied to the Kremlin.   The smoke is getting thicker.  Even though Donald Trump Jr has now admitted the meeting took place, if all you read is Fox News, you don't hear much about it. 

Beyond hacking and releasing true but damaging information, if the Russians spread false news items as some have alleged and the Trump campaign knew about it and helped them do it, that would be pretty close to treason.  We don't know the answer to that yet.   All we really know is the Russians interfered in our election.   Even Trump says so.    

One thing I am sure of- in the next Presidential election, both sides will be trying to hack the other side's emails and everything else, looking for damaging information, and both sides, if they are smart, will tell their operatives that from now on, any sensitive information that they don't want published should be verbal only.  If I were running a campaign, I would tell everyone, if you get your email hacked and anything comes out that shouldn't, you will be fired.   The way the Mafia handles this stuff is they take a walk.   They don't talk about anything important unless they are talking about it while walking down the sidewalk with their hand over their mouth so no one can read their lips.   All the super secret campaign stuff needs to go low-tech, so it can't be hacked or wiretapped.  

The only answer to all this stuff is to adapt to it, because it isn't going to go away.  Hacking is going to be part of the game from how on, and everyone had better start doing it, or they will be at a severe disadvantage.
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#29
(This post was last modified: 07-10-2017, 10:39 AM by MalabarJag.)

"Now we are getting reports that the top officials in the Trump campaign met with a Russian lawyer who is closely tied to the Kremlin.   The smoke is getting thicker.  Even though Donald Trump Jr has now admitted the meeting took place, if all you read is Fox News, you don't hear much about it. "

Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer. Pretty much everyone with money or connections to money in Russia is "closely tied to the Kremlin" and Trump does business with Russians and other foreigners, so that alone is insignificant, just the NYT making a big deal about nothing. The NYT has flat out lied previously just to make Trump look bad, so it's not a reputable source for analysis on the subject.

And think about this: if the Russian government was able to successfully hack US computers, why would they risk sending some low level lawyer to collude with the campaign of a candidate who was believed to have no chance of winning? That's not to mention that Putin would be better off with Hillary as POTUS. 

The Russian hacking would have been to disrupt and spread doubt about the election, not to put Trump in office. And thanks to the actions of the NYT and other leftist US media, they seem to have succeeded.

"Beyond hacking and releasing true but damaging information, if the Russians spread false news items as some have alleged and the Trump campaign knew about it and helped them do it, that would be pretty close to treason."

You mean like the false story about golden showers that the Clinton campaign colluded with a foreign spy to produce?



                                                                          

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#30

With the Mueller investigation about to wrap up a nothing burger, it's nice to look back and see we've ended exactly where we started.

Nothing but empty, wishful thinking by those who thought they had a slam dunk victory - who actually got dunked on.

Instead of being angry at the media and others who mislead them and lied to them about the facts, they remain angry at the man who won fair and square.

Instead of self-reflecting, admitting fault, and using that as medicine for self-improvement... they've doubled down, tripled down, and careened off into delusion, anger, and hatred.

There's still time to return to sanity. It all starts with one step. Then another, and another...

Just like an addiction or weight loss... the problem didn't happen overnight. It can't possibly be fixed overnight.

WE the people. You can come back whenever you chose.

Or, remain in the self induced fog.

Your choice.
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#31

(03-06-2019, 09:20 PM)pirkster Wrote: With the Mueller investigation about to wrap up a nothing burger, it's nice to look back and see we've ended exactly where we started.

Nothing but empty, wishful thinking by those who thought they had a slam dunk victory - who actually got dunked on.

Instead of being angry at the media and others who mislead them and lied to them about the facts, they remain angry at the man who won fair and square.

Instead of self-reflecting, admitting fault, and using that as medicine for self-improvement... they've doubled down, tripled down, and careened off into delusion, anger, and hatred.

There's still time to return to sanity.  It all starts with one step.  Then another, and another...

Just like an addiction or weight loss... the problem didn't happen overnight.  It can't possibly be fixed overnight.

WE the people.  You can come back whenever you chose.

Or, remain in the self induced fog.

Your choice.

Pot, meet kettle.
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#32

(03-06-2019, 09:34 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(03-06-2019, 09:20 PM)pirkster Wrote: With the Mueller investigation about to wrap up a nothing burger, it's nice to look back and see we've ended exactly where we started.

Nothing but empty, wishful thinking by those who thought they had a slam dunk victory - who actually got dunked on.

Instead of being angry at the media and others who mislead them and lied to them about the facts, they remain angry at the man who won fair and square.

Instead of self-reflecting, admitting fault, and using that as medicine for self-improvement... they've doubled down, tripled down, and careened off into delusion, anger, and hatred.

There's still time to return to sanity.  It all starts with one step.  Then another, and another...

Just like an addiction or weight loss... the problem didn't happen overnight.  It can't possibly be fixed overnight.

WE the people.  You can come back whenever you chose.

Or, remain in the self induced fog.

Your choice.

Pot, meet kettle.

Mikesez, meet Non Sequiter.
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#33

These people are insane. They are literally citing the president using the term "witch hunt" as proof that he obstructed Justice and committed an impeachable offense. This isn't some cook back bencher, this is the head of the House Judiciary Committee.

I am all for playing hardball. I'll even go for playing a little dirty. What the house is doing to anyone even tangentially associated with the Trump Campaign (the cost of legal representation just to testify before congress.) is unconscionable. This isn't so much about actual impeachment. I think that it is more likely that this is about destroying the Warmaking capability of the republican party. Who is going to go out and work for a GOP campaign when your entire life can be destroyed for no reason WHEN YOUR GUY WINS!
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(This post was last modified: 03-07-2019, 07:32 AM by mikesez.)

(03-07-2019, 02:52 AM)jj82284 Wrote: These people are insane.  They are literally citing the president using the term "witch hunt" as proof that he obstructed Justice and committed an impeachable offense.  This isn't some cook back bencher, this is the head of the House Judiciary Committee.  

I am all for playing hardball.  I'll even go for playing a little dirty.  What the house is doing to anyone even tangentially associated with the Trump Campaign (the cost of legal representation just to testify before congress.) is unconscionable.  This isn't so much about actual impeachment.  I think that it is more likely that this is about destroying the Warmaking capability of the republican party.  Who is going to go out and work for a GOP campaign when your entire life can be destroyed for no reason WHEN YOUR GUY WINS!

I'm sure most of them are getting offers of legal representation pro bono. There are many law firms in the beltway that would love to burnish as their credentials as conservatives by getting their names associated with this. most of them are probably paying a nominal fee just so they can have some assurance that their lawyer will show up on time, but most of them are paying nowhere near full price for a lawyer.
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#35

(03-07-2019, 07:31 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(03-07-2019, 02:52 AM)jj82284 Wrote: These people are insane.  They are literally citing the president using the term "witch hunt" as proof that he obstructed Justice and committed an impeachable offense.  This isn't some cook back bencher, this is the head of the House Judiciary Committee.  

I am all for playing hardball.  I'll even go for playing a little dirty.  What the house is doing to anyone even tangentially associated with the Trump Campaign (the cost of legal representation just to testify before congress.) is unconscionable.  This isn't so much about actual impeachment.  I think that it is more likely that this is about destroying the Warmaking capability of the republican party.  Who is going to go out and work for a GOP campaign when your entire life can be destroyed for no reason WHEN YOUR GUY WINS!

I'm sure most of them are getting offers of legal representation pro bono. There are many law firms in the beltway that would love to burnish as their credentials as conservatives by getting their names associated with this. most of them are probably paying a nominal fee just so they can have some assurance that their lawyer will show up on time, but most of them are paying nowhere near full price for a lawyer.

Gosh, that makes it all better then.
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#36

(06-26-2017, 03:06 PM)Dakota Wrote: When the dust settles, the left will likely rue the day that they kept these allegations alive because they're spinning back to the pre-election times when actual real crimes took place. I don't think it will be President trump facing a prosecutor. It will be many members of the left.

Oh wow ... that caught me of guard. First time I entered this thread. Sad
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#37

(03-06-2019, 09:20 PM)pirkster Wrote: With the Mueller investigation about to wrap up a nothing burger, it's nice to look back and see we've ended exactly where we started.

Nothing but empty, wishful thinking by those who thought they had a slam dunk victory - who actually got dunked on.

Instead of being angry at the media and others who mislead them and lied to them about the facts, they remain angry at the man who won fair and square.

Instead of self-reflecting, admitting fault, and using that as medicine for self-improvement... they've doubled down, tripled down, and careened off into delusion, anger, and hatred.

There's still time to return to sanity.  It all starts with one step.  Then another, and another...

Just like an addiction or weight loss... the problem didn't happen overnight.  It can't possibly be fixed overnight.

WE the people.  You can come back whenever you chose.

Or, remain in the self induced fog.

Your choice.

I haven't seen any evidence of collusion by Trump himself.   There seems to be growing evidence of collusion by the people around him.   There's also the opinion of all of our intelligence agencies that the Russians were engaged in a major covert operation attempting to influence our election in Trump's favor.  

It kind of begs the question, why do so many people who were in the Trump campaign or involved with Trump decide to lie to the FBI and the Special Counsel?   And why does Trump constantly scream bloody murder about the investigation?  If he would just say, and only in response to a question, "I don't care, I have nothing to hide." and leave it at that, we wouldn't be paying so much attention.  This is where Trump's lack of political experience hurts him.  An experienced politician would not be making himself  look so guilty.  

As for the Mueller investigation being "a big nothing burger," we have yet to see the report, and so far there have been multiple convictions and jail sentences for people who were in the Trump campaign.  Again, I attribute some of this to Trump's lack of political experience.   He didn't have a surrounding cast of political operatives who had been with him for years, so he had to scramble to get people around him to fill roles in the campaign, and he wound up with some people who didn't understand how to stay out of trouble.
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#38

(03-07-2019, 07:31 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(03-07-2019, 02:52 AM)jj82284 Wrote: These people are insane.  They are literally citing the president using the term "witch hunt" as proof that he obstructed Justice and committed an impeachable offense.  This isn't some cook back bencher, this is the head of the House Judiciary Committee.  

I am all for playing hardball.  I'll even go for playing a little dirty.  What the house is doing to anyone even tangentially associated with the Trump Campaign (the cost of legal representation just to testify before congress.) is unconscionable.  This isn't so much about actual impeachment.  I think that it is more likely that this is about destroying the Warmaking capability of the republican party.  Who is going to go out and work for a GOP campaign when your entire life can be destroyed for no reason WHEN YOUR GUY WINS!

I'm sure most of them are getting offers of legal representation pro bono. There are many law firms in the beltway that would love to burnish as their credentials as conservatives by getting their names associated with this. most of them are probably paying a nominal fee just so they can have some assurance that their lawyer will show up on time, but most of them are paying nowhere near full price for a lawyer.

Tell general Flynn that.
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#39

(03-07-2019, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(03-06-2019, 09:20 PM)pirkster Wrote: With the Mueller investigation about to wrap up a nothing burger, it's nice to look back and see we've ended exactly where we started.

Nothing but empty, wishful thinking by those who thought they had a slam dunk victory - who actually got dunked on.

Instead of being angry at the media and others who mislead them and lied to them about the facts, they remain angry at the man who won fair and square.

Instead of self-reflecting, admitting fault, and using that as medicine for self-improvement... they've doubled down, tripled down, and careened off into delusion, anger, and hatred.

There's still time to return to sanity.  It all starts with one step.  Then another, and another...

Just like an addiction or weight loss... the problem didn't happen overnight.  It can't possibly be fixed overnight.

WE the people.  You can come back whenever you chose.

Or, remain in the self induced fog.

Your choice.

I haven't seen any evidence of collusion by Trump himself.   There seems to be growing evidence of collusion by the people around him.   There's also the opinion of all of our intelligence agencies that the Russians were engaged in a major covert operation attempting to influence our election in Trump's favor.  

It kind of begs the question, why do so many people who were in the Trump campaign or involved with Trump decide to lie to the FBI and the Special Counsel?   And why does Trump constantly scream bloody murder about the investigation?  If he would just say, and only in response to a question, "I don't care, I have nothing to hide." and leave it at that, we wouldn't be paying so much attention.  This is where Trump's lack of political experience hurts him.  An experienced politician would not be making himself  look so guilty.  

As for the Mueller investigation being "a big nothing burger," we have yet to see the report, and so far there have been multiple convictions and jail sentences for people who were in the Trump campaign.  Again, I attribute some of this to Trump's lack of political experience.   He didn't have a surrounding cast of political operatives who had been with him for years, so he had to scramble to get people around him to fill roles in the campaign, and he wound up with some people who didn't understand how to stay out of trouble.

Not only his lack of political experience, but also his needlessly provocative rhetoric from the beginning.

There were campaign operatives out there with better credentials than Lewandowski and Manafort.  But when you open with, "Mexicans who come here are rapists and traffickers" suddenly the good people of the world would rather not work for or with you.  Even if they could stomach the rhetoric personally, many did not believe he would win.  They had read for four years that cuddling up to Hispanic voters was the only winning strategy in the electoral college. And they believed that he would take down their careers with him when he lost.
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#40

(03-07-2019, 08:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(03-06-2019, 09:20 PM)pirkster Wrote: With the Mueller investigation about to wrap up a nothing burger, it's nice to look back and see we've ended exactly where we started.

Nothing but empty, wishful thinking by those who thought they had a slam dunk victory - who actually got dunked on.

Instead of being angry at the media and others who mislead them and lied to them about the facts, they remain angry at the man who won fair and square.

Instead of self-reflecting, admitting fault, and using that as medicine for self-improvement... they've doubled down, tripled down, and careened off into delusion, anger, and hatred.

There's still time to return to sanity.  It all starts with one step.  Then another, and another...

Just like an addiction or weight loss... the problem didn't happen overnight.  It can't possibly be fixed overnight.

WE the people.  You can come back whenever you chose.

Or, remain in the self induced fog.

Your choice.

I haven't seen any evidence of collusion by Trump himself.   There seems to be growing evidence of collusion by the people around him.   There's also the opinion of all of our intelligence agencies that the Russians were engaged in a major covert operation attempting to influence our election in Trump's favor.  

It kind of begs the question, why do so many people who were in the Trump campaign or involved with Trump decide to lie to the FBI and the Special Counsel?   And why does Trump constantly scream bloody murder about the investigation?  If he would just say, and only in response to a question, "I don't care, I have nothing to hide." and leave it at that, we wouldn't be paying so much attention.  This is where Trump's lack of political experience hurts him.  An experienced politician would not be making himself  look so guilty.  

As for the Mueller investigation being "a big nothing burger," we have yet to see the report, and so far there have been multiple convictions and jail sentences for people who were in the Trump campaign.  Again, I attribute some of this to Trump's lack of political experience.   He didn't have a surrounding cast of political operatives who had been with him for years, so he had to scramble to get people around him to fill roles in the campaign, and he wound up with some people who didn't understand how to stay out of trouble.

With Respect, that's just ignorant.  

1.) As to the convictions for "lying" let's play a game.  I am going to electronically mine every communication that you have had for the last 5 years.  I am then going to put you in a room and quiz you on what day and what time you may have sent 1000 or so text messages.  For every one that you get wrong I am going to charge you with a felony and raid your house with 20 FBI agents.  Congress needs to fundamentally change the way that we prosecute "lying"to FBI officials when they know full well that you weren't engaged in any criminal misconduct in the first place and you already provided them with documents to satisfy their inquiry.  

2.) As to political experience, the most tenured seasoned adviser in the Trump Adviser was Manafort.  He was the wise old man that guided Gerald ford through the last potentially contested Republican convention in 1976 when they defeated Ronald Reagan.  He was widely respected in the republican party for his ability to game the delegate system and take as many votes to the convention floor as possible.  The Special Counsel's office picks up a case that had already been declined for prosecution by the DOJ and blows enough smoke to get convictions about accounting based on lobbying activities in Ukraine, nothing to do with Russian Collusion.  As a matter of fact, no conviction or plea in this whole tired affair has ANYTHING TO DO with Russian Collusion.  

3.) You're right its not a nothing burger, this is the greatest violation of American Civil liberties and the rule of law in our lifetime.  

a.) By the letter of the regulation that allowed Mueller's appointment he had to recuse himself.  He had a demonstrable conflict of interest.  The day before his appointment, he was interviewed and rejected for his old Job as FBI director. Rod Rosenstein would be a material witness in any case of obstruction, he should have never been allowed to appoint mueller.  The Deputy director of the FBI who oversaw the Russia investigation from its infancy was married to a woman who received over 700k in campaign donations from Clinton apparatchiks during her run for state senate.   He has subsequently been fired.  Lead Counsel for the FBI Bruce Ohr's wife was being indirectly paid by the DNC to dig up dirt on Trump through perkins quoi and Fusion GPS.  He has since been demoted and removed from his former position.  The lead investigator in the Russian Case and the Clinton E-mail case had to be removed for demonstrable BIAS against the Trump campaign.  He has since been fired.  

b.) The Trump Campaign was the VICTIM of US and international tradecraft.  You have Maltese professors setting up Campaign aids with hot dates and alcohol to get them to make planted, potentially compromising statements.  You have intelligence Assets trying to gain access to the Trump Campaign. You have former US/British intelligence assets being paid by the DNC for op research that gets passed off as credible intel.  You have the FISA court being intentionally deceived by the Director of the FBI, both the current and former deputy Attornies general of the United States of America and the former deputy director of the FBI.  You have a decorated General being questioned under the pretense of a Law that has NEVER been used to successfully prosecute anyone in the history of the United States, at the direction of the disgraced former head of the FBI.  He was told not to have lawyers present by the former Deputy of the FBI.  

4.) In order to make the case against the Trump campaign and exonerate Clinton's conduct as SOS you literally have to rewrite the law.  Julian Assange went on television and in other open sources and stated repeatedly that he had compromising material on the Clinton Campaign and that he would release it.  It is not and has never been a Crime for a campaign to solicit opposition research during an election season, not even from a foreign actor like Assange.  Conversely, you can't pay them, as the Clinton Campaign DID with Christopher Steel.  Attorney Client privilege: When Clinton's e-mails were destroyed while under subpoena the IT professional was asked by the DOJ if he destroyed the information at the behest of Clinton's lawyer.  He asserted Attorney Client privilege because the instructions were given by a lawyer, but he was NOT THE LAWYERS CLIENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Further, Members of Clinton's staff at the SOS office were allowed to sit in as her Pro Bono Counsel during her testimony to Peter Strzok.  (They indicted Manafort for making a phone call to a potential witness) Conversely, Michael Cohen's office was raided looking for dirt on his former client based on allegations of Campaign finance that have already been debunked on their face by former directors of the Federal Elections commission because as Cohen Testified, Trumps been paying off Mistresses for decades!  The Logan act was never meant to apply to the NSA designee and his conversations with his soon to be counterparts.  The Espionage act's specific text plainly lays out a standard of Gross negligence, and the leadership of the FBI and the DOJ went to great lengths to write into the statute that there had to be specific intent.  

What is plainly a crime for the left isn't really a crime and what is plainly legal for the Right just feels wrong so we have to make it a crime.  That's a symptom of systemic bias against conservatism, not someone's political naivete.
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