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Bortles Article: How to Win Without a Quarterback

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Found this interesting. Maybe Caldwell is trying to show he can build a dominate team without the most important position. I think this team would be undefeated with a decent QB, but water is wet and snow is cold right.


https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/10/10...on-manning
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#2

There is also a bit of discussion on this article in this thread.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...542&page=6


They are indeed being creative (and extreme) to find ways to win despite Bortles' wild inconsistencies.

Of course there will be weeks when they won't be able to completely shield themselves from gambling with 20+ passing attempts and that's when it gets interesting. You never know quite how bad Blake will perform in those moments and of course he'll surprise everyone with a game similar to the London game every now and then.

But, heck, if they can keep pounding the rock and the defense can keep forcing turnovers, they absolutely should keep his attempts to a bare minimum. Especially when they are facing a quality pass defense.
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(This post was last modified: 10-10-2017, 05:32 PM by JaguarsWoman.)

(10-10-2017, 05:16 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: Found this interesting. Maybe Caldwell is trying to show he can build a dominant team without the most important position. I think this team would be undefeated with a decent QB, but water is wet and snow is cold right.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/10/10...on-manning

Dave Caldwell wanted a pocket passer and got one. It was Doug Marrone's responsibility to make the offense work with Blake Bortles. John Elway, on the other hoof, drafted the QBs he believed in when the Broncos already had an elite defense. There are similarities, but also major differences in how the teams were constructed.
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(10-10-2017, 05:27 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: There is also a bit of discussion on this article in this thread.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...542&page=6


They are indeed being creative (and extreme)  to find ways to win despite Bortles' wild inconsistencies.

Of course there will be weeks when they won't be able to completely shield themselves from gambling with 20+ passing attempts and that's when it gets interesting. You never know quite how bad Blake will perform in those moments and of course he'll surprise everyone with a game similar to the London game every now and then.

But, heck, if they can keep pounding the rock and the defense can keep forcing turnovers, they absolutely should keep his attempts to a bare minimum. Especially when they are facing a quality pass defense.

But why have a QB that can pull a London now and then? Why handicap your team in the first place? How many QB's have been passed up in free agency and draft that could have helped us? Just doesn't make sense.  Huh
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(10-10-2017, 05:39 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 05:27 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: There is also a bit of discussion on this article in this thread.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...542&page=6


They are indeed being creative (and extreme)  to find ways to win despite Bortles' wild inconsistencies.

Of course there will be weeks when they won't be able to completely shield themselves from gambling with 20+ passing attempts and that's when it gets interesting. You never know quite how bad Blake will perform in those moments and of course he'll surprise everyone with a game similar to the London game every now and then.

But, heck, if they can keep pounding the rock and the defense can keep forcing turnovers, they absolutely should keep his attempts to a bare minimum. Especially when they are facing a quality pass defense.

But why have a QB that can pull a London now and then? Why handicap your team in the first place? How many QB's have been passed up in free agency and draft that could have helped us? Just doesn't make sense.  Huh
He hasn't handicapped us so stop using false narrative because as I last check we do have a winning record and he has something to do with it even if he's not in the main reason for it.
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(10-10-2017, 05:39 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: But why have a QB that can pull a London now and then? Why handicap your team in the first place? How many QBs have been passed up in free agency and draft that could have helped us? Just doesn't make sense.

Even if we signed another QB in free agency, it would still be like the Denver's winning formula: defense carries, offense supports.
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(10-10-2017, 05:29 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 05:16 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: Found this interesting. Maybe Caldwell is trying to show he can build a dominant team without the most important position. I think this team would be undefeated with a decent QB, but water is wet and snow is cold right.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/10/10...on-manning

Dave Caldwell wanted a pocket passer and got one. It was Doug Marrone's responsibility to make the offense work with Blake Bortles. John Elway, on the other hoof, drafted the QBs he believed in when the Broncos already had an elite defense. There are similarities, but also major differences in how the teams were constructed.

1. Who is the pocket passer you're speaking of?
2. Doug Marrone doesn't walk on water and can't turn it into wine.
3. John Elway has a QB that can consistently move the ball down field and doesn't hurt his team.
4. Despite where he drafted a player he puts the best on the field and has brought in real competition, at least.
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(10-10-2017, 05:42 PM)leopold332002 Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 05:39 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: But why have a QB that can pull a London now and then? Why handicap your team in the first place? How many QB's have been passed up in free agency and draft that could have helped us? Just doesn't make sense.  Huh
He hasn't handicapped us so stop using false narrative because as I last check we do have a winning record and he has something to do with it even if he's not in the main reason for it.

You're right Mama Bortles. You little man is the greats QB in all the whole wide world.  Laughing
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(10-10-2017, 05:44 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 05:29 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: Dave Caldwell wanted a pocket passer and got one. It was Doug Marrone's responsibility to make the offense work with Blake Bortles. John Elway, on the other hoof, drafted the QBs he believed in when the Broncos already had an elite defense. There are similarities, but also major differences in how the teams were constructed.

1. Who is the pocket passer you're speaking of?
2. Doug Marrone doesn't walk on water and can't turn it into wine.
3. John Elway has a QB that can consistently move the ball down field and doesn't hurt his team.
4. Despite where he drafted a player he puts the best on the field and has brought in real competition, at least.

1, Blake Bortles
2. I did not say Doug Marrone works miracles.
3. Bortles can move the ball downfield too.
4. Who are you talking about?
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(10-10-2017, 06:10 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 05:44 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: 1. Who is the pocket passer you're speaking of?
2. Doug Marrone doesn't walk on water and can't turn it into wine.
3. John Elway has a QB that can consistently move the ball down field and doesn't hurt his team.
4. Despite where he drafted a player he puts the best on the field and has brought in real competition, at least.

1, Blake Bortles
2. I did not say Doug Marrone works miracles.
3. Bortles can move the ball downfield too.
4. Who are you talking about?
1, Blake Bortles -  Laughing
2. I did not say Doug Marrone works miracles. - But you expect him to?
3. Bortles can move the ball downfield too. - Yes. 1 game and in garbage time.
4. Who are you talking about? A better QB not drafted #3 over all.  Wink
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#11

I was saying I don't expect Doug Marrone to work miracles. If I did I would have predicted a 19-0 record before the season.

Blake Bortles does not just move the ball downfield in garbage time. I have no idea why you say he only did it on one drive.

You did not name a quarterback.
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(10-10-2017, 05:39 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 05:27 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: There is also a bit of discussion on this article in this thread.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...542&page=6


They are indeed being creative (and extreme)  to find ways to win despite Bortles' wild inconsistencies.

Of course there will be weeks when they won't be able to completely shield themselves from gambling with 20+ passing attempts and that's when it gets interesting. You never know quite how bad Blake will perform in those moments and of course he'll surprise everyone with a game similar to the London game every now and then.

But, heck, if they can keep pounding the rock and the defense can keep forcing turnovers, they absolutely should keep his attempts to a bare minimum. Especially when they are facing a quality pass defense.

But why have a QB that can pull a London now and then? Why handicap your team in the first place? How many QB's have been passed up in free agency and draft that could have helped us? Just doesn't make sense.  Huh

It's simple. They wanted to see if he'd ever develop to the point where he'd be able to perform that way 
(the London game)  consistently. 

It would appear now that they have finally come to terms with that probably never happening. 

Personally -- I wanted them to draft a mid round QB last Spring (Peterman or Webb) to take over after the bye week if Bortles flames out.  They were apparently more committed to giving Blake another opportunity.
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(10-10-2017, 06:22 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: I was saying I don't expect Doug Marrone to work miracles. If I did I would have predicted a 19-0 record before the season.

Blake Bortles does not just move the ball downfield in garbage time. I have no idea why you say he only did it on one drive.

You did not name a quarterback.

If you don't expect him to work miracles then why even mention him in the first place? I can't hold him accountable for a bad QB.

I said 1 game not drive. He did good in London, but there no other game where he's done it from start to finish. the win they have where because of the team around him making extraordinary plays.

Do I really need to? (Insert name here)
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(10-10-2017, 06:27 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 05:39 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: But why have a QB that can pull a London now and then? Why handicap your team in the first place? How many QB's have been passed up in free agency and draft that could have helped us? Just doesn't make sense.  Huh

It's simple. They wanted to see if he'd ever develop to the point where he'd be able to perform that way 
(the London game)  consistently. 

It would appear now that they have finally come to terms with that probably never happening. 

Personally -- I wanted them to draft a mid round QB last Spring (Peterman or Webb) to take over after the bye week if Bortles flames out.  They were apparently more committed to giving Blake another opportunity.

I get they wanted to see if he had what it took, but they still should have brought someone in. They had numerous chances and still do.

Bortles hasn't really shown after last season that he was a considerable franchise QB, so the fact they didn't make moves says they are wishful thinkers, too much ego or Bortles has someone family member hostage.

Just like this team is held hostage.
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#15

This is a great article. But lets say the Jaguars actually succeed in accomplishing what this article describes (which is still very unlikely), and other teams try to copy this model. What exactly would the other teams do differently? Teams have been trying to accomplish this for decades.
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(10-10-2017, 06:27 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: If you don't expect him to work miracles then why even mention him in the first place? I can't hold him accountable for a bad QB.

I said 1 game not drive. He did good in London, but there no other game where he's done it from start to finish. the win they have where because of the team around him making extraordinary plays.

Do I really need to? (Insert name here)

It should have been clear to you I was saying Doug Marrone was given the task to make the entire offense productive with Blake Bortles as the QB. Exactly how did you interpret the argument to mean he will miraculously turn Blake into a great QB or whatever?

He did not finish the Ravens game because the entire second half was garbage time.
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(10-10-2017, 06:34 PM)VisitingCobra Wrote: This is a great article.  But lets say the Jaguars actually succeed in accomplishing what this article describes (which is still very unlikely), and other teams try to copy this model.  What exactly would the other teams do differently?  Teams have been trying to accomplish this for decades.

Team either have their guy, signing their guy or drafting their guy. Basically they are trying.

In the last 4 years the Jags have not despite have arguably the biggest reason.
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(10-10-2017, 06:40 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 06:34 PM)VisitingCobra Wrote: This is a great article.  But lets say the Jaguars actually succeed in accomplishing what this article describes (which is still very unlikely), and other teams try to copy this model.  What exactly would the other teams do differently?  Teams have been trying to accomplish this for decades.

Team either have their guy, signing their guy or drafting their guy. Basically they are trying.

In the last 4 years the Jags have not despite have arguably the biggest reason.

In the last four years, we drafted a QB. That left us with no reason to get another one.
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(This post was last modified: 10-10-2017, 06:46 PM by Jaguarrior.)

(10-10-2017, 06:39 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 06:27 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: If you don't expect him to work miracles then why even mention him in the first place? I can't hold him accountable for a bad QB.

I said 1 game not drive. He did good in London, but there no other game where he's done it from start to finish. the win they have where because of the team around him making extraordinary plays.

Do I really need to? (Insert name here)

It should have been clear to you I was saying Doug Marrone was given the task to make the entire offense productive with Blake Bortles as the QB. Exactly how did you interpret the argument to mean he will miraculously turn Blake into a great QB or whatever?

He did not finish the Ravens game because the entire second half was garbage time.

Tasking Doug Marrone to have a productive offense with Bortles is asking the man to perform a miracle. 

Although Bortles does excels in garbage time, I don't see this point of your comment - once again.

(10-10-2017, 06:44 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 06:40 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: Team either have their guy, signing their guy or drafting their guy. Basically they are trying.

In the last 4 years the Jags have not despite have arguably the biggest reason.

In the last four years, we drafted a QB. That left us with no reason to get another one.

You sure about that? Undecided
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(10-10-2017, 05:42 PM)leopold332002 Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 05:39 PM)Jaguarrior Wrote: But why have a QB that can pull a London now and then? Why handicap your team in the first place? How many QB's have been passed up in free agency and draft that could have helped us? Just doesn't make sense.  Huh
He hasn't handicapped us so stop using false narrative because as I last check we do have a winning record and he has something to do with it even if he's not in the main reason for it.

Serious question...have you ever actually watched a jaguars game in the last couple years?  If you have, then I'm just gonna lol. Everyone knows that we are going to trade for a qb, sign a FA qb and or draft a qb next offseason. I think that conflicts with your  false narrative that our qb performance is  satisfactory. We have a winning record because our defense scores more touchdowns than our qb. We have a winning record because we don't let the qb throw more than one pass in a whole half.  We simply can't the throw the ball because of our qb. That's being handicapped. Running backs fight against stacked boxes because bortles is not a threat. That again is an example of being handicapped
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