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QB Lamar Jackson or G Isaiah Wynn


(11-21-2018, 10:55 AM)JNev Wrote:
(11-19-2018, 05:26 PM)JackCity Wrote: He's not going to be rushing that much every game

Even half of that is really really high for a thin QB

He's likely to only average around 10 carries a game with some of them being out of bounds plays. 

Did you see how few times he actually got hit on Sunday?
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RGIII averaged less than 10 carries per game. Only takes one with that frame
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(11-21-2018, 12:11 PM)JNev Wrote: RGIII averaged less than 10 carries per game. Only takes one with that frame

RG rarely ran out of bounds or slid + tons of pocket QBs have had bad injuries too. It's part of the job.  

Lamars injury risks rises a with his runs but as long as he stays out of bounds and slides it's negligible Vs the game breaking ability he has.

Showed some nice pocket ability too.
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RG3 was a better QB coming out
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(11-21-2018, 02:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: RG3 was a better QB coming out

He was, but wasn't a smart runner at all and less experience running pro style concepts
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(11-21-2018, 02:27 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 02:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: RG3 was a better QB coming out

He was, but wasn't a smart runner at all and less experience running pro style concepts

Jackson didnt run that many pro style concepts either and him being a smart runner is still a big question mark
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(11-21-2018, 02:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 02:27 PM)JackCity Wrote: He was, but wasn't a smart runner at all and less experience running pro style concepts

Jackson didnt run that many pro style concepts either and him being a smart runner is still a big question mark

He ran a lot of pro style concepts in college actually, it was a variation of the Erdhart-Perkins. Pro style spread (pro style is spread now). That myth has been debunked. Miles and miles away from what RG3 ran at Baylor. 

Based on everything we have seen Lamar is a very smart runner. Always goes out of bounds/slides/avoids being hit clean. That would be the definition of a smart runner albeit, some gameplans have called for him to run more than most
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(This post was last modified: 11-22-2018, 01:38 PM by JackCity.)

Here a Pats writer shows how Lamar would fit in the Pats offense by showing plays he ran that they use

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.patspulp...ts-offense

http://settingedge.com/lamar-jackson-pro-ready

Here is a breakdown of Petrinos scheme that will show you NFL concepts Lamar was using.

Bruce Arians " he played in a pro style scheme"
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http://www.espn.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/9...ar-jackson

Here is a link showing Petrino changing his tradition offense for Lamar Jackson. It's no secret he changed his offense when Jackson came in.
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(This post was last modified: 11-22-2018, 04:51 PM by JackCity.)

(11-22-2018, 04:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: http://www.espn.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/9...ar-jackson

Here is a link showing Petrino changing his tradition offense for Lamar Jackson.  It's no secret he changed his offense when Jackson came in.

Yes it would be incredibly dumb not to use Jackson as a runner. Even if you have to add certain packages and plays .

Using zone read and designed runs doesn't mean you aren't using pro style concepts in the pass game.  

Try again..

Or , to make it easier for you. What pro style passing concepts did Lamar never use at Louisville?
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(11-22-2018, 04:47 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(11-22-2018, 04:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: http://www.espn.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/9...ar-jackson

Here is a link showing Petrino changing his tradition offense for Lamar Jackson.  It's no secret he changed his offense when Jackson came in.

Yes it would be incredibly dumb not to use Jackson as a runner. Even if you have to add certain packages and plays .

Using zone read and designed runs doesn't mean you aren't using pro style concepts in the pass game.  

Try again..  

Or , to make it easier for you. What pro style passing concepts did Lamar never use at Louisville?

To make it easy, he ran the ball 27 times in his first game.  What pro style offenses has their QB run like that? He is is a run first QB,  that used mostly rpo, other options designed runs, and little sprint out passes  that doesnt go through his reads and inst very accurate.  Can he get better?  Sure, but he has a tall task ahead of him
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I used to like running QBs but I wont ever want another one again unless he has a body like Newton or Tebow
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(11-22-2018, 05:35 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(11-22-2018, 04:47 PM)JackCity Wrote: Yes it would be incredibly dumb not to use Jackson as a runner. Even if you have to add certain packages and plays .

Using zone read and designed runs doesn't mean you aren't using pro style concepts in the pass game.  

Try again..  

Or , to make it easier for you. What pro style passing concepts did Lamar never use at Louisville?

To make it easy, he ran the ball 27 times in his first game.  What pro style offenses has their QB run like that? He is is a run first QB,  that used mostly rpo, other options designed runs, and little sprint out passes  that doesnt go through his reads and inst very accurate.  Can he get better?  Sure, but he has a tall task ahead of him

You said he didn't use many pro style concepts in college. That's demonstrably false.  Which is why I asked you which passing concepts he didn't use at Louisville... 

Yeah he ran the ball a lot in his first game with the ravens. That doesn't mean he wasn't using a lot of pro style concepts in college , which is what we are talking about. The ravens implemented a run heavy offense to make his debut a bit easier for him, he isn't gonna run the ball 27 times a game.  

There is plenty of evidence of him going through multiple reads in college and in his first NFL game.  

And yeah rookies generally are below average QBs , even highly touted ones. All of them have to adjust.
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