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#21

(08-29-2018, 07:44 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(08-29-2018, 07:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: If we ignore the concept of John Q. Public being overly offended entirely   -  It's still an ill-advised choice of words by someone who ought to know better.  Folks absolutely get offended too easily, but there's too much history with this particular inference to just ignore it IMO. 

I mean is that too much political correctness to ask of a politician of any ilk?  "Please don't associate an African American with a monkey while running for public office?"  Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Regarding the first part in bold, yes some people do get "offended" way too easily in today's society.  I put it in quotes because some things are twisted to make it appear offensive even though that wasn't the intent.  I believe that was the case in this "incident" (non-story).

Regarding the second part in bold, DeSantis did not associate his opponent with a monkey with his statement.  The phrase "monkey it up" is a nice way of saying not to [BLEEP] (mess) it up without using profanity and was directed or associated with the voters of Florida not his opponent.

It's not unlike saying Michelle Obama looks like an ape. Not necessarily racist, just incredibly tone deaf.
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#22

(08-29-2018, 01:17 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: DeSantis wins this one by a long shot. Of course unless people want Florida to look like Venezuela.

That depends. Will the ladies look like Venezuelan ladies? If so, I might have to vote for Gillum.
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#23

(08-29-2018, 07:44 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(08-29-2018, 07:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: If we ignore the concept of John Q. Public being overly offended entirely   -  It's still an ill-advised choice of words by someone who ought to know better.  Folks absolutely get offended too easily, but there's too much history with this particular inference to just ignore it IMO. 

I mean is that too much political correctness to ask of a politician of any ilk?  "Please don't associate an African American with a monkey while running for public office?"  Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Regarding the first part in bold, yes some people do get "offended" way too easily in today's society.  I put it in quotes because some things are twisted to make it appear offensive even though that wasn't the intent.  I believe that was the case in this "incident" (non-story).

Regarding the second part in bold, DeSantis did not associate his opponent with a monkey with his statement.  The phrase "monkey it up" is a nice way of saying not to [BLEEP] (mess) it up without using profanity and was directed or associated with the voters of Florida not his opponent.
You make a good point. 
However -  one very obvious interpretation of his comment is "Don't monkey this up... by voting for the black guy." 
That's too close for comfort for me to just dismiss the poor choice, but it's completely possible he meant nothing by it.
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#24

He used the word "monkey" instead of the F-word. He could have used "mess it up" but that's a really weak replacement for "F-word it up."

Who in their right mind would associate African Americans with monkeys? Only the racist Leftist press. Anyone who claims his choice of phrase is a racial slur is either a liar or an idiot. 




                                                                          

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#25

(08-29-2018, 09:19 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: Who in their right mind would associate African Americans with monkeys?

You do know that, historically, "monkey" is one of the most commonly used derogatory terms for African Americans, right?
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#26

When your entire party is built in race-bating, you gotta just roll with it.
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#27

(08-29-2018, 10:03 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: When your entire party is built in race-bating, you gotta just roll with it.

With as many ethics investigations as Gillum has going on, the Democrats are going to need the "DeSantis is a racist" refrain blasting at full volume.
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#28

(08-29-2018, 10:24 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(08-29-2018, 10:03 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: When your entire party is built in race-bating, you gotta just roll with it.

With as many ethics investigations as Gillum has going on, the Democrats are going to need the "DeSantis is a racist" refrain blasting at full volume.

This guy was hand picked by Soros and his goons as the most likely person to push socialism. He shouldn't be taken lightly.
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#29

Do not buy into the whole dog whistle thing. Ultimately, it's just a way for the left to take any benign statement in the most sterile context and turn it into the defect nword.

1.) Trump's polling in the low 30s with African Americans. That's historic in the modern era and could be the foundations of an electoral landslide in 2020 and we saw the beginnings of this in 2016 when he outperformed every ecpectation among blacks and Hispanics. Minority unemployment is at historic lows and black sb ownership is up 400% that's not a typo. Why would they want to monkey that up?

2.) John McCain valiantly accepted this premise and aggressively derided anyone who even mentioned Obama's middle name, let alone criticized him. His reward? He got called George Wallace (Democrat.) Mitt Romney was called racist for adopting a black child!!!! There is no logical solution to a deranged tactic.

3.) We are supposed to believe that using a benign phrase is the dark mantle of racism, but me. Gollum and his ilk have no problem glomming onto the party that seceded to preserve slavery wrote Jim Crow laws practiced segregation and ignored the 13th-15th amendments through a policy of nullification? The rehab job on LBJ alone should let anyone with half an open mind know this is a farce.
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#30
(This post was last modified: 08-30-2018, 08:33 AM by EricC85.)

Up until Trump supporting him Desantis has been an establishment GOP representative. He voted against the motion to unseat Boehner. He voted to continue the NDAA he voted to extend Patriot Act powers and he voted against Fair Tax propositions. I HATE Desantis and if I was a registered Republican would vote Putnam but oh well the GOP goes back to the swamp one more time.

Desantis has never given an imporession policy or statement that hints at racism. He's an establishment guy but he's not a racist. He has had a history of saying stuff at odd times. When he was running for the house representative he said something about immigration that caused a stir I can't remember what time was but it was stupid catch prahse that didn't make any sense.

All that said I'll 100% be voting for him over a socialist. If the Democrats ran a moderate maybe I'd vote against Desantis but they made the choice easy nominating a full blowen socialist that and I quote "wants to bring collectivism to Florida" from his accpetance speach, ha no thanks buddy!

Biggest take away I have from all this is Trump's talk of swamp draining is just campaign talk. He wouldn't have back Desantis if he had any intention of drainging a swamp. Anyone that pays attention to local politics could've told him that. Either he didn't care to research or he didn't care that Desantis is establishment.

(08-30-2018, 08:29 AM)EricC85 Wrote: Up until Trump supporting him Desantis has been an establishment GOP representative. He voted against the motion to unseat Boehner. He voted to continue the NDAA he voted to extend Patriot Act powers and he voted against Fair Tax propositions. I HATE Desantis and if I was a registered Republican would vote Putnam but oh well the GOP goes back to the swamp one more time.

Desantis has never given an impression in policy or statement that hints at racism. He's an establishment guy but he's not a racist. He has had a history of saying stuff at odd times. When he was running for the house representative he said something about immigration that caused a stir I can't remember what time was but it was stupid catch prahse that didn't make any sense.

All that said I'll 100% be voting for him over a socialist. If the Democrats ran a moderate maybe I'd vote against Desantis but they made the choice easy nominating a full blowen socialist that and I quote "wants to bring collectivism to Florida" from his accpetance speach, ha no thanks buddy!

Biggest take away I have from all this is Trump's talk of swamp draining is just campaign talk. He wouldn't have back Desantis if he had any intention of drainging a swamp. Anyone that pays attention to local politics could've told him that. Either he didn't care to research or he didn't care that Desantis is establishment.

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#31
(This post was last modified: 08-30-2018, 10:31 AM by Kane.)

(08-29-2018, 12:57 PM)Kotite Wrote: Will try to make this a racist statement?

When was the last time anyone used the word "monkey" as a verb and it wasn't about race?

Uhh... I say to my kids all the time "stop Monkeying around"
the term or phrase doesn't mean anything racist... it means to not play, or mess around.

And you all know it!

(08-29-2018, 01:12 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: Ron DeSantis = The Boy From Fox, aka Trump's lap dog.

Adam2012 = the kid from the far left, aka Bernie's bed mate

(08-29-2018, 01:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
Quote:Fox News host Sandra Smith said Wednesday that the network did not condone Rep. Ron DeSantis's ® language when he warned voters not to "monkey this up" by voting for his Democratic gubernatorial opponent Andrew Gillum.

DeSantis's remark about Gillum, who would be Florida's first black governor if elected, prompted quick backlash, with the state Democratic Party chair saying he was "launching his general election campaign with racist dog whistles."
“A little while ago, we had Ron DeSantis, the Republican nominee for governor in Florida on for an interview to discuss the Florida election,” Smith said on Fox News’ “America’s Newsroom” before reading a statement from DeSantis's campaign clarifying his earlier remarks.
"We do not condone this language and wanted to make our viewers aware that he has since clarified his statement," she added.

Whatever your take on DeSantis, he's a moron for thinking he could use the term "monkey" whilst referring to a black candidate for office and not get reaction.

The question is, did he actually want this reaction?  I don't know enough about the man to speculate whether or not he's attempting to attract racist voters to his fold or not, but it's an idiotic thing to say if he did it casually, and it's a despicable thing if he did it strategically.

People hear what they want to I suppose...
I never heard him refer to the candidate and monkey as synonyms or similes, or descriptors...

Telling voters to not monkey up the vote is not the same as calling someone a monkey.
Not even close... to feed this idea as even partially sane thought is idiotic to me.

Just another case of how everything and anything someone from the right (speaking as someone from the center) says is "racist".
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#32

(08-29-2018, 09:19 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: He used the word "monkey" instead of the F-word. He could have used "mess it up" but that's a really weak replacement for "F-word it up."

Who in their right mind would associate African Americans with monkeys? Only the racist Leftist press. Anyone who claims his choice of phrase is a racial slur is either a liar or an idiot. 

I agree with the fact that he had not racial intent by his choice of words.

That said, I think anyone believing in Darwinism and the Theory of Evolution believes we all evolved from apes
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#33

(08-30-2018, 10:28 AM)Kane Wrote:
(08-29-2018, 12:57 PM)Kotite Wrote: Will try to make this a racist statement?

When was the last time anyone used the word "monkey" as a verb and it wasn't about race?

Uhh... I say to my kids all the time "stop Monkeying around"
the term or phrase doesn't mean anything racist... it means to not play, or mess around.

And you all know it!

(08-29-2018, 01:12 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: Ron DeSantis = The Boy From Fox, aka Trump's lap dog.

Adam2012 = the kid from the far left, aka Bernie's bed mate

(08-29-2018, 01:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Whatever your take on DeSantis, he's a moron for thinking he could use the term "monkey" whilst referring to a black candidate for office and not get reaction.

The question is, did he actually want this reaction?  I don't know enough about the man to speculate whether or not he's attempting to attract racist voters to his fold or not, but it's an idiotic thing to say if he did it casually, and it's a despicable thing if he did it strategically.

People hear what they want to I suppose...
I never heard him refer to the candidate and monkey as synonyms or similes, or descriptors...

Telling voters to not monkey up the vote is not the same as calling someone a monkey.
Not even close... to feed this idea as even partially sane thought is idiotic to me.


Just another case of how everything and anything someone from the right (speaking as someone from the center) says is "racist".

The semantics and inferences of the statement were already covered previously in the thread after the post you've quoted. 

I think it's a poor choice of words even if the association is a loose one.
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#34
(This post was last modified: 08-30-2018, 11:22 AM by StroudCrowd1.)

Just gonna leave this here...50 second mark.

https://youtu.be/LOpW9DGEPeg?t=50s
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#35

Thank god you left that here.
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#36

(08-30-2018, 10:36 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:
(08-29-2018, 09:19 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: He used the word "monkey" instead of the F-word. He could have used "mess it up" but that's a really weak replacement for "F-word it up."

Who in their right mind would associate African Americans with monkeys? Only the racist Leftist press. Anyone who claims his choice of phrase is a racial slur is either a liar or an idiot. 

I agree with the fact that he had not racial intent by his choice of words.

That said, I think anyone believing in Darwinism and the Theory of Evolution believes we all evolved from apes

Humans didn't evolve from apes. Apes and humans evolved separately from a common ancestor.



                                                                          

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(08-30-2018, 11:39 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Thank god you left that here.

I never miss an opp to call out ignorant hypocrites.
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(08-30-2018, 10:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(08-30-2018, 10:28 AM)Kane Wrote: Uhh... I say to my kids all the time "stop Monkeying around"
the term or phrase doesn't mean anything racist... it means to not play, or mess around.

And you all know it!


Adam2012 = the kid from the far left, aka Bernie's bed mate


People hear what they want to I suppose...
I never heard him refer to the candidate and monkey as synonyms or similes, or descriptors...

Telling voters to not monkey up the vote is not the same as calling someone a monkey.
Not even close... to feed this idea as even partially sane thought is idiotic to me.


Just another case of how everything and anything someone from the right (speaking as someone from the center) says is "racist".

The semantics and inferences of the statement were already covered previously in the thread after the post you've quoted. 

I think it's a poor choice of words even if the association is a loose one.

Semantics?? That implies arguing about the different wording of the same thing. Like the two have the same meaning.
It isn't even close. 

Apparently what you are saying is the word monkey is now off limits to white people.
Because it can be immediately linked to racial remarks?

Like this is really where we are allowing society to take us? Nope. No. nope nope nope.
IDIOTIC.
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#39

(08-30-2018, 12:37 PM)Kane Wrote:
(08-30-2018, 10:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: The semantics and inferences of the statement were already covered previously in the thread after the post you've quoted. 

I think it's a poor choice of words even if the association is a loose one.

Semantics?? That implies arguing about the different wording of the same thing. Like the two have the same meaning.
It isn't even close. 

Apparently what you are saying is the word monkey is now off limits to white people.
Because it can be immediately linked to racial remarks?

Like this is really where we are allowing society to take us? Nope. No. nope nope nope.
IDIOTIC.
Are you really this unaware of the history of this word being used this way and it's racial overtones? 

Interesting. 

Howard Cosell lost his job over it using it in a football broadcast. Though he was MUCH more direct. 

You can elect to turn a blind eye all you like, but if I'm running against a black man in a political race, I'm not going to imply that a vote for my opponent would "monkey it up."  It's just poor judgement given the history of the word's connotation in our society. I'm not demonizing the guy or the word at face value. 

Is it silly?  Yeah, on the surface it is. And, no, of course the word isn't off limits, LOL. But if you're running for public office - you could certainly be smarter about using it than DeSantis was in this instance.
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#40

The people describing this as racist in any fashion are the only ones making an association of a monkey to a black person. The accusation itself is racist in nature. The accuser is the one making the association, therefore putting on display their own mindset. Just idiotic is what it is.

Damn team can't be the Redskins, The Frito bandito was obviously a racist commercial against the Mexicans and now cannot use the word monkey without becoming a racist. What do I answer a Chinaman if he asks me what color a banana is? If the server at the counter at KFC happens to be black can I still order some friggin fried chicken? C'MON PEOPLE!! I'm going to demand Saltine change the name of their product. Cracker is racist don't ya know?
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