Semantics?? That implies arguing about the different wording of the same thing. Like the two have the same meaning.
It isn't even close. 

Apparently what you are saying is the word monkey is now off limits to white people.
Because it can be immediately linked to racial remarks?

Like this is really where we are allowing society to take us? Nope. No. nope nope nope.
IDIOTIC.

Are you really this unaware of the history of this word being used this way and it's racial overtones? 

Interesting. 

Howard Cosell lost his job over it using it in a football broadcast. Though he was MUCH more direct. 

You can elect to turn a blind eye all you like, but if I'm running against a black man in a political race, I'm not going to imply that a vote for my opponent would "monkey it up."  It's just poor judgement given the history of the word's connotation in our society. I'm not demonizing the guy or the word at face value. 

Is it silly?  Yeah, on the surface it is. And, no, of course the word isn't off limits, LOL. But if you're running for public office - you could certainly be smarter about using it than DeSantis was in this instance.

C'mon... I'm well aware of the instances of people using the word monkey to describe black people.
That ISN'T what happened here and that people are trying to link the two isn't even a reach... it's stupid. 
I'm saying if we're going to let people start policing our words THIS much.... it's a serious problem.

Deciding what someone meant by applying a totally different meaning to what they said is mind-boggling.
Are we really suggesting that anyone, even someone running for public office, has to give pause with every question they are asked... with every statement they make... to think how it might possibly be twisted to offend someone?
Screw that man.

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Are you really this unaware of the history of this word being used this way and it's racial overtones? 

Interesting. 

Howard Cosell lost his job over it using it in a football broadcast. Though he was MUCH more direct. 

You can elect to turn a blind eye all you like, but if I'm running against a black man in a political race, I'm not going to imply that a vote for my opponent would "monkey it up."  It's just poor judgement given the history of the word's connotation in our society. I'm not demonizing the guy or the word at face value. 

Is it silly?  Yeah, on the surface it is. And, no, of course the word isn't off limits, LOL. But if you're running for public office - you could certainly be smarter about using it than DeSantis was in this instance.

C'mon... I'm well aware of the instances of people using the word monkey to describe black people.
That ISN'T what happened here and that people are trying to link the two isn't even a reach... it's stupid. 
I'm saying if we're going to let people start policing our words THIS much.... it's a serious problem.

I get your point. I got it the third time. I got it from the 6 other people that already made it in this thread. 
 But the bolded statement just shows how out of touch you are with the reality of this. It's not starting to happen - it's been happening for decades. People in the public eye are expected to make wiser decisions with this stuff.  
You can bemoan it all you like and call it stupid till the cows come home. It's not going away.

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C'mon... I'm well aware of the instances of people using the word monkey to describe black people.
That ISN'T what happened here and that people are trying to link the two isn't even a reach... it's stupid. 
I'm saying if we're going to let people start policing our words THIS much.... it's a serious problem.

I get your point. I got it the third time. I got it from the 6 other people that already made it in this thread. 
 But the bolded statement just shows how out of touch you are with the reality of this. It's not starting to happen - it's been happening for decades. People in the public eye are expected to make wiser decisions with this stuff.  
You can bemoan it all you like and call it stupid till the cows come home. It's not going away.

It's been happening for decades?
What rock have I been under? I mean... I get it... over the years we've become more and more PC sure. Couldn't say things in the 90's they said in the 70's. Can't say things today we said in the 90's.
But much of that has been evolution of a society becoming more inclusive and less hateful, like ridding ourselves or racist or bigoted words and terms that had become casual language.
But we are talking about inference here. And seriously stretching it. This phenomenon seems very new to me. Perhaps as young as 2 years, give or take a few months.

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C'mon... I'm well aware of the instances of people using the word monkey to describe black people.
That ISN'T what happened here and that people are trying to link the two isn't even a reach... it's stupid. 
I'm saying if we're going to let people start policing our words THIS much.... it's a serious problem.

I get your point. I got it the third time. I got it from the 6 other people that already made it in this thread. 
 But the bolded statement just shows how out of touch you are with the reality of this. It's not starting to happen - it's been happening for decades. People in the public eye are expected to make wiser decisions with this stuff.  
You can bemoan it all you like and call it stupid till the cows come home. It's not going away.

Well people are taking after the commander in chief sooooo.....

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I get your point. I got it the third time. I got it from the 6 other people that already made it in this thread. 
 But the bolded statement just shows how out of touch you are with the reality of this. It's not starting to happen - it's been happening for decades. People in the public eye are expected to make wiser decisions with this stuff.  
You can bemoan it all you like and call it stupid till the cows come home. It's not going away.

Well people are taking after the commander in chief sooooo.....

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He also called Gillum "articulate" in the same breath. Joe Biden had to apologize for using that word to describe a black person in 2007.
We never call white adults "articulate."
Whenever that word gets used in reference to a black adult, we imply that most black adults are not articulate, even though nearly all of them are.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

He also called Gillum "articulate" in the same breath.  Joe Biden had to apologize for using that word to describe a black person in 2007.
We never call white adults "articulate."
Whenever that word gets used in reference to a black adult, we imply that most black adults are not articulate, even though nearly all of them are.

Like, most, like, Americans under, like 30, aren't, even like, articulate. And we called Bush inarticulate all the damn time. Don't even get started on the reaction to niggardly.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

What a buffoon!  On TV this morning he was asked about his challenger, said the guy was clearly the more articulate and better candidate among the Dem primary, even if he was a longshot.  And then said the guy supports all these socialists causes, open border, eliminating ICE and that the people of Florida shouldn't "monkey this up" by putting in a guy with those policies.  

Now I dont know much about DeSantis.  Assuming is a smart guy.  Yale, Harvard Law.  But how in the world do you make a statement like that?  As a conservative in the political arena, the Left will always try to paint you as a racist.  Bush was a racist.  Romney.  Before all these over the top homages, McCain was a racist.  If they caught you sifting out the black jelly beans because you dont like the taste of licorice, it would be your subconscious racism.  And everyone knows this.  So how in the world do you make a slip up like this?  Do you not prepare yourself in the slightest?  

I have no idea if he has any history of racism.  If this is a trend, then it's very possible he is a racist.  If not I suppose you should give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe this is a phrase he uses all the time and had no ill will.  But gimme a break.  What a boob.

I wouldn't vote for him for the simple fact that he bowed down to Marco Rubio. [BLEEP] that guy. Gillum may or may not be the best candidate but he at least has a lot more experience than DeSantis does in the political arena. Tallahassee does have a high crime rate. I'll give Trump that one. That's an easy one though.

But he's been the mayor there for four years. Takes time to clean that [BLEEP] up. And with more growth comes more potential problems. And it's not like Jacksonville (The Murder Capital of Florida at one point for 11 years strong), Tampa, Miami & Orlando are that much better. DeSantis and Scott stand to more than likely be the ones that get promoted politically since we're in a red state now.

But I wouldn't lean towards DeSantis. I could give two [BLEEP] and one [BLEEP] about him being a Jacksonville native as well. Means jack to me.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

If we ignore the concept of John Q. Public being overly offended entirely   -  It's still an ill-advised choice of words by someone who ought to know better.  Folks absolutely get offended too easily, but there's too much history with this particular inference to just ignore it IMO. 

I mean is that too much political correctness to ask of a politician of any ilk?  "Please don't associate an African American with a monkey while running for public office?"  Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Regarding the first part in bold, yes some people do get "offended" way too easily in today's society.  I put it in quotes because some things are twisted to make it appear offensive even though that wasn't the intent.  I believe that was the case in this "incident" (non-story).

Regarding the second part in bold, DeSantis did not associate his opponent with a monkey with his statement.  The phrase "monkey it up" is a nice way of saying not to [BLEEP] (mess) it up without using profanity and was directed or associated with the voters of Florida not his opponent.

I agree that people are easily offended in today's world. No arguments from me there. With that said. DeSantis HAS to know better than that. He just HAS to. That was a very poor choice of words and he could have simply avoided all of this drama by saying "Don't mess it up" or "Don't screw it up". Instead of throwing the word Monkey in there. He could have used SNAFU or FUBAR. He's a Navy guy. He should know that one.

Whether he's truly racist or not doesn't matter at this point though. It's all about public perception. And now he's opened himself up to a bigger microscope of scrutiny.

And by using that one word, even if it was about Floridians voting or harmless in his views or in other's views, he still used it in a way that can can be taken and ran with in a negative light since his opponent is black.

He just gave the left a wide open lane to light his [BLEEP] up in the media. At this point I am led to believe it was intentional.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

This is so easy. For those here that think it isn’t a racist comment; the next time your car breaks down take your car to the biggest black mechanic in town and tell him not to “monkey up” your car like the last mechanic did. Just make sure someone is shooting video so you can post it here for everyone to see.

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Jaguars Fundamentalist

What a buffoon!  On TV this morning he was asked about his challenger, said the guy was clearly the more articulate and better candidate among the Dem primary, even if he was a longshot.  And then said the guy supports all these socialists causes, open border, eliminating ICE and that the people of Florida shouldn't "monkey this up" by putting in a guy with those policies.  

Now I dont know much about DeSantis.  Assuming is a smart guy.  Yale, Harvard Law.  But how in the world do you make a statement like that?  As a conservative in the political arena, the Left will always try to paint you as a racist.  Bush was a racist.  Romney.  Before all these over the top homages, McCain was a racist.  If they caught you sifting out the black jelly beans because you dont like the taste of licorice, it would be your subconscious racism.  And everyone knows this.  So how in the world do you make a slip up like this?  Do you not prepare yourself in the slightest?  

I have no idea if he has any history of racism.  If this is a trend, then it's very possible he is a racist.  If not I suppose you should give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe this is a phrase he uses all the time and had no ill will.  But gimme a break.  What a boob.

I wouldn't vote for him for the simple fact that he bowed down to Marco Rubio. [BLEEP] that guy. Gillum may or may not be the best candidate but he at least has a lot more experience than DeSantis does in the political arena. Tallahassee does have a high crime rate. I'll give Trump that one. That's an easy one though.

But he's been the mayor there for four years. Takes time to clean that [BLEEP] up. And with more growth comes more potential problems. And it's not like Jacksonville (The Murder Capital of Florida at one point for 11 years strong), Tampa, Miami & Orlando are that much better. DeSantis and Scott stand to more than likely be the ones that get promoted politically since we're in a red state now.

But I wouldn't lean towards DeSantis. I could give two [BLEEP] and one [BLEEP] about him being a Jacksonville native as well. Means jack to me.

It takes time to make it good, but four years is more than enough to make it a lot better. If I'm not mistaken, it's the city with the most crime in Florida.

Either way, I don't think he's responsible for making it worse unless he stopped proposals from the local police department. Mayors are largely irrelevant when it comes to crime unless they stop law enforcement from doing what they're supposed to do (which happens sometimes).

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This is so easy. For those here that think it isn’t a racist comment; the next time your car breaks down take your car to the biggest black mechanic in town and tell him not to “monkey up” your car like the last mechanic did. Just make sure someone is shooting video so you can post it here for everyone to see.

So you also (along with mikesez) believe that a willingness to physically assault someone smaller makes a person right.

Did you get that from a Leftist site, or is that just your personal opinion?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

So just so I'm clear about this...

President Obama can talk about politicians "monkeying up elections in the past" and there is nothing wrong with that.

Candidate DeSantis talks about voters not "monkeying up an election" and somehow it's racist?

Candidate DeSantis compliments his opponent by saying that he is articulate and somehow that's racist?  Would it be better if he used the phrase "well spoken" or "gives a clear message"?

What is wrong with people?  It's just a couple of common words/phrases used, nothing more.  Especially when full quotes are taken into context rather than just the phrases themselves.  It's clear that Mr. DeSantis was not making a racist remark at all.  English happens to be my second language growing up and even I can recognize that.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

This is so easy. For those here that think it isn’t a racist comment; the next time your car breaks down take your car to the biggest black mechanic in town and tell him not to “monkey up” your car like the last mechanic did. Just make sure someone is shooting video so you can post it here for everyone to see.

So you also (along with mikesez) believe that a willingness to physically assault someone smaller makes a person right.

Did you get that from a Leftist site, or is that just your personal opinion?

I don’t spend my time on “leftist” sites because I’m to busy working 50+ hours a week in between raising my daughter. Who said anything about physical assault? If the phrase isn’t racist there shouldn’t be any physical assault right?

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Jaguars Fundamentalist

My kid was in his room singing some song about African-Americans jumping on the bed. I had to tell him that wasn't appropriate, we shouldn't laugh when people fall off and bump their heads. Fortunately they were insured so the Doctor could tell them not to jump on the bed any more.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This is so easy. For those here that think it isn’t a racist comment; the next time your car breaks down take your car to the biggest black mechanic in town and tell him not to “monkey up” your car like the last mechanic did. Just make sure someone is shooting video so you can post it here for everyone to see.

So you also (along with mikesez) believe that a willingness to physically assault someone smaller makes a person right.

Did you get that from a Leftist site, or is that just your personal opinion?

We are not saying that it's OK to assault people in response to insults. 
We are saying that it is an insult, and trying to let you imagine situations where it should become clear to you that it is an insult.  The point is you wouldn't say these things to the face of the example person.  Once you imagine the situation that should be clear.
Now that we have established that an insult was given, the next question is, was it intentional?
If it was unintentional, DeSantis should say so and apologize.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

So you also (along with mikesez) believe that a willingness to physically assault someone smaller makes a person right.

Did you get that from a Leftist site, or is that just your personal opinion?

We are not saying that it's OK to assault people in response to insults. 
We are saying that it is an insult, and trying to let you imagine situations where it should become clear to you that it is an insult.  The point is you wouldn't say these things to the face of the example person.  Once you imagine the situation that should be clear.
Now that we have established that an insult was given, the next question is, was it intentional?
If it was unintentional, DeSantis should say so and apologize.

You've established nothing. It wasn't an insult, it's not an insult ,and people wanting it to be an insult are desperate for attention.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

We are not saying that it's OK to assault people in response to insults. 
We are saying that it is an insult, and trying to let you imagine situations where it should become clear to you that it is an insult.  The point is you wouldn't say these things to the face of the example person.  Once you imagine the situation that should be clear.
Now that we have established that an insult was given, the next question is, was it intentional?
If it was unintentional, DeSantis should say so and apologize.

You've established nothing. It wasn't an insult, it's not an insult ,and people wanting it to be an insult are desperate for attention.

Nice to see your narcissism deciding what is and isn’t an insult. I got a mechanic friend you should visit....

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Jaguars Fundamentalist

You've established nothing. It wasn't an insult, it's not an insult ,and people wanting it to be an insult are desperate for attention.

Nice to see your narcissism deciding what is and isn’t an insult. I got a mechanic friend you should visit....

It's like you people don't understand that no one really matters except me. Oh no, I said "you people", I denounce myself for my latent racism. 

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Nice to see your narcissism deciding what is and isn’t an insult. I got a mechanic friend you should visit....

It's like you people don't understand that no one really matters except me. Oh no, I said "you people", I denounce myself for my latent racism. 

I appreciate your honesty. :-)  I’ve come to learn at a somewhat older age that we as a collective society need each other whether we like it or not. Conservatives can’t exist without Liberals and vice versa. We’re all just cogs in a machine and personally I try to go through life being empathetic towards others and be mindful of the things I say because I prefer having respect for others rather than thinking I’m the center of the universe.

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Jaguars Fundamentalist