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Obama on the campaign trail

#21

(09-08-2018, 06:11 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(09-08-2018, 12:35 PM)The Drifter Wrote: HE’S BACK! Obama refers to himself 102 times during 64-minute speech

Former President Barack Obama visited The University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign Friday to accept the school’s ethics in government award, and to offer his take on “the state of our democracy.”

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hes-bac...te-speech/

Do you really want to invite a comparison to Trump on this particular subject?

Do "ethics in government" include spying on a political campaign?
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#22

(09-08-2018, 07:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(09-08-2018, 06:11 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Do you really want to invite a comparison to Trump on this particular subject?

Do "ethics in government" include spying on a political campaign?

show any evidence that any of the material that FBI found made its way into the hands of Obama's political operation or Hillary's. Even Trump is not claiming that Obama and Hillary got secret access to his campaign's files. It all stayed at DoJ. Trump knows that. You're being played by his innuendo, like a fiddle.
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#23

(09-08-2018, 07:12 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(09-08-2018, 07:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Do "ethics in government" include spying on a political campaign?

show any evidence that any of the material that FBI found made its way into the hands of Obama's political operation or Hillary's. Even Trump is not claiming that Obama and Hillary got secret access to his campaign's files. It all stayed at DoJ. Trump knows that. You're being played by his innuendo, like a fiddle.

Ohhhhh....  Mike.........  

No homework again?  Oh no....
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#24

(09-08-2018, 07:30 PM)jj82284 Wrote:
(09-08-2018, 07:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: show any evidence that any of the material that FBI found made its way into the hands of Obama's political operation or Hillary's. Even Trump is not claiming that Obama and Hillary got secret access to his campaign's files. It all stayed at DoJ. Trump knows that. You're being played by his innuendo, like a fiddle.

Ohhhhh....  Mike.........  

No homework again?  Oh no....

look, if you're going to make wild, life and career changing claims without evidence, that's called religion and it has no place on this forum.
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#25

And pop goes the shoulder joint on that reach!
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#26
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2018, 08:28 AM by jj82284.)

(09-08-2018, 08:02 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(09-08-2018, 07:30 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Ohhhhh....  Mike.........  

No homework again?  Oh no....

look, if you're going to make wild, life and career changing claims without evidence, that's called religion and it has no place on this forum.

It's okay.  It's a lot to take in.  

Not all intelligence operations are strictly for information gathering.  Some intelligence operations are for information implanting to create or foster a narrative or disinformation.  In the case of the Trump Campaign, it has already been acknowledged in the public square that there were American sanctioned intelligence assets in contact with Satellites of the Trump campaign for the purpose of soliciting or planting information relating to the alleged Russian interference in our elections.  The most glaring case is that of Papadopoulos.  There was Stephen Halper, an American intelligence asset that invited him over to London, one of his associates Professor Miffsoud, another person affiliated with both American and Russian intelligence, was the source (Along with the public statements of Julianne Assange) of the idea that the Russians had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton.  Stephen Halpers involvement as an active American asset has been acknowledged in the public square.  This is also a gentlemen who was involved in falsely accusing Michael Flynn of Misconduct back in 2014 because of personal animus.  

Under John Brennan, The United States developed an expanded policy of outsourcing elements of foreign intelligence work to assets from allied countries in their native theaters of operation.  Christopher Steele was an American/British asset under this program.  He was paid roughly 11 times by the United States government in the run up to the 2016 presidential campaign.  He was also paid (illegally) by Hillary Clinton's campaign through the DNC and the Law Firm Perkins Quoi to the company FUSION GPS.  It was his work (the Dossier) that comprised the foundation of the Intelligence communities argument for probable cause against the Trump Campaign after it was believed that there were exculpatory developments in the case against George Papadopoulos.  In addition to Steele, Nellie Ohre the wife of the #4 at DOJ was also employed to provide Opposition Research against the Trump Campaign (Bruce Ohr illegally concealed this information) and her husband worked extensively to lend credibility to the Disinformation that Steele was peddling when it had never and has never been verified (in court documents Steele has expressed his own disbelief in his own work.)  These are all facts that are part of the public square that are easily searchable.

In addition, there are a number of other alleged interference, grooming, and solicitations from American Assets against other members of the Trump Campaign. We know that Natalia Vesselnetskya (The Russia Connected Lawyer from the Trump Tower Meeting) was also a client of Fusion GPS. We know that Peter Strzok expressed a need for an "insurance policy". We know that James Comey, Sally Yates, Andrew McCabe and the current deputy AG whose in charge of the entire Russian Collusion sham all signed off on a FISA Application to spy on an American citizen based on the fiction of Mr. Steele. We also know that requests to unmask American Citizens captured through incidental collections more than doubled during Campaign season (the paper trail of those requests has been thrown into question with the denials of Samantha Powers.) We know that someone leaked the unmasked transcript of Michael Flynn to the press as a news hook for his prosecution. We know that an intelligence official leaked the initial disclosure of the Dossier to the President by Jim Comey in an intelligence brief. The list goes on.


Even if you want to limit the scope of "spying" to mean the pure theft of information then you still have the illegal Fisa and the unconstitutional unmasking that have both been acknowledged as fact in the public square and open source reporting. And even that ignores the massive counter intel operation research operation that was initiated against the Trump Campaign, I believe, as a potential October Surprise before there was knowledge of the Billy bush Tape.
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#27

Note that the Deep Staters working against Trump always leaked to the media branch of the Deep State before openly acting. They used the media to create false realities and then acted on these false realities once the seed was planted in the public's mind. It's circular fiction.
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#28

(09-08-2018, 07:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(09-08-2018, 06:11 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Do you really want to invite a comparison to Trump on this particular subject?

Do "ethics in government" include spying on a political campaign?

Were ethics even taught at Trump University?

Wow, this deflection thing is fun.
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#29
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2018, 10:40 AM by StroudCrowd1.)

(09-09-2018, 10:25 AM)rollerjag Wrote:
(09-08-2018, 07:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Do "ethics in government" include spying on a political campaign?

Were ethics even taught at Trump University?

Wow, this deflection thing is fun.

Not sure RJ. Have you been? I am dying to hear your first hand experience of how unethical TU was and how you got ripped off and got your money back.
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#30
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2018, 03:32 PM by mikesez.)

(09-09-2018, 08:18 AM)jj82284 Wrote:
(09-08-2018, 08:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: look, if you're going to make wild, life and career changing claims without evidence, that's called religion and it has no place on this forum.

It's okay.  It's a lot to take in.  

Not all intelligence operations are strictly for information gathering.  Some intelligence operations are for information implanting to create or foster a narrative or disinformation.  In the case of the Trump Campaign, it has already been acknowledged in the public square that there were American sanctioned intelligence assets in contact with Satellites of the Trump campaign for the purpose of soliciting or planting information relating to the alleged Russian interference in our elections.  The most glaring case is that of Papadopoulos.  There was Stephen Halper, an American intelligence asset that invited him over to London, one of his associates Professor Miffsoud, another person affiliated with both American and Russian intelligence, was the source (Along with the public statements of Julianne Assange) of the idea that the Russians had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton.  Stephen Halpers involvement as an active American asset has been acknowledged in the public square.  This is also a gentlemen who was involved in falsely accusing Michael Flynn of Misconduct back in 2014 because of personal animus.  

Under John Brennan, The United States developed an expanded policy of outsourcing elements of foreign intelligence work to assets from allied countries in their native theaters of operation.  Christopher Steele was an American/British asset under this program.  He was paid roughly 11 times by the United States government in the run up to the 2016 presidential campaign.  He was also paid (illegally) by Hillary Clinton's campaign through the DNC and the Law Firm Perkins Quoi to the company FUSION GPS.  It was his work (the Dossier) that comprised the foundation of the Intelligence communities argument for probable cause against the Trump Campaign after it was believed that there were exculpatory developments in the case against George Papadopoulos.  In addition to Steele, Nellie Ohre the wife of the #4 at DOJ was also employed to provide Opposition Research against the Trump Campaign (Bruce Ohr illegally concealed this information) and her husband worked extensively to lend credibility to the Disinformation that Steele was peddling when it had never and has never been verified (in court documents Steele has expressed his own disbelief in his own work.)  These are all facts that are part of the public square that are easily searchable.

In addition, there are a number of other alleged interference, grooming, and solicitations from American Assets against other members of the Trump Campaign.  We know that Natalia Vesselnetskya (The Russia Connected Lawyer from the Trump Tower Meeting) was also a client of Fusion GPS.  We know that Peter Strzok expressed a need for an "insurance policy".  We know that James Comey, Sally Yates, Andrew McCabe and the current deputy AG whose in charge of the entire Russian Collusion sham all signed off on a FISA Application to spy on an American citizen based on the fiction of Mr. Steele.  We also know that requests to unmask American Citizens captured through incidental collections more than doubled during Campaign season (the paper trail of those requests has been thrown into question with the denials of Samantha Powers.)  We know that someone leaked the unmasked transcript of  Michael Flynn to the press as a news hook for his prosecution.  We know that an intelligence official leaked the initial disclosure of the Dossier to the President by Jim Comey in an intelligence brief.  The list goes on.  


Even if you want to limit the scope of "spying" to mean the pure theft of information then you still have the illegal Fisa and the unconstitutional unmasking that have both been acknowledged as fact in the public square and open source reporting.  And even that ignores the massive counter intel operation research operation that was initiated against the Trump Campaign, I believe, as a potential October Surprise before there was knowledge of the Billy bush Tape.

I sense you put a lot of effort into that response.  I'm sorry but it doesn't answer my question.
My question was, did Hillary's campaign or any of her PACs, or any of Obama's PACs, obtain this sensitive information before the public did?
So far, there is no evidence that they did, and not even Trump is alleging that they did. Remember how the DNC emails from this time period all got hacked? There's nothing in those emails pointing to them knowing stuff about Trump that the public didnt already know.
So how could it be politically motivated spying or unmasking if the politicians that might have wanted that information didnt get any early access to it?
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#31

(09-09-2018, 03:30 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(09-09-2018, 08:18 AM)jj82284 Wrote: It's okay.  It's a lot to take in.  

Not all intelligence operations are strictly for information gathering.  Some intelligence operations are for information implanting to create or foster a narrative or disinformation.  In the case of the Trump Campaign, it has already been acknowledged in the public square that there were American sanctioned intelligence assets in contact with Satellites of the Trump campaign for the purpose of soliciting or planting information relating to the alleged Russian interference in our elections.  The most glaring case is that of Papadopoulos.  There was Stephen Halper, an American intelligence asset that invited him over to London, one of his associates Professor Miffsoud, another person affiliated with both American and Russian intelligence, was the source (Along with the public statements of Julianne Assange) of the idea that the Russians had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton.  Stephen Halpers involvement as an active American asset has been acknowledged in the public square.  This is also a gentlemen who was involved in falsely accusing Michael Flynn of Misconduct back in 2014 because of personal animus.  

Under John Brennan, The United States developed an expanded policy of outsourcing elements of foreign intelligence work to assets from allied countries in their native theaters of operation.  Christopher Steele was an American/British asset under this program.  He was paid roughly 11 times by the United States government in the run up to the 2016 presidential campaign.  He was also paid (illegally) by Hillary Clinton's campaign through the DNC and the Law Firm Perkins Quoi to the company FUSION GPS.  It was his work (the Dossier) that comprised the foundation of the Intelligence communities argument for probable cause against the Trump Campaign after it was believed that there were exculpatory developments in the case against George Papadopoulos.  In addition to Steele, Nellie Ohre the wife of the #4 at DOJ was also employed to provide Opposition Research against the Trump Campaign (Bruce Ohr illegally concealed this information) and her husband worked extensively to lend credibility to the Disinformation that Steele was peddling when it had never and has never been verified (in court documents Steele has expressed his own disbelief in his own work.)  These are all facts that are part of the public square that are easily searchable.

In addition, there are a number of other alleged interference, grooming, and solicitations from American Assets against other members of the Trump Campaign.  We know that Natalia Vesselnetskya (The Russia Connected Lawyer from the Trump Tower Meeting) was also a client of Fusion GPS.  We know that Peter Strzok expressed a need for an "insurance policy".  We know that James Comey, Sally Yates, Andrew McCabe and the current deputy AG whose in charge of the entire Russian Collusion sham all signed off on a FISA Application to spy on an American citizen based on the fiction of Mr. Steele.  We also know that requests to unmask American Citizens captured through incidental collections more than doubled during Campaign season (the paper trail of those requests has been thrown into question with the denials of Samantha Powers.)  We know that someone leaked the unmasked transcript of  Michael Flynn to the press as a news hook for his prosecution.  We know that an intelligence official leaked the initial disclosure of the Dossier to the President by Jim Comey in an intelligence brief.  The list goes on.  


Even if you want to limit the scope of "spying" to mean the pure theft of information then you still have the illegal Fisa and the unconstitutional unmasking that have both been acknowledged as fact in the public square and open source reporting.  And even that ignores the massive counter intel operation research operation that was initiated against the Trump Campaign, I believe, as a potential October Surprise before there was knowledge of the Billy bush Tape.

I sense you put a lot of effort into that response.  I'm sorry but it doesn't answer my question.
My question was, did Hillary's campaign or any of her PACs, or any of Obama's PACs, obtain this sensitive information before the public did?
So far, there is no evidence that they did, and not even Trump is alleging that they did. Remember how the DNC emails from this time period all got hacked? There's nothing in those emails pointing to them knowing stuff about Trump that the public didnt already know.
So how could it be politically motivated spying or unmasking if the politicians that might have wanted that information didnt get any early access to it?

Out of respect, I'm going to just let u try again.  

The whole Russia Trump narrative was a political response to the embarrassment of the Russia hack.  It INCLUDED the direct surveillance of American citizens by state actors in violation of their constitutional rights.  The fact that the Trump campaign DIDNT do anything wrong doesn't excuse the attempts by her satellites to spy on and provide propaganda against his campaign associates.
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#32
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2018, 09:20 PM by mikesez.)

(09-09-2018, 07:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote:
(09-09-2018, 03:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: I sense you put a lot of effort into that response.  I'm sorry but it doesn't answer my question.
My question was, did Hillary's campaign or any of her PACs, or any of Obama's PACs, obtain this sensitive information before the public did?
So far, there is no evidence that they did, and not even Trump is alleging that they did. Remember how the DNC emails from this time period all got hacked? There's nothing in those emails pointing to them knowing stuff about Trump that the public didnt already know.
So how could it be politically motivated spying or unmasking if the politicians that might have wanted that information didnt get any early access to it?

Out of respect, I'm going to just let u try again.  

The whole Russia Trump narrative was a political response to the embarrassment of the Russia hack.  It INCLUDED the direct surveillance of American citizens by state actors in violation of their constitutional rights.  The fact that the Trump campaign DIDNT do anything wrong doesn't excuse the attempts by her satellites to spy on and provide propaganda against his campaign associates.

You're begging the question.  You're not answering my question.
1) DoJ, in spying on the Trump campaign, did not collude with any candidate or any party or any PAC.
2) DoJ may have violated constitutional rights of some, I don't know, but it wasn't done with the intent or result of hurting Trump or helping Hillary.
My only question, for the third time, is do you have specific evidence to show that (1) or (2) is not true?
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#33

(09-09-2018, 08:37 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(09-09-2018, 07:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Out of respect, I'm going to just let u try again.  

The whole Russia Trump narrative was a political response to the embarrassment of the Russia hack.  It INCLUDED the direct surveillance of American citizens by state actors in violation of their constitutional rights.  The fact that the Trump campaign DIDNT do anything wrong doesn't excuse the attempts by her satellites to spy on and provide propaganda against his campaign associates.

You're begging the question.  You're not answering my question.
1) DoJ, in spying on the Trump campaign, did not collide with any candidate or any party or any PAC.
2) DoJ may have violated constitutional rights of some, I don't know, but it wasn't done with the intent or result of hurting Trump or helping Hillary.
My only question, for the third time, is do you have specific evidence to show that (1) or (2) is not true?

You can believe they didn't share that data if you want, but it makes you either naive or gullible.
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#34

Obama said Trump is doing a terrible job, then takes credit for how great the country is under Trump.

Liberal logic.
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#35
(This post was last modified: 09-10-2018, 11:51 AM by jj82284.)

(09-09-2018, 08:37 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(09-09-2018, 07:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Out of respect, I'm going to just let u try again.  

The whole Russia Trump narrative was a political response to the embarrassment of the Russia hack.  It INCLUDED the direct surveillance of American citizens by state actors in violation of their constitutional rights.  The fact that the Trump campaign DIDNT do anything wrong doesn't excuse the attempts by her satellites to spy on and provide propaganda against his campaign associates.

You're begging the question.  You're not answering my question.
1) DoJ, in spying on the Trump campaign, did not collide with any candidate or any party or any PAC.
2) DoJ may have violated constitutional rights of some, I don't know, but it wasn't done with the intent or result of hurting Trump or helping Hillary.
My only question, for the third time, is do you have specific evidence to show that (1) or (2) is not true?

1.)Apparently you're unaware that Bruce ohr the #4 at doj and the conduit for the Steele dossier to the doj was married to nellie ohr who was payed by fusion GPS on behalf of Hillary Clinton working on opposition research against the Trump campaign.  He went on to violate DOJ Policy and not disclose the information or recuse himself from any involvement, quite the contrary he vouched for Steele and continued to funnel his lies even after he was fired.  

2.) Are u out of ur mind?  I'm going to give u the benefit of the doubt and assume u just don't know what ur talking about.  Popadopolus was solicited by American intelligence and then an australisn diplomat that, surprise surprise, was a donor to the clinton foundation who made a call about an alleged drunken outburst and the kid is charged with a crime for not remembering.  Michael Flynn's rights were clearly violated to illegally unmask him, leak the call transcript and basically do a formal FBI interview without proper notice to retain council.  Not to harm anyone on the Trump campaign?  Lol.  That's rich.  

Just ask the people involved, the guy who wrote Comeys exoneration of Clinton and opened the Russia investigation has written messages about needing an insurance policy against Trump and coming up with plans in the office of the deputy director of the FBI to stop his election.  That's more damaging than the FURMAN TAPES.  Bruce ohr admitted that the Steele dossier wouldn't stand up in court abd that it was the result of Michael Steele bias and his "desperate" need for Trump not to get elected.  He also said that everyone knew it.  That means that the FBI director, the deputy FBI director the former deputy ag and the current deputy ag perjured themselves to the for a court to obtain a FISA warrant against Carter Page.  

What part don't u get exactly?  There's a direct money trail from the clinton campaign to the bank account of the #4 official at the doj to spread disinformation about the Trump campaign.  There are emails and text messages demonstrating the clear bias on behalf of those in charge of this sham.  These are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed.
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#36

(09-09-2018, 10:36 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(09-09-2018, 10:25 AM)rollerjag Wrote: Were ethics even taught at Trump University?

Wow, this deflection thing is fun.

Not sure RJ. Have you been? I am dying to hear your first hand experience of how unethical TU was and how you got ripped off and got your money back.

I'm not stupid enough to believe a word that stumbles out of Trump's mouth.

Are you?

Obvious perjury trap is obvious.

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#37

(09-09-2018, 09:16 PM)jj82284 Wrote:
(09-09-2018, 08:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: You're begging the question.  You're not answering my question.
1) DoJ, in spying on the Trump campaign, did not collide with any candidate or any party or any PAC.
2) DoJ may have violated constitutional rights of some, I don't know, but it wasn't done with the intent or result of hurting Trump or helping Hillary.
My only question, for the third time, is do you have specific evidence to show that (1) or (2) is not true?

1.)Apparently you're unaware that Bruce ohr the #4 at doj and the conduit for the Steele dossier to the doj was married to nellie ohr who was payed by fusion GPS on behalf of Hillary Clinton working on opposition research against the Trump campaign.  He went on to violate DOJ Policy and not disclose the information or recuse himself from any involvement, quite the contrary he vouched for Steele and continued to funnel his lies even after he was fired.  

2.) Are u out of ur mind?  I'm going to give u the benefit of the doubt and assume u just don't know what ur talking about.  Popadopolus was solicited by American intelligence and then an australisn diplomat that, surprise surprise, was a donor to the clinton foundation who made a call about an alleged drunken outburst and the kid is charged with a crime for not remembering.  Michael Flynn's rights were clearly violated to illegally unmask him, leak the call transcript and basically do a formal FBI interview without proper notice to retain council.  Not to harm anyone on the Trump campaign?  Lol.  That's rich.  

Just ask the people involved, the guy who wrote Comeys exoneration of Clinton and opened the Russia investigation has written messages about needing an insurance policy against Trump and coming up with plans in the office of the deputy director of the FBI to stop his election.  That's more damaging than the FURMAN TAPES.  Bruce ohr admitted that the Steele dossier wouldn't stand up in court abd that it was the result of Michael Steele bias and his "desperate" need for Trump not to get elected.  He also said that everyone knew it.  That means that the FBI director, the deputy FBI director the former deputy ag and the current deputy ag perjured themselves to the for a court to obtain a FISA warrant against Carter Page.  

What part don't u get exactly?  There's a direct money trail from the clinton campaign to the bank account of the #4 official at the doj to spread disinformation about the Trump campaign.  There are emails and text messages demonstrating the clear bias on behalf of those in charge of this sham.  These are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed.

Swings and misses.
DoJ does a lot of things. It is a big organization.
So did Fusion GPS.  It was a big organization too.  
You have to show more than just a husband-wife relationship between the two.  
The Stzork texts have two possible explanations.  One, the guy simply hated Trump, and so did the people he communicated with, and he falsified evidence out of spite.  Or two, he and his crew actually saw some really damning evidence that Trump was in deep with the Russian mafia, but they couldnt be fully public with it.  In both scenarios you'd see a man desperate to get an "insurance policy" within the FBI, but in the first case he's corrupt and vindictive, while in the second case he is a patriot.  Unfortunately it will be years before enough material is un-redacted for us to know.
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(09-15-2018, 08:18 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(09-09-2018, 09:16 PM)jj82284 Wrote: 1.)Apparently you're unaware that Bruce ohr the #4 at doj and the conduit for the Steele dossier to the doj was married to nellie ohr who was payed by fusion GPS on behalf of Hillary Clinton working on opposition research against the Trump campaign.  He went on to violate DOJ Policy and not disclose the information or recuse himself from any involvement, quite the contrary he vouched for Steele and continued to funnel his lies even after he was fired.  

2.) Are u out of ur mind?  I'm going to give u the benefit of the doubt and assume u just don't know what ur talking about.  Popadopolus was solicited by American intelligence and then an australisn diplomat that, surprise surprise, was a donor to the clinton foundation who made a call about an alleged drunken outburst and the kid is charged with a crime for not remembering.  Michael Flynn's rights were clearly violated to illegally unmask him, leak the call transcript and basically do a formal FBI interview without proper notice to retain council.  Not to harm anyone on the Trump campaign?  Lol.  That's rich.  

Just ask the people involved, the guy who wrote Comeys exoneration of Clinton and opened the Russia investigation has written messages about needing an insurance policy against Trump and coming up with plans in the office of the deputy director of the FBI to stop his election.  That's more damaging than the FURMAN TAPES.  Bruce ohr admitted that the Steele dossier wouldn't stand up in court abd that it was the result of Michael Steele bias and his "desperate" need for Trump not to get elected.  He also said that everyone knew it.  That means that the FBI director, the deputy FBI director the former deputy ag and the current deputy ag perjured themselves to the for a court to obtain a FISA warrant against Carter Page.  

What part don't u get exactly?  There's a direct money trail from the clinton campaign to the bank account of the #4 official at the doj to spread disinformation about the Trump campaign.  There are emails and text messages demonstrating the clear bias on behalf of those in charge of this sham.  These are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed.

Swings and misses.
DoJ does a lot of things. It is a big organization.
So did Fusion GPS.  It was a big organization too.  

Is this supposed to be an actual response?  "They're big organizations"  Frankly I'm insulted.  

You have to show more than just a husband-wife relationship between the two.  

I did.  I didn't just state that there was a Husband and wife relationship, I stated that in this particular case her being essentially being paid by the Clinton Campaign to do opposition research against then Candidate Trump created a tangible conflict of interest on the Behalf of Bruce Ohr when dealing with the Russia Probe and created the duty for him to recuse himself.  I then further pointed out that not only did he not honor this duty to recuse himself He went over and above his normal sphere of influence at the DOJ (Drug Task forces and the like) to peddle the disinformation to high ranking officials at the DOJ, The FBI including but not limited to the Deputy Director, and the #2 on the current Special counsel investigation even though he has ADMITTED IN TESTIMONY TO CONGRESS that he KNEW THE DOSSIER COULD NOT AND SHOULD NOT STAND UP TO THE SCRUTINY OF A COURT OF LAW.  It would take a while to actually count the felonies.  


The Stzork texts have two possible explanations.  One, the guy simply hated Trump, and so did the people he communicated with, and he falsified evidence out of spite.  Or two, he and his crew actually saw some really damning evidence that Trump was in deep with the Russian mafia, but they couldnt be fully public with it.  In both scenarios you'd see a man desperate to get an "insurance policy" within the FBI, but in the first case he's corrupt and vindictive, while in the second case he is a patriot.  Unfortunately it will be years before enough material is un-redacted for us to know.

Just to recap, there are basically two main data points to this farce.  

1.) George popadopolous got drunk in a bar and said something to the affect that the Russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton.  Never mind that this was already in open source reporting from a million different angles (her personal server potentially being compromised, Assange stating as much, Fallout from Uranium 1.) we know that The professor who invited him to London in the first place was an American/British spy and one of his intelligence sources (donor to the Clinton foundation) planted the general information with pop and the Australian Ambassador that contacted the FBI 2 full months after the alleged outburst was a donor to the Clinton foundation.  

2.) Donald Trump Junior had a meeting with a hot Russian Lawyer in trump Tower.  Forgoing the fact that it isn't illegal to accept opposition research from a foreign national as long as there is no money exchanged (as in the case of Fusion GPS.) again Donald Jr. Was SOLICITED to meet with this lawyer who surprise is a client of Fusion GPS and met with them immediately prior to and following said meeting.  
The only way they actually got a court of law to go along with this farce was through the Steele Dossier that even he won't stand by (open testimony states that he himself couldn't verify the information.) 

As for super patriot Strzok we now know that he was texting his lover about a coordinated leak strategy that included material related to the FISA application against Carter Page...  Another set of Felonies.  

It's amazing how some people will go out of their way to ignore the plain trade craft deployed against the Trump Campaign.  It's amazing how those same people will completely ignore the laundry list of illegal and unethical behavior on behalf of the FBI DOJ and other US intelligence assets in their attempt to "investigate" or more accurately spread propaganda against the sitting president.  It's amazing that they will ignore the fact that the former head of the FBI rewrote a statute about the handling of classified information to clear Trump's opponent.  They are unwilling to make the basic connection about the plain lack of credibility for people demonstorably involved with felonious conduct, but somehow some way they still hold out hope that even though we have leaks about urine tapes, porn stars, playmates, texts of classified phone conversations, off the record comments about trade delegations, etc. etc. etc. that somehow some way there is a smoking gun of Russian collusion that is the only thing that Strzok and his Ilk DIDN'T see fit to leak....  

LOL.
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(09-16-2018, 12:01 AM)jj82284 Wrote:
(09-15-2018, 08:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: Swings and misses.
DoJ does a lot of things. It is a big organization.
So did Fusion GPS.  It was a big organization too.  

Is this supposed to be an actual response?  "They're big organizations"  Frankly I'm insulted.  

You have to show more than just a husband-wife relationship between the two.  

I did.  I didn't just state that there was a Husband and wife relationship, I stated that in this particular case her being essentially being paid by the Clinton Campaign to do opposition research against then Candidate Trump created a tangible conflict of interest on the Behalf of Bruce Ohr when dealing with the Russia Probe and created the duty for him to recuse himself.  I then further pointed out that not only did he not honor this duty to recuse himself He went over and above his normal sphere of influence at the DOJ (Drug Task forces and the like) to peddle the disinformation to high ranking officials at the DOJ, The FBI including but not limited to the Deputy Director, and the #2 on the current Special counsel investigation even though he has ADMITTED IN TESTIMONY TO CONGRESS that he KNEW THE DOSSIER COULD NOT AND SHOULD NOT STAND UP TO THE SCRUTINY OF A COURT OF LAW.  It would take a while to actually count the felonies.  


The Stzork texts have two possible explanations.  One, the guy simply hated Trump, and so did the people he communicated with, and he falsified evidence out of spite.  Or two, he and his crew actually saw some really damning evidence that Trump was in deep with the Russian mafia, but they couldnt be fully public with it.  In both scenarios you'd see a man desperate to get an "insurance policy" within the FBI, but in the first case he's corrupt and vindictive, while in the second case he is a patriot.  Unfortunately it will be years before enough material is un-redacted for us to know.

Just to recap, there are basically two main data points to this farce.  

1.) George popadopolous got drunk in a bar and said something to the affect that the Russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton.  Never mind that this was already in open source reporting from a million different angles (her personal server potentially being compromised, Assange stating as much, Fallout from Uranium 1.) we know that The professor who invited him to London in the first place was an American/British spy and one of his intelligence sources (donor to the Clinton foundation) planted the general information with pop and the Australian Ambassador that contacted the FBI 2 full months after the alleged outburst was a donor to the Clinton foundation.  

2.) Donald Trump Junior had a meeting with a hot Russian Lawyer in trump Tower.  Forgoing the fact that it isn't illegal to accept opposition research from a foreign national as long as there is no money exchanged (as in the case of Fusion GPS.) again Donald Jr. Was SOLICITED to meet with this lawyer who surprise is a client of Fusion GPS and met with them immediately prior to and following said meeting.  
The only way they actually got a court of law to go along with this farce was through the Steele Dossier that even he won't stand by (open testimony states that he himself couldn't verify the information.) 

As for super patriot Strzok we now know that he was texting his lover about a coordinated leak strategy that included material related to the FISA application against Carter Page...  Another set of Felonies.  

It's amazing how some people will go out of their way to ignore the plain trade craft deployed against the Trump Campaign.  It's amazing how those same people will completely ignore the laundry list of illegal and unethical behavior on behalf of the FBI DOJ and other US intelligence assets in their attempt to "investigate" or more accurately spread propaganda against the sitting president.  It's amazing that they will ignore the fact that the former head of the FBI rewrote a statute about the handling of classified information to clear Trump's opponent.  They are unwilling to make the basic connection about the plain lack of credibility for people demonstorably involved with felonious conduct, but somehow some way they still hold out hope that even though we have leaks about urine tapes, porn stars, playmates, texts of classified phone conversations, off the record comments about trade delegations, etc. etc. etc. that somehow some way there is a smoking gun of Russian collusion that is the only thing that Strzok and his Ilk DIDN'T see fit to leak....  

LOL.

Here, have a tinfoil hat. You've earned it.
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