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Mobama 2020

#41

(11-12-2018, 11:48 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: WSJ says Hillary will absolutely run in 2020.

I wonder if her plan is to not completely ignore the rust belt and the actual working class people of the country. I am also curious if people are interested in actually losing all of the manufacturing jobs Trump's policies have brought back to the country.

Please run Hillary. Please run.
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#42

Hillary is running again, so Mooch is going to have to wait.
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#43

Hillary would have the coastal elites, Wall Street, the media and the Deep State already in the bag. She would probably spend the whole campaign courting those dumb Midwestern hicks she ignored last time. Should be fun to watch her suck up to those Deplorables she so dearly loves.
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#44

(11-12-2018, 04:06 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: Hillary would have the coastal elites, Wall Street, the media and the Deep State already in the bag.  She would probably spend the whole campaign courting those dumb Midwestern hicks she ignored last time.  Should be fun to watch her suck up to those Deplorables she so dearly loves.

My question is, would they continue to pump money into her campaign again or does she have a permanent stain?
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#45

"They" have no choice. She holds the skeleton keys of everyone in the globalist satanic cult.
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#46

(11-12-2018, 04:06 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: Hillary would have the coastal elites, Wall Street, the media and the Deep State already in the bag.  She would probably spend the whole campaign courting those dumb Midwestern hicks she ignored last time.  Should be fun to watch her suck up to those Deplorables she so dearly loves.

"I ain' in now ways taaaaaarrrrreeeeeddddd."
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#47

(11-12-2018, 08:22 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(11-12-2018, 12:59 AM)TJBender Wrote: I thought Satan had retired from the consulting biz?


I just can't help myself. I can't wait. This is going to be absolutely hilarious. You have these establishment young bucks like Booker, Harris, and Gillibrand who will likely quickly fold if Hill-dog decides to run. You have the "older guard" like Warren & Biden who who may put up more of a fight, then...... you have creepy porn lawyer who will not follow any protocols and just be a bull in a china shop during the debates. There are probably 15 additional people I am missing, but they will all be irrelevant. Avenatti is actually playing this very smart. He is already selling the fact that it will take a "special kind of person" to beat Trump, and he is right.

The big question is, will the PAC's throw their money behind Clinton again or someone else?

Hillary Clinton is the Democratic equivalent of Jeb Bush at this point.
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#48

(11-09-2018, 09:53 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(11-09-2018, 01:41 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: I think Bernie would have stomped Trump in 2016, but I don't think he can do it now. He was their best chance and they instead picked the worst possible candidate.

They don't really have that star power now. Everyone on the left loves Michelle, so I guess it's as good as any. Not sure she'd want to do it though.

I actually agree with this statement. The Democratic party screwed themselves by forcing Hillary down everyone's throats. When I looked at the last presidential ballot I saw two people (Trump and Hillary), that I did not like and did not respect. That is why I voted 3rd party. I may not like many politicians at all, but they at least have to earn my respect, for me to vote for them. Both parties failed miserably at putting respectable candidates on the ballot. As far as Bernie goes, I still believe he could beat Trump, but the Democratic party will never allow him to get that chance with their current leadership, because he is too radical for them. They want to keep the same old ideas and people are rebelling against them. That party needs new leadership or they will fail again.

The Republican party actually did something very similar to Ron Paul.
There were primaries that were rigged to lower his numbers, especially in Iowa.

During that election season the polls had Ron Paul as the ONLY ® candidate that was even close to beating Obama. Instead we got Mitt Romney a very unlikable candidate that was disconnected with half of the country (sounds familiar lol)

I was no Bernie fan but he was screwed
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#49

(11-12-2018, 04:38 PM)Kane Wrote:
(11-09-2018, 09:53 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I actually agree with this statement. The Democratic party screwed themselves by forcing Hillary down everyone's throats. When I looked at the last presidential ballot I saw two people (Trump and Hillary), that I did not like and did not respect. That is why I voted 3rd party. I may not like many politicians at all, but they at least have to earn my respect, for me to vote for them. Both parties failed miserably at putting respectable candidates on the ballot. As far as Bernie goes, I still believe he could beat Trump, but the Democratic party will never allow him to get that chance with their current leadership, because he is too radical for them. They want to keep the same old ideas and people are rebelling against them. That party needs new leadership or they will fail again.

The Republican party actually did something very similar to Ron Paul.
There were primaries that were rigged to lower his numbers, especially in Iowa.

During that election season the polls had Ron Paul as the ONLY ® candidate that was even close to beating Obama. Instead we got Mitt Romney a very unlikable candidate that was disconnected with half of the country (sounds familiar lol)

I was no Bernie fan but he was screwed

Lol.  Paul had like 10x less support than Bernie.
I believe you when you say that if Paul was the Republican party candidate, he could have beaten Obama, but he was the first choice of basically no one. 

I agree that we should go to a non-partisan, ranked choice way to select our leaders, and that Paul and Bernie are sort of examples of why, but the truth is that all candidates would change their tactics if we changed the voting system.  Ranked choice voting in practice doesn't produce winners who have internally consistent and uncompromising beliefs.  It produces winners who scrupulously avoid saying negative things about other candidates.  You wouldn't end up with a Bernie or a Ron Paul, you'd end up with a Jon Edwards or a John Kasich.  You may think that such people are not as smart as the average politician or more dishonest than average, but at least you'll be less provoked to argue with your neighbors about them.
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#50

(11-09-2018, 12:57 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: Calling it now.  Michelle Obama will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020.

  After the 2016 election,  I expressed this.

  Two years later, while I still think Michelle Obama is a realistic possibility for the Democrats,   California U.S. Senator Kamala Harris is who I think is the most likely Dem. Nominee for President in 2020.

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#51
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2018, 09:14 AM by Caldrac.)

Really won't matter who wins the DNC for the 2020 election. It'll be Trump or another Republican that wins it again.

And it's not surprising. This has been pretty much the normal routine since 1981. With the exception of Bush Sr. during his 89 - 93 run. I was a toddler then so I have no clue how or why Clinton edged him out in 93'.

Every president since then has pretty much served two terms. Really the only thing that could change is Donald's age. He's still the oldest candidate to ever win it. Whether or not he wants to do this again for another four years is up to him. His mind could change over the course of the next two years.

I'll say this though. By 2032 we will have our first woman as President. Or gender fluid candidate if the Neo Libs and Dems have their way (God help us).
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#52

(11-17-2018, 09:14 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Really won't matter who wins the DNC for the 2020 election. It'll be Trump or another Republican that wins it again.

And it's not surprising. This has been pretty much the normal routine since 1981. With the exception of Bush Sr. during his 89 - 93 run. I was a toddler then so I have no clue how or why Clinton edged him out in 93'.

Every president since then has pretty much served two terms. Really the only thing that could change is Donald's age. He's still the oldest candidate to ever win it. Whether or not he wants to do this again for another four years is up to him. His mind could change over the course of the next two years.

I'll say this though. By 2032 we will have our first woman as President. Or gender fluid candidate if the Neo Libs and Dems have their way (God help us).

Bush raised taxes and Perot had a strong 3rd Party campaign resulting in almost 3 decades of Shrillary.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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