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(11-14-2018, 01:42 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:
(11-13-2018, 11:30 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Late in the play. 

The all22 is littered with examples of Blake not seeing the open guy. Or in this case, the guy coming open a split second later than when he decides to check down. 
Now - the O-Line play has likely instilled in Blake a bit of an anticipation of pressure that rushes his process a bit, but there are still too many instances of him not seeing the guy, not even looking at the guy, or simply choosing the wrong target. To be fair, these better options are not always the deeper receiver. In Indy for example, Blake threw into double coverage on an intermediate route while Yeldon was standing completely alone with no one near him 8 yards out, jumping up and down begging for the ball. 

How late are you seeing? Not sure the accuracy of these stats, but Bortles is already in the bottom 10 in longest time to throw when dropping back. If you want him to stay on reads for a bit longer that is a bit unreasonable, especially given the lack of consistency for pass blocking. Blake was actually quicker on his time to throw last year.
It's not necessarily "late" in the grand scheme of a typical NFL drop-back and throw. It's late in relation to his decision to throw it elsewhere instead, to check it down ,or to a lesser extent to take off running from pressure. 
In other words - right after he chooses a target  - there is sometimes a better one coming free if he'd wait just a beat longer. 
Again - you can find this all over the tape for half the QBs in the league.
His timing in general has always been wildly suspect though -  and I think that this exacerbates the problem with his indecision to throw to the longer developing routes. He doesn't always trust he'll get it there on time if he has more than one defender to worry about it or if he can't put some air under it. 
There was a play in Indy where Westbrook or Moncrief ran an intermediate out route - and the receiver was open for about four strides of the route - but Blake threw it so late the defender had time to close and the receiver had to slow down to keep from running out of bounds. This type of timing is a factor in this discussion as well. He didn't give his guy a chance on what would have been a 20 yard gain.

All of this comes down to how efficiently he can get through his progression of reads and choose the better target. It's not very efficient and it's obviously inconsistent as well. The indecision and poor decisions end up with Blake choosing the lesser target sometimes - or delivering the ball with poor timing which adversely affects the receiver's chance at a completion.
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(11-14-2018, 01:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(11-14-2018, 01:42 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: How late are you seeing? Not sure the accuracy of these stats, but Bortles is already in the bottom 10 in longest time to throw when dropping back. If you want him to stay on reads for a bit longer that is a bit unreasonable, especially given the lack of consistency for pass blocking. Blake was actually quicker on his time to throw last year.
It's not necessarily "late" in the grand scheme of a typical NFL drop-back and throw. It's late in relation to his decision to throw it elsewhere instead, to check it down ,or to a lesser extent to take off running from pressure. 
In other words - right after he chooses a target  - there is sometimes a better one coming free if he'd wait just a beat longer. 
Again - you can find this all over the tape for half the QBs in the league.
His timing in general has always been wildly suspect though -  and I think that this exacerbates the problem with his indecision to throw to the longer developing routes. He doesn't always trust he'll get it there on time if he has more than one defender to worry about it or if he can't put some air under it. 
There was a play in Indy where Westbrook or Moncrief ran an intermediate out route - and the receiver was open for about four strides of the route - but Blake threw it so late the defender had time to close and the receiver had to slow down to keep from running out of bounds. This type of timing is a factor in this discussion as well. He didn't give his guy a chance on what would have been a 20 yard gain.

All of this comes down to how efficiently he can get through his progression of reads and choose the better target.  It's not very efficient and it's obviously inconsistent as well.

Gotcha. I wonder if this is due more to his limitations as a passer. As in "he is not natural thrower of the ball" so he cannot put a little more air/touch on a throw to get over a defender or give a receiver more time. He can get a ball to a spot, but normally with only one kind of trajectory and speed.
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(11-14-2018, 02:06 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:
(11-14-2018, 01:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: It's not necessarily "late" in the grand scheme of a typical NFL drop-back and throw. It's late in relation to his decision to throw it elsewhere instead, to check it down ,or to a lesser extent to take off running from pressure. 
In other words - right after he chooses a target  - there is sometimes a better one coming free if he'd wait just a beat longer. 
Again - you can find this all over the tape for half the QBs in the league.
His timing in general has always been wildly suspect though -  and I think that this exacerbates the problem with his indecision to throw to the longer developing routes. He doesn't always trust he'll get it there on time if he has more than one defender to worry about it or if he can't put some air under it. 
There was a play in Indy where Westbrook or Moncrief ran an intermediate out route - and the receiver was open for about four strides of the route - but Blake threw it so late the defender had time to close and the receiver had to slow down to keep from running out of bounds. This type of timing is a factor in this discussion as well. He didn't give his guy a chance on what would have been a 20 yard gain.

All of this comes down to how efficiently he can get through his progression of reads and choose the better target.  It's not very efficient and it's obviously inconsistent as well.

Gotcha. I wonder if this is due more to his limitations as a passer. As in "he is not natural thrower of the ball" so he cannot put a little more air/touch on a throw to get over a defender or give a receiver more time. He can get a ball to a spot, but normally with only one kind of trajectory and speed.

Yeah. Something like that.  He's playing with some limitations. In my amateur estimation - when he has to put the pass on a rope and step up velocity - his accuracy takes a nosedive. So he's reluctant to make some of those passes or he's being coached not to attempt them until the offense is across midfield.
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