Nobody said anything about him being a starting caliber 3T in his rookie season... I said he constantly flashed while at 3T, which he really only got time at towards the end of this past season. Maybe you only seen two or three splash plays on highlights, but he showed off that ridiculous first step and pure overall strength plenty of times.

He most definitely has plenty of hand placements/techniques he has to work on, but he absolutely showed some rare abilities that you can't teach.

At the end of the day, Bryan was a BPA pick at #29 and not a top 7 pick... You take a DT #7 overall, he better instantly be one of the best players on this Defense, but we all know that isn't going to be the case. Which is why that'd be the worst possible pick this team could make besides maybe DE at #7.

Thats exactly the point I made above, he isn't close to being a starting caliber tackle "yet".  He had a few splash plays but also looked totally lost , doesn't understand how to read blocks , doesn't understand leverage, how to get off doubles etc etc. He's a guy you draft acknowledging that year 1 and year 2 will be developmental years.  

Like every single draft pick he was drafted to fill a need along with being one of the highest on their board. The future need was 3 tech.  

Yeah I don't agree with that draft logic at all. Outside of Calais (who's old and will be gone in 2 years at best) and Yannick, who are our edge rushers? You might not wanna take a DE over some positions but its absolutely an area we need good talent at + there will be some really good guys available at 7.   I can name at least 5 positions I'd prefer to take a DE at #7 over

I'm suppose to take the first part of this post serious, after I read that you're trying to tell me this team needs to draft another DL player in the top 7??......

This team had a top 5 Defense this year, all while dealing with arguably the worst Offense in the entire league and you're really going to sit here and try to justify taking another DL player with a top 7 pick, in a Defensive heavy draft....

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Thats exactly the point I made above, he isn't close to being a starting caliber tackle "yet".  He had a few splash plays but also looked totally lost , doesn't understand how to read blocks , doesn't understand leverage, how to get off doubles etc etc. He's a guy you draft acknowledging that year 1 and year 2 will be developmental years.  

Like every single draft pick he was drafted to fill a need along with being one of the highest on their board. The future need was 3 tech.  

Yeah I don't agree with that draft logic at all. Outside of Calais (who's old and will be gone in 2 years at best) and Yannick, who are our edge rushers? You might not wanna take a DE over some positions but its absolutely an area we need good talent at + there will be some really good guys available at 7.   I can name at least 5 positions I'd prefer to take a DE at #7 over

I'm suppose to take the first part of this post serious, after I read that you're trying to tell me this team needs to draft another DL player in the top 7??......

This team had a top 5 Defense this year, all while dealing with arguably the worst Offense in the entire league and you're really going to sit here and try to justify taking another DL player with a top 7 pick, in a Defensive heavy draft....

Your reading comprehension isn't the best. There's plenty of positions I'd rather take than edge but (and this is the important part to this so pay attention) it is by no means the worst position we could take at 7, like you said. Our backup edges are Lerentee Mcray and Smoot man. Drafting a corner is worse than drafting an edge, drafting a Lb at 7 is worse than edge , drafting a rb at 7 is worse than edge etc etc etc

for example Jachai Polite is a stud pass rusher who is probably there at 7. You think rb is a bigger need there?

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about here tbh Eric.

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I'm suppose to take the first part of this post serious, after I read that you're trying to tell me this team needs to draft another DL player in the top 7??......

This team had a top 5 Defense this year, all while dealing with arguably the worst Offense in the entire league and you're really going to sit here and try to justify taking another DL player with a top 7 pick, in a Defensive heavy draft....

Your reading comprehension isn't the best. There's plenty of positions I'd rather take than edge but (and this is the important part to this so pay attention) it is by no means the worst position we could possibly take at 7, like you said. Our backup edges are Lerentee Mcray and Smoot man. Drafting a corner is worse than drafting an edge, drafting a Lb at 7 is worse than edge , drafting a rb at 7 is worse than edge  etc etc etc   

for example Jachai Polite is a stud pass rusher who is probably there at 7. You think RB at 7 is a bigger need than him?

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about here

Dude you're the one who brought up 3T and DL being a need to begin with because you think Bryan "is a 3-4 year developmental player" and now you're going off on a tirade about edge players, CBs, LBs and RBs...

You're the only one lacking reading comprehension, as well as common sense and any knowledge about this team honestly and all you're doing is showing it...

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Your reading comprehension isn't the best. There's plenty of positions I'd rather take than edge but (and this is the important part to this so pay attention) it is by no means the worst position we could possibly take at 7, like you said. Our backup edges are Lerentee Mcray and Smoot man. Drafting a corner is worse than drafting an edge, drafting a Lb at 7 is worse than edge , drafting a rb at 7 is worse than edge  etc etc etc   

for example Jachai Polite is a stud pass rusher who is probably there at 7. You think RB at 7 is a bigger need than him?

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about here

Dude you're the one who brought up 3T and DL being a need to begin with because you think Bryan "is a 3-4 year developmental player" and now you're going off on a tirade about edge players, CBs, LBs and RBs...

You're the only one lacking reading comprehension, as well as common sense and any knowledge about this team honestly and all you're doing is showing it...

Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player. You would expect him to start putting it all together in year 3 and 4.  Every knew that when we drafted him so I don't know why its unpopular to say now.

"Which is why that'd be the worst possible pick this team could make besides maybe DE at #7"  

This is categorically false. Please tell me more about how a RB at #7 would be a better pick than an edge rusher. I'd rather have Jachai Polite than a safety at #7. I'd rather have Jachai Polite than a LB at #7

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Dude you're the one who brought up 3T and DL being a need to begin with because you think Bryan "is a 3-4 year developmental player" and now you're going off on a tirade about edge players, CBs, LBs and RBs...

You're the only one lacking reading comprehension, as well as common sense and any knowledge about this team honestly and all you're doing is showing it...

Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player. You would expect him to start putting it all together in year 3 and 4.  Every knew that when we drafted him so I don't know why its unpopular to say now.

"Which is why that'd be the worst possible pick this team could make besides maybe DE at #7"  

This is categorically false. Please tell me more about how a RB at #7 would be a better pick than an edge rusher. I'd rather have Jachai Polite than a safety at #7. I'd rather have Jachai Polite than a LB at #7

Other than you saying this now,who else said Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player?  Bryan will be a much improved player this year and was an above average player in his limited time as a rookie

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Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player. You would expect him to start putting it all together in year 3 and 4.  Every knew that when we drafted him so I don't know why its unpopular to say now.

"Which is why that'd be the worst possible pick this team could make besides maybe DE at #7"  

This is categorically false. Please tell me more about how a RB at #7 would be a better pick than an edge rusher. I'd rather have Jachai Polite than a safety at #7. I'd rather have Jachai Polite than a LB at #7

Other than you saying this now,who else said Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player?  Bryan will be a much improved player this year and was an above average player in his limited time as a rookie

Maybe he wasn’t deemed a 3-4 year project universally, but virtually every scouting report on the guy used the words “raw and unpolished.”
Safe to say most of us didn’t expect much from his rookie season.

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Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player. You would expect him to start putting it all together in year 3 and 4.  Every knew that when we drafted him so I don't know why its unpopular to say now.

"Which is why that'd be the worst possible pick this team could make besides maybe DE at #7"  

This is categorically false. Please tell me more about how a RB at #7 would be a better pick than an edge rusher. I'd rather have Jachai Polite than a safety at #7. I'd rather have Jachai Polite than a LB at #7

Other than you saying this now,who else said Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player?  Bryan will be a much improved player this year and was an above average player in his limited time as a rookie

He was a project player with insane physical tools. When you draft raw pass rushers in the first thats usually the development curve you expect, nobody expected anything from rookie Bryan, nobody should be expected him to be good this year (year 2) but year 3 and 4 you expect him to be playing at a good level and getting to the Qb.  

I don't think that sounds outside the realms of what people thought Bryans development should be when we drafted him. Also yeah I didn't see an above average NFL player from Bryan this year (regardless of what PFF says), nor did I expect him to be. He was awful at end , was better at 3 tech of course but not above average in the slightest.

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Other than you saying this now,who else said Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player?  Bryan will be a much improved player this year and was an above average player in his limited time as a rookie

Maybe he wasn’t deemed a 3-4 year project universally, but virtually every scouting report on the guy used the words “raw and unpolished.”
Safe to say most of us didn’t expect much from his rookie season.

He was raw and I didnt expect much from him his rookie season.  JackCity is the first person I have seen say he was a 3 or 4 year project though.  Who else labeled him that?

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Other than you saying this now,who else said Bryan is a 3-4 year developmental player?  Bryan will be a much improved player this year and was an above average player in his limited time as a rookie

He was a project player with insane physical tools. When you draft raw pass rushers in the first thats usually the development curve you expect, nobody expected anything from rookie Bryan, nobody should be expected him to be good this year (year 2) but year 3 and 4 you expect him to be playing at a good level and getting to the Qb.  

I don't think that sounds outside the realms of what people thought Bryans development should be when we drafted him. Also yeah I didn't see an above average NFL player from Bryan this year (regardless of what PFF says), nor did I expect him to be. He was awful at end , was better at 3 tech of course but not above average in the slightest.

He has never been a DE, I dont know why Wash even played him there early on.  When they moved him at 3 tech he showed flashes of why they drafted him so early and started improving pretty much every game regardless of the his sack number was.  I think Bryan will be good this year in his 2nd season, we shall see.

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I'm not saying Bryan will be at his peak this year but what player is? The last few games of the season he was exploding off the snap more and more. With this NFL off season where he dont have to go through the draft process and he can work on his craft and do nothing but get stronger, I see him being the most improved player in 2019

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I'm not saying Bryan will be at his peak this year but what player is?  The last few games of the season he was exploding off the snap more and more.  With this NFL off season where he dont have to go through the draft process and he can work on his craft and do nothing but get stronger, I see him being the most improved player in 2019

I'd be extremely surprised if he didn't improve this season, just think he's far enough away that it'll be year 3/4 before he's actually a good player for us. Don't think that's a wild take.

Still a fan of his , can't really recall a college player with a first step as good as Bryan had his final year. Hopefully Calais had speed up his development a bit with his mentorship

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Wow that sure turned into a tavern Bryan thread. I am a fan of ed Oliver and if we didn't mess up so bad with te wr and qb I would be all for this guy. I think he is going to be very good to great at this level.

Seems kind of like the forgotten guy this year.

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Please demonstrate how Taven Byran looked like a starting caliber tackle this year. "Constantly flashed" is not how anyone would have described Taven Byrans rookie year,even at 3 tech. He had two or three splash plays and otherwise looked totally lost. 

Yeah Taven always should have been at 3 tech vs outside. I still like him and know he'll get better, its just wildly incorrect to think he's starting caliber after his rookie season alone.

Nobody said anything about him being a starting caliber 3T in his rookie season... I said he constantly flashed while at 3T, which he really only got time at towards the end of this past season. Maybe you only seen two or three splash plays on highlights, but he showed off that ridiculous first step and pure overall strength plenty of times.

He most definitely has plenty of hand placements/techniques he has to work on, but he absolutely showed some rare abilities that you can't teach.

At the end of the day, Bryan was a BPA pick at #29 and not a top 7 pick... You take a DT #7 overall, he better instantly be one of the best players on this Defense, but we all know that isn't going to be the case. Which is why that'd be the worst possible pick this team could make besides maybe DE at #7.

I wouldn't say "constantly flashed."

Did he improve over the last four games of the season to the point of "noticeability?"

Yeah.  He even fell into a sack the last week of the season.

But as it stands right now after one year, I rate him only marginally ahead of Tyson Alualu and Renaldo Wynn.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

As it stands now our main source of interior pressure is supposed to be Bryan and Calais when he fills in....that's a huge drop off from what Malik brought

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Nobody said anything about him being a starting caliber 3T in his rookie season... I said he constantly flashed while at 3T, which he really only got time at towards the end of this past season. Maybe you only seen two or three splash plays on highlights, but he showed off that ridiculous first step and pure overall strength plenty of times.

He most definitely has plenty of hand placements/techniques he has to work on, but he absolutely showed some rare abilities that you can't teach.

At the end of the day, Bryan was a BPA pick at #29 and not a top 7 pick... You take a DT #7 overall, he better instantly be one of the best players on this Defense, but we all know that isn't going to be the case. Which is why that'd be the worst possible pick this team could make besides maybe DE at #7.

I wouldn't say "constantly flashed."

Did he improve over the last four games of the season to the point of "noticeability?"

Yeah.  He even fell into a sack the last week of the season.

But as it stands right now after one year, I rate him only marginally ahead of Tyson Alualu and Renaldo Wynn.

He was playing out of position for most of the season. When they played him at the 3 tech, he did much better. I expect a lot of improvement from him this season.

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Nobody said anything about him being a starting caliber 3T in his rookie season... I said he constantly flashed while at 3T, which he really only got time at towards the end of this past season. Maybe you only seen two or three splash plays on highlights, but he showed off that ridiculous first step and pure overall strength plenty of times.

He most definitely has plenty of hand placements/techniques he has to work on, but he absolutely showed some rare abilities that you can't teach.

At the end of the day, Bryan was a BPA pick at #29 and not a top 7 pick... You take a DT #7 overall, he better instantly be one of the best players on this Defense, but we all know that isn't going to be the case. Which is why that'd be the worst possible pick this team could make besides maybe DE at #7.

I wouldn't say "constantly flashed."

Did he improve over the last four games of the season to the point of "noticeability?"

Yeah.  He even fell into a sack the last week of the season.

But as it stands right now after one year, I rate him only marginally ahead of Tyson Alualu and Renaldo Wynn.

When they finally stuck him at 3T for the last few games, yes he did constantly flash. He was showing off that ridiculous first step multiple times per game. Maybe he didn't get credit for the tackles or sacks, but he disrupted and changed multiple plays due to him being in the back field so fast.

I think we'll see a big jump from him next season.

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As it stands now our main source of interior pressure is supposed to be Bryan and Calais when he fills in....that's a huge drop off from what Malik brought

And Dareus and Jones..

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I wouldn't say "constantly flashed."

Did he improve over the last four games of the season to the point of "noticeability?"

Yeah.  He even fell into a sack the last week of the season.

But as it stands right now after one year, I rate him only marginally ahead of Tyson Alualu and Renaldo Wynn.

When they finally stuck him at 3T for the last few games, yes he did constantly flash. He was showing off that ridiculous first step multiple times per game. Maybe he didn't get credit for the tackles or sacks, but he disrupted and changed multiple plays due to him being in the back field so fast.

I think we'll see a big jump from him next season.

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As it stands now our main source of interior pressure is supposed to be Bryan and Calais when he fills in....that's a huge drop off from what Malik brought

And Dareus and Jones..

Dareus is a shell of himself as a pass rusher, Abry has the same amount of career qb hits as malik had this season alone. Bryan is gonna have to step up big time as things stand to replicate what Malik brought us inside the last few years. As the de facto starting 3 tech like some of you have said thats whats to be expected of him in that role

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When they finally stuck him at 3T for the last few games, yes he did constantly flash. He was showing off that ridiculous first step multiple times per game. Maybe he didn't get credit for the tackles or sacks, but he disrupted and changed multiple plays due to him being in the back field so fast.

I think we'll see a big jump from him next season.

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And Dareus and Jones..

Dareus is a shell of himself as a pass rusher, Abrys career high in pressures is around 12. Bryan is gonna have to step up big time as things stand to replicate what Malik brought us inside the last few years. As the de facto starting 3 tech like some of you have said thats whats to be expected of him in that role

Dareus might be a shell of his former self, but that shell is still pretty damn good.. And it's not like they're asking him and Jones to be full time pass rushers..

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Dareus is a shell of himself as a pass rusher, Abrys career high in pressures is around 12. Bryan is gonna have to step up big time as things stand to replicate what Malik brought us inside the last few years. As the de facto starting 3 tech like some of you have said thats whats to be expected of him in that role

Dareus might be a shell of his former self, but that shell is still pretty damn good.. And it's not like they're asking him and Jones to be full time pass rushers..

As a DT? Sure, still good. As a pass rusher, not so much. Yea thats essentially the crux of what I just said, the main source of pressure on the inside now is Bryan and whatever Calais gives when he shifts in.

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Jackson was vastly underrated by the Jags fan base.

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Dareus might be a shell of his former self, but that shell is still pretty damn good.. And it's not like they're asking him and Jones to be full time pass rushers..

As a DT? Sure, still good. As a pass rusher, not so much. Yea thats essentially the crux of what I just said, the main source of pressure on the inside now is Bryan and whatever Calais gives when he shifts in.

I disagree and we'll get to find out this season when he's asked to rush the passer more often and not just focus on the run.

We also haven't even had FA or the draft... So we don't have a clue who might be added still..

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Jackson was vastly underrated by the Jags fan base.

He's a very good player, but he's simply a cap casualty. I'm sure most of us would love to keep him around but there's bigger fish to fry with his cap $$.

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