Or [BLEEP] about.

This IS the Jaguars fan base we are talking about here!

i wanted to say fawn or [BLEEP] about but wanted to be positive lol

Considering I am both a Jaguars fan and one who has [BLEEP] about a pick or picks, I'm not judging.

It means one or both of the following:

1)  You can't please all of the people all of the time;

2)  The Jaguars have made picks that have given us Jaguars fans plenty of reasons to [BLEEP], sad to say.

Hopefully, we have another draft this year equal or better in caliber than our 2016 class.  Hell, I want the Jaguars to have a class this year better than the 1974 Steelers class.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

So what is more important, game tape or workout numbers?

They're both very important. I would probably say 3 cone for EDGE > shuttle for OL > game tape > the rest of the athletic profiles...but they're all close.

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So what is more important, game tape or workout numbers?

Game tape. I wanna know what a guy can actually do on the field, in a game situation. Some guys are "workout warriors" with great numbers who can't put it all together on the field like Rashan Gary and other guys have poor workout numbers, but when it comes to game situations, they thrive. Some people pay way too much attention to Combine numbers and ignore what is on game tape.

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Game tape. I wanna know what a guy can actually do on the field, in a game situation. Some guys are "workout warriors" with great numbers who can't put it all together on the field like Rashan Gary and other guys have poor workout numbers, but when it comes to game situations, they thrive. Some people pay way too much attention to Combine numbers and ignore what is on game tape.

It depends where in the draft you are IMO. If we're talking a top 10 guy like Gary or Jonah, you should be able to find a guy who excels on both tape and in measurables. When you get to day 3 I want to shoot for the upside athletic freaks and hope you can coach them up.

It will be interesting to follow the Gary and Jonah dichotomy though. Athletic freak w/ poor tape vs the great tape subpar athlete. I hope we don't get either, but I will be making sure to follow which has a better career.

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Since Howard was discussed in this thread, I'll leave this bit of trivia here:


https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1120675386759819264

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Since Howard was discussed in this thread, I'll leave this bit of trivia here:


https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1120675386759819264

The Stick to Football podcast guys think the Jags will be keying on Tytus Howard in 3rd-4th round if he there.

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Since Howard was discussed in this thread, I'll leave this bit of trivia here:


https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/1120675386759819264

The Stick to Football podcast guys think the Jags will be keying on Tytus Howard in 3rd-4th round if he there.

I like him in the third based on some pretty crazy upside. He'll be really raw as a rookie though. 
He's a steal in the 4th IMO.

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The buzz on Howard right now is that he's in the late 1st/early 2nd discussion, which is bizarre to me. He's not tall, he's not long, he didn't face good competition, and he is extremely heavy footed. I don't want him at 38. His athletic profile does not bode well for RT to me. I really don't even want someone as lead footed as him at guard, but I'd at least get it a little more in the late 3rd or 4th round. I think/hope he'll be gone to a different team by then though. Let some other team bank on the outliers.

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The buzz on Howard right now is that he's in the late 1st/early 2nd discussion, which is bizarre to me. He's not tall, he's not long, he didn't face good competition, and he is extremely heavy footed. I don't want him at 38. His athletic profile does not bode well for RT to me. I really don't even want someone as lead footed as him at guard, but I'd at least get it a little more in the late 3rd or 4th round. I think/hope he'll be gone to a different team by then though. Let some other team bank on the outliers.

I'm not seeing many folks going with that buzz. I see "round 4" much more than I see "round 2" reading about this guy.  I also see contradictory scouting reports from yours concerning his feet. 

Functional Athleticism -He's pretty fleet of foot and shows little issue with playing in space. He's guilty of letting his feet narrow and break down his base as he tries to shadow smaller defenders. He'll have little problem working to set points in space in screen game thanks to mobility. 

Anchor Ability -Functional strength looks to be present and he carries a lot of mass below the waist, which should aid in his efforts to continue to clean up his anchor as his leverage gets better. 
Flexibility -He doesn't appear to have any glaring deficiencies in mobility, he's got the needed reach in his cleaner pass sets to get depth off of the LOS. He's flashed nice hip hinge to open to wider angled pass rushers as well, it's just not there from muscle memory perspective. 

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Feet - Moves his feet with ease and ideal speed. With that set, he has a long way to go with developing his kickslide and eliminating a false step into his sets. Base has a tendency to narrow and cause control issues. Feet often deaden on contact.

Versatility - Has exclusively played right tackle in college after converting from tight end. Range and lateral mobility may be better suited for duties in a zone scheme. Has upside on the move and in pass pro but he needs to get stronger and improve technique.

BEST TRAIT - Mobility
WORST TRAIT - Functional Strength
RED FLAGS - None

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By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
Draft Projection
Round 2
NFL Comparison
Desmond Harrison
Overview
Ascending tackle prospect who will require additional work with technique and in the weight room to fully realize his potential. Howard is a gifted athlete with rare quickness and fluidity as both a run and pass blocker and his play issues are correctable with more work. While he will be dinged for level of competition, his upside was on full display with his play against Auburn. He needs development, but he's much more than a developmental prospect and could find a starter's spot within his first two years.
Strengths

• Former high school quarterback with high-end athletic ability
  
  
• Knee-bender who is extremely smooth and fluid in pass sets
  
  
• Plenty of quickness in slides to meet speed specialists at top of the rush arc
  
  
• Mirrors to keep defenders in front of him like a defensive specialist in hoops
  
  
• Attacks rushers with jabs and counters rather than predictable punch
  
  
• Maintains posture while re-setting hands, which protects against counters
  
  
• Locked down Auburn's edge rushers for most of the matchup
  
  
• Operates with quickness and timing to thrive on second level as run blocker
  
  
• Continues working hips and feet to gain positioning advantage after engagement
  

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Maybe he does look fleet of foot vs Alabama Statesque competition. But a 25th percentile shuttle and an 8th (!) percentile 3 cone would strongly suggest you should be wary if you think he's going to be your teams answer at tackle. Take at your own risk.

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Just seen the special on Risner on path to the draft. He is just as good a person as he is player. Dream scenario would be Hockenson and Risner

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Maybe he does look fleet of foot vs Alabama Statesque competition. But a 25th percentile shuttle and an 8th (!) percentile 3 cone would strongly suggest you should be wary if you think he's going to be your teams answer at tackle. Take at your own risk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVBVpVzWLoY

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The buzz on Howard right now is that he's in the late 1st/early 2nd discussion, which is bizarre to me. He's not tall, he's not long, he didn't face good competition, and he is extremely heavy footed. I don't want him at 38. His athletic profile does not bode well for RT to me. I really don't even want someone as lead footed as him at guard, but I'd at least get it a little more in the late 3rd or 4th round. I think/hope he'll be gone to a different team by then though. Let some other team bank on the outliers.

I'm not seeing many folks going with that buzz.

Oh there was buzz, now we all get to hope I am right too.

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thank god philly sniped the Texans, that was ice cold

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thank god philly sniped the Texans, that was ice cold

Heroic effort by the Iggles,

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thank god philly sniped the Texans, that was ice cold

Heroic effort by the Iggles,

after the titans took simmons i said to pals that we need the houston to find a way to panic and take a tackle like Greg Little. The lord answered with Howard

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We definitely got a leg up on the division last night

Jags- top 4 player in the draft
Colts- didn't have a pock
Titans- a guy that probably wont play all year
Texans- a tackle project that is raw and most likely have a bumpy road his rookie year.

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We definitely got a leg up on the division last night

Jags- top 4 player in the draft
Colts- didn't have a pock
Titans- a guy that probably wont play all year
Texans- a tackle project that is raw and most likely have a bumpy road his rookie year.

maybe, the colts front office being very intelligent and the titans getting a top 5 talent still hurts us though. We can all agree the texans lost though.

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We definitely got a leg up on the division last night

Jags- top 4 player in the draft
Colts- didn't have a pock
Titans- a guy that probably wont play all year
Texans- a tackle project that is raw and most likely have a bumpy road his rookie year.

maybe, the colts front office being very intelligent and the titans getting a top 5 talent still hurts us though. We can all agree the texans lost though.

I'm gonna say we won last night out by a long shot of all the teams in our division.  

Gotta keep it up day 2

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What was the three cone number  short shuttle  you said you like to target for these guys?

Risner ran a 4.52
Little 4.72
Howard 4.87

I'm curious if any of these players fit Caldwells tendencies as well as the threshold you value for shuttle times.

Norris' chart says 4.47 is the "don't double count" elite mark that makes you almost a guaranteed long term starter. Dillard is the only one that achieved that this year with his bonkers 4.40. Justis says 4.75 is the low end of the threshold, taken from reverse engineering the Packers tendencies and results. Any team that has found Bulaga, Bakhtiari, Sitton, Lang, Linsley, and Tretter (the last 5 all round 4 or later!) is who I want to emulate.

Risner is the one dude from the first two tiers of the article you posted that I'd be very happy with. But I fear he's almost a lock to be gone in the 20s, very possibly to the Texans. In another thread I asked if you would be willing to give up our Rams 3rd rounder to trade up to the late 20s if Risner happened to fall there but I don't think you saw it. I think I'd be ok with doing that.

Went in the 2nd.  Sounds familiar

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