I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.

Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports.  Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?

I think the issue is more that he wasn't asked to go out in pass coverage often since he's usually blitzing on passing downs. From the games of his I've watched, he did fine every time he did cover someone, however, if he wasn't blitzing it was more often a run play. Now Allen is very good in run support because he elongates his body side-to-side very quickly and he's a sure tackler.

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I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.

Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree

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I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.

Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree

Same. I heard he excelled at just about anything they asked him to do at Kentucky. Maybe he's the player Todd Wash finally needs to make his defense come more to life. Trying to remember how Seattle used Bruce Irvin during his four year stint up there. I think they had him play everywhere too. Probably going to be similar with how Allen gets worked into the defense.

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I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.

Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports.  Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?

I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.

Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree

Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482

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Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports.  Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?

Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree

Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482

While that "rating" doesn't sound good, the 20 targets on 145 snaps means he was doing something right quite often when dropping back or he'd have been picked on more. 

Regardless, I don't anticipate it being a major role for him here, especially right away.

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Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports.  Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?

Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree

Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482

Yes he graded highly and forced 6 incompletions on 20 targets this year. Graded even higher last year too

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Yes he graded highly and forced 6 incompletions on 20 targets this year.

Out of only 35 draft eligible EDGES he was graded 30th in yards per cover snap and 28th in passer rating against. That's just not good. Let him go after the QB and forget the rest. Like I said, that's far more valuable and he's far better at it anyway.

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Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482

Yes he graded highly and forced 6 incompletions on 20 targets this year.

How do you know he forced 6 incompletions? They could have been bad passes or dropped.

I was a little taken back by the QB rating, but then I remembered this is college. A 107 college QB rating is way lower than a 107 NFL QB rating. 

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Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports.  Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?

Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree

Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482

14 rec. and 148 yards given up on 145 coverage snaps is damn good for a LB lol.  So yes, that is pretty good.  Are you just going off that tweet as usual or do you have some plays/games to use as an example of him not being so good in coverage?

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/dr...top-5-pick

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Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482

14 rec. and 148 yards given up on 145 coverage snaps is damn good for a LB lol.  So yes, that is pretty good.  Are you just going off that tweet as usual or do you have some plays/games to use as an example of him not being so good in coverage?

You're really asking if I watched every snap of every game again to watch for 20 targets? Get real. That's just an easy excuse for you to be able to shrug off any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like.

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He’s dropped into coverage 300 times over the last two seasons, far more than any other top edge defender in this draft class. While most edges drop into “curl/flat” responsibilities where most plays are made working downhill in condensed space, Allen has shown the ability to run down the field with tight ends and running backs while showing impressive catch-point ball skills.

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It's really hard to judge based of number of coverage snaps. We've all seen how chronically underused beast TE like Howard/Kittle/Hock/etc were used in college. Same w/ RB really. Show me what happened when they were targeted though.

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14 rec. and 148 yards given up on 145 coverage snaps is damn good for a LB lol.  So yes, that is pretty good.  Are you just going off that tweet as usual or do you have some plays/games to use as an example of him not being so good in coverage?

You're really asking if I watched every snap of every game again to watch for 20 targets? Get real. That's just an easy excuse for you to be able to shrug off any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like.

Overall, Allen forced six incompletions on only 21 targets last season while grading at 78.3 in coverage, a year removed from grading at 83.2.

If Allen wasn’t so good as a pass-rusher, he’d be a viable off-the-ball linebacker with valuable coverage skills. Of course, an ideal scenario has Allen tapping into both his pass-rushing and coverage ability on passing downs, and a creative defensive coordinator can use him to keep opposing offenses off balance.

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You're really asking if I watched every snap of every game again to watch for 20 targets? Get real. That's just an easy excuse for you to be able to shrug off any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like.

Overall, Allen forced six incompletions on only 21 targets last season while grading at 78.3 in coverage, a year removed from grading at 83.2.

If Allen wasn’t so good as a pass-rusher, he’d be a viable off-the-ball linebacker with valuable coverage skills. Of course, an ideal scenario has Allen tapping into both his pass-rushing and coverage ability on passing downs, and a creative defensive coordinator can use him to keep opposing offenses off balance.

So exactly like I said. Eschew any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like. Fun. Especially since it's the same source.

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Overall, Allen forced six incompletions on only 21 targets last season while grading at 78.3 in coverage, a year removed from grading at 83.2.

If Allen wasn’t so good as a pass-rusher, he’d be a viable off-the-ball linebacker with valuable coverage skills. Of course, an ideal scenario has Allen tapping into both his pass-rushing and coverage ability on passing downs, and a creative defensive coordinator can use him to keep opposing offenses off balance.

So exactly like I said. Eschew any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like. Fun. Especially since it's the same source.

There is 3 separate clips of him in that link and one of him running with Sternberger down field a great pass breakup.  I gave my opinion based on what I've seen from him.  I seen a few a Kentucky games a year being that play in the SEC and teams tried to stay away from Allen.  You say I used the same source then why did you say he isn't very good in coverage when they are praising his coverage skills lol?  You are making no sense

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So much for PFF being the be all and end all.......

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So much for PFF being the be all and end all.......

It's very much like them to take one stat and imply he's good in coverage, then turn around and tweet a different stat to imply he is not. 

Those old adages about statistics being used to say anything you want ring true here.

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Overall, Allen forced six incompletions on only 21 targets last season while grading at 78.3 in coverage, a year removed from grading at 83.2.

If Allen wasn’t so good as a pass-rusher, he’d be a viable off-the-ball linebacker with valuable coverage skills. Of course, an ideal scenario has Allen tapping into both his pass-rushing and coverage ability on passing downs, and a creative defensive coordinator can use him to keep opposing offenses off balance.

So exactly like I said. Eschew any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like. Fun. Especially since it's the same source.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

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So exactly like I said. Eschew any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like. Fun. Especially since it's the same source.

There is 3 separate clips of him in that link and one of him running with Sternberger down field a great pass breakup.  I gave my opinion based on what I've seen from him.  I seen a few a Kentucky games a year being that play in the SEC and teams tried to stay away from Allen.  You say I used the same source then why did you say he isn't very good in coverage when they are praising his coverage skills lol?  You are making no sense

A whole 3 separate clips out of over 300 coverage snaps. And one of them was only a breakup because the QB was pressured and made a bad underthrow to what was a wide open receiver.

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