Cam led the league in pressures allowed, gave up a league high 3+ pressures in a whopping 10 different games, and was like 4th in penalties as a rookie. He was awful sorry. I am really not a fan of revisionist history.

Yeah if I recall correctly he had some rookie struggles vs some of the league's best pass rushers. But he was only responsible for giving up 2 sacks. And in 29 of his 31 starts he was either a rookie or coming off a major injury. I don't think he's put enough tape out there to call him a bust. But that's just me personally.

Don't get it twisted, I'm all about moving Cam inside or replacing him if there is a better LT to replace him with.
I'm just not ready to replace him with a guy most of the experts (ya know guys who know more than us and get paid so) pin as a RT or OG in the NFL.
But I'm all about drafting Wirfs since most of the experts consider he could be an all-pro guard.
I'm even open to the idea of him competing with Cam Robinson if the coaches want to see what he's got. I'm just not sure why you think a guy with like 3 total starts at LT in college is going to come in and be substantially better than what we have now.... But maybe you get paid to scout for the NFL or something and just hang out here for fun?

Calling for Cam to move inside isn't calling him a bust. What might have happened if the Giants (or us) moved Flowers to guard? He went to actually quite good for the Redskins and earned a $10M AAV payday. Maybe one of his former teams could have benefited from trying that instead of keeping him pigeon holes in a position he clearly wasn't equipped for.

Moving positions is all about knowing what traits a position needs and what traits a player has. At least theoretically. Like what we're doing with Myles Jack. He has never played WILL yet everyone on the boards (and the FO for that matter) assumes he will be much better there because he has traits that align to the position. It's the same thing with Wirfs at tackle...except that he has actually done it before and did it quite well.

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Moving players around isn't conducive to their development early on as an offensive lineman. If they take Wirfs at #9 it's going to be to play LT bar Cam turning into an actually good LT in this offseason. 

Wirfs has all the traits to play LT, has the athletic ability, has actually good tape there (even if 200 odd snaps) and it's the more valuable spot too. So yeah the only reason not to play him there is Cam becoming something he hasn't shown yet, and his contract is up soon too

Also Cam is a terrible comp for Wirfs

Then why did the coaches play him at RT?

Because the easiest way to get Wirfs on the field as a true freshman was RT, then he just stayed there as they already had an all conference LT in 2018 and swapping wouldn't have made sense for either of them.

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Then why did the coaches play him at RT?

Because the easiest way to get Wirfs on the field as a true freshman was RT, then he just stayed there as they already had an all conference LT in 2018 and swapping wouldn't have made sense for either of them.

If the coaches felt he would of been best there they would of played him there last year.  I dont think you would get the most out of Wirfs at LT

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Because the easiest way to get Wirfs on the field as a true freshman was RT, then he just stayed there as they already had an all conference LT in 2018 and swapping wouldn't have made sense for either of them.

If the coaches felt he would of been best there they would of played him there last year.  I dont think you would get the most out of Wirfs at LT

Even if they thought Wirfs was better at LT long term that doesn't mean it would make any sense to switch the two guys. They had an all conference LT and a very good RT in Wirfs, its no guarantee that LT would be as good learning a new spot, especially with his technique flaws, and vice versa Wirfs has played RT for the vast majority of his career so there would be a learning curve there even if he projects very well there in the NFL. If you want a direct comparison just look at Trent Williams, played 95% of his college career at RT for Oklahoma , but everyone knew he had the traits to play LT.  

Which traits do you think Wirfs lacks to play LT?

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If the coaches felt he would of been best there they would of played him there last year.  I dont think you would get the most out of Wirfs at LT

Even if they thought Wirfs was better at LT long term that doesn't mean it would make any sense to switch the two guys. They had an all conference LT and a very good RT in Wirfs, its no guarantee that LT would be as good learning a new spot, especially with his technique flaws, and vice versa Wirfs has played RT for the vast majority of his career so there would be a learning curve there even if he projects very well there in the NFL. If you want a direct comparison just look at Trent Williams, played 95% of his college career at RT for Oklahoma , but everyone knew he had the traits to play LT.  

Which traits do you think Wirfs lacks to play LT?

I didn't say he cant play LT, I just think he is best suited to play on the right side as did the coaches.  I think Marshal Yanda is a better comparison as they both went to the same school, both played RT, and both could play RG at a high level.

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Even if they thought Wirfs was better at LT long term that doesn't mean it would make any sense to switch the two guys. They had an all conference LT and a very good RT in Wirfs, its no guarantee that LT would be as good learning a new spot, especially with his technique flaws, and vice versa Wirfs has played RT for the vast majority of his career so there would be a learning curve there even if he projects very well there in the NFL. If you want a direct comparison just look at Trent Williams, played 95% of his college career at RT for Oklahoma , but everyone knew he had the traits to play LT.  

Which traits do you think Wirfs lacks to play LT?

I didn't say he cant play LT, I just think he is best suited to play on the right side as did the coaches.  I think Marshal Yanda is a better comparison as they both went to the same school, both played RT, and both could play RG at a high level.

You know what position Yanda played as a rookie too right?

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Even if they thought Wirfs was better at LT long term that doesn't mean it would make any sense to switch the two guys. They had an all conference LT and a very good RT in Wirfs, its no guarantee that LT would be as good learning a new spot, especially with his technique flaws, and vice versa Wirfs has played RT for the vast majority of his career so there would be a learning curve there even if he projects very well there in the NFL. If you want a direct comparison just look at Trent Williams, played 95% of his college career at RT for Oklahoma , but everyone knew he had the traits to play LT.  

Which traits do you think Wirfs lacks to play LT?

I didn't say he cant play LT, I just think he is best suited to play on the right side as did the coaches.  I think Marshal Yanda is a better comparison as they both went to the same school, both played RT, and both could play RG at a high level.

Some teams will happily play him at RT and he'll be great there too. Just in our scenario we already have a promising young RT so we'd play him at LT, some other teams with strong RTs already would do the same. 

My point of the Trent comparison is showing that even though he played RT in college, his traits and athletic ability allowed him to play LT at a high level in the NFL. I think that's super similar to Wirfs. Like we've discussed before I think he would be v good at all 5 spots on the line , so you play him at the most valuable one at a position of need until he fails there imo (or Cam actually becomes v good)

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#9
Head: DT - Brown 
Heart: DT - Brown
Gut: DT - Brown

#20
Head: DT Kinlaw
Heart: DT Kinlaw
Gut: CB Henderson 

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LOVE THEM JAGUARS!

#9
Head: DT - Brown 
Heart: DT - Brown
Gut: DT - Brown

#20
Head: DT Kinlaw
Heart: DT Kinlaw
Gut: CB Henderson 

Lol, you think like me

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Just say no to Brown. One of the OTs should be the easy pick if Okudah and Simmons are off the board.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-nfl-teams-s...-in-talent

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Just say no to Brown. One of the OTs should be the easy pick if Okudah and Simmons are off the board.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-nfl-teams-s...-in-talent

If the only thing Brown could do was stop the run then I would agree but he is more than just a run stopper. Sometimes I question if you have ever seen some of these guys play. Brown is a monster that can do both

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Just say no to Brown. One of the OTs should be the easy pick if Okudah and Simmons are off the board.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-nfl-teams-s...-in-talent

If the only thing Brown could do was stop the run then I would agree but he is more than just a run stopper. Sometimes I question if you have ever seen some of these guys play. Brown is a monster that can do both

He was able to overpower college interior lineman that are going to be selling cars or insurance now. Will he be able to do that against lineman who are quicker and more agile than him, and also just as big now?

I'm far from the only person who questions that. Me saying that he will be a fine not great pass rusher is actually generous compared to a lot of people, there have been quotes from anonymous GMs and scouts that have said they think he's only a 2 down player.

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Nine

Head - Brown. Got to get better at DT, if he’s there
Heart - Simmons. We’d probably waste his talent, but what a talent.
Gut - Henderson. We reach for another Florida player. 

Twenty
Head - Jackson or Jones (basically the best OT)
Heart - Higgins. I’d love us to get a big contested-catch guy 
Gut - A reach for a DT probably.

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If the only thing Brown could do was stop the run then I would agree but he is more than just a run stopper.  Sometimes I question if you have ever seen some of these guys play.  Brown is a monster that can do both

He was able to overpower college interior lineman that are going to be selling cars or insurance now. Will he be able to do that against lineman who are quicker and more agile than him, and also just as big now?

I'm far from the only person who questions that. Me saying that he will be a fine not great pass rusher is actually generous compared to a lot of people, there have been quotes from anonymous GMs and scouts that have said they think he's only a 2 down player.

He was able to overpower linemen who will start in the NFL too to be fair, including some of the strongest linemen in this class. 

Shows enough pass rush for me to feel safe with him as a top 15 player. Not going to be elite, but above average is very attainable with how good his pressure and disruption has been despite lots of doubles.

Think the impact of a pocket pusher in how they open things up for everyone else is undersold too. 

I actually feel Brown is a pretty easy analysis in that regard. The more difficult one is Kinlaw who I'd project as a better pass rusher yet is A) More raw than Brown B) Production red flags his whole career and C) Doesn't actually have any testing numbers (but that I think he wouldn't have tested well). 

Anyway, both top 15 players easily, will be happy with either at #9

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#9

Head: Simmons BAP
Heart: Simmons BAP
Gut: Brown or Wirfs (and he is gonna end up as a bust)

#20

Head: Terrell or Henderson
Heart: Terrell or Henderson
Gut: Henderson or Andrew Thomas (bust too)

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#9

Head: Simmons BAP
Heart: Simmons BAP
Gut: Brown or Wirfs (and he is gonna end up as a bust)

#20

Head: Terrell or Henderson
Heart: Terrell or Henderson
Gut: Henderson or Andrew Thomas (bust too)

You dont like any of the olineman?

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#9

Head: Simmons BAP
Heart: Simmons BAP
Gut: Brown or Wirfs (and he is gonna end up as a bust)

#20

Head: Terrell or Henderson
Heart: Terrell or Henderson
Gut: Henderson or Andrew Thomas (bust too)

You dont like any of the olineman?

Wills at 9 but don't think he will be available.
At 20 Austin Jackson maybe.

At 9 I think Simmons could be there and be the BAP (kinda like Allen last year). I am also ok with Brown or Wills.

Not sure about Becton.

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#9

Head: Jeff Okudah
Heart: Isaiah Simmons
Gut: Mekhi Becton

#20

Head: Yetur Gross-Matos (very underrated IMO. Goodbye Yan, welcome Yetur)
Heart: CJ Henderson
Gut: Trevon Diggs

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Head: Thomas
Heart: Brown
Gut: Kinlaw

Head: McKinney
Heart: Winfield
Gut: Gladney

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Because the easiest way to get Wirfs on the field as a true freshman was RT, then he just stayed there as they already had an all conference LT in 2018 and swapping wouldn't have made sense for either of them.

If the coaches felt he would of been best there they would of played him there last year.  I dont think you would get the most out of Wirfs at LT

Wow, that sure is interesting.... 

https://twitter.com/TheBrownsWire/status...15425?s=19

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I would disagree with that, if we're just going by PFF grade scale for the simplicity of it...I would much rather have an 80 grade OT than a 90 OG. Second, there's no reason that Wirfs wouldn't be as good at tackle as he would be at guard. Especially considering the tackles we already have.

Wirfs played 30 games at RT and 4 at LT.
If you can plug and play Wirfs at G and he's as good as some of the best guards in the league, why not play him there?

Even IF he can play tackle, why not let him start at guard and then move to tackle when/if you move on from Cam.
Or let them openly compete for the job with the loser sliding to guard?

Lance Zeirlein at NFL.com puts him as a RT or G. And comps him to Bryan Bulaga.
3 out 4 guys at The Draft Network essentially slot him as a guard (or RT) with one comp being CAM ROBINSON
Daniel Jeremiah projects Wirfs as an elite guard prospect.

What do you know that they don't? PFF grades? People need to stop going to the site man lol
Taylor is our RT, for at least another couple seasons. So if you like Wirfs and want him on the roster, he's going to start at RG, the only spot on the line that was in flux last season.
If you're looking for a Cam Robinson replacement/upgrade you should be hoping for Becton, Jones, or maybe Wills (though he only played RT, it was the blindside of Tua's offense)

Thoughts? 

https://twitter.com/TheBrownsWire/status...15425?s=19

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