"Ooooooh and the land of the freeeeeeeeeeeee"

It's cute how you don't know the words. Not that we expect you to, but good comedy requires you to get the delivery right.

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Federal agents have the authority to investigate violations of federal crimes. If sufficient probable cause, or reasonable suspicion, exist then federal agents / officers have the legal authority to arrest and detain the suspect just as local law enforcement does. With the number of events surrounding government buildings, it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re investigating those incidents.

Just because we don’t know why they’re being arrested, it doesn’t mean they don’t have the authority.

Marty already told you that it's unConstitutional. Stop with your alternative facts.

JagNGeorgia is correct.   Federal agents can investigate violations of federal law.  They cannot enforce local laws.  Re-read my posts, and you can see, that is what I have been saying.   Federal agents cannot enforce local laws.  So, absent a request from local authorities, they cannot go into a city to "restore law and order."  That's unconstitutional.  That power is reserved to the states.  

For example, if Trump had sent in federal troops to dismantle the erstwhile "chop zone," that would have been unconstitutional.

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Maybe they can just arrest these juggalos on federal crimes like smoking meth or terrorism?

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aaaaannnnnd the homeeee of the braaaaaaaaaveeeeeeeeeeee

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I still say remove the protestors rioters and looters by whatever means necessary.  Lock them up for a while.  It's not like they have jobs to go to or anything.

To you liberals claiming that it's "unconstitutional", well... it's written right in the preamble.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

These "BLM/Antifa" communists/socialists are pretty much against justice and domestic Tranquility.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

No way that could be staged. Actually, as easily as the detention went ... It looks REALLY staged. Who would detain a protester that is that willing to give up? You have to have better proof than that.

No one is denying that this is happening.  Even the head of the DHS, the ones who are doing it, is saying this is happening.  So I really don't understand why you would be skeptical, Sammy.  The head of DHS says he intends to do it all over the country.  

And for all of you who think this is all just fine because "law and order blah blah blah..." think of the consequences when the federal government can decide it doesn't like the way states are enforcing the law, so they send in federal agents to enforce local laws.  That is a complete loss of state sovereignty.   The Constitution of the United States says that the states, and not the federal government, have the only power to enforce local laws.  So the President cannot just go out and round up protesters.  He does not have that power under the Constitution.   

It's entirely possible that we are going to have a situation where the local police witness federal agents kidnapping someone and decide to arrest those federal agents.  That will be interesting.

No, not that ... This particular video looks like a staged detention (to only me, I guess).

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I still say remove the protestors rioters and looters by whatever means necessary.  Lock them up for a while.  It's not like they have jobs to go to or anything.

To you liberals claiming that it's "unconstitutional", well... it's written right in the preamble.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

These "BLM/Antifa" communists/socialists are pretty much against justice and domestic Tranquility.

I advise you both, to reread that preamble and look up what the words “Tranquillity” and “general welfare” mean. 

These unnamed militias are causing more unrest rather than public good. The idea is to Quell the unrest not provoke it. Which is exactly what they are doing. 

And for gods sake, against justice and tranquility , are you joking? Do you have any idea why they are protesting in the first place? 

I wish I could understand you guys. Like really I do. I just don’t see how in the world you look at Trump and think “yeah he’s great! He’s bringing people together, racism doesn’t exist, these kids aren’t being locked in cages, federal officials are taking people off the streets with no probable cause, but hell you gotta keep the peace right?” 

How are you guys this passive to what’s going on? It makes no sense, even if you are a life long republican. Is there anyone out there on the message board, That can reasonably And rationally tell me why They want Trump?

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I can, but you have to be willing to accept the premise that there are legitimately bad actors working to dismantle the United States. I would much rather vote for someone with dignity, but if the alternative to Trump is going to allow this nonsense to continue, I'm voting Trump. I didn't vote for him last time, but I feel compelled to do so this time.

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I still say remove the protestors rioters and looters by whatever means necessary.  Lock them up for a while.  It's not like they have jobs to go to or anything.

To you liberals claiming that it's "unconstitutional", well... it's written right in the preamble.



These "BLM/Antifa" communists/socialists are pretty much against justice and domestic Tranquility.

I advise you both, to reread that preamble and look up what the words “Tranquillity” and “general welfare” mean. 

These unnamed militias are causing more unrest rather than public good. The idea is to Quell the unrest not provoke it. Which is exactly what they are doing. 

And for gods sake, against justice and tranquility , are you joking? Do you have any idea why they are protesting in the first place? 

I wish I could understand you guys. Like really I do. I just don’t see how in the world you look at Trump and think “yeah he’s great! He’s bringing people together, racism doesn’t exist, these kids aren’t being locked in cages, federal officials are taking people off the streets with no probable cause, but hell you gotta keep the peace right?” 

How are you guys this passive to what’s going on? It makes no sense, even if you are a life long republican. Is there anyone out there on the message board, That can reasonably And rationally tell me why They want Trump?

Let me preface by saying I voted 3rd party in 2016.

Trump has the right message.  You may not want to hear that but essentially it is true.  Make America Great Again.  Put America first when dealing with the rest of the world.  Stop carrying the load for our allies, let them pay their share.  Bring jobs that have been sent overseas back to America and strengthen the middle class.  Drain the swamp.  Get these career politicians and the lobbyists that control them out of Washington.  Give the country back to the people.  Honestly can any rational American argue with that message?  

Trump also has another quality in he can’t be bought.  He may be self serving and everyone I know that supports him is completely aware of that.  Doesn’t change the fact that he is an outsider and is not influenced by the normal DC Bureaucracy.

Counter that with Biden who has been an inside the beltway politician for going on 50 years and tells us every chance he gets that Trump after being a politician for less than 4 years is what is wrong with the country and he is going to fix it.  He has had nearly 50 years to fix Washington but NOW he is finally going to do it.   

You are 100% correct that Trump has all the couth and finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop.  The fact that 4 years later the left refuses to even consider the appeal of what a Donald J. Trump brings to a large portion of the country is exactly why he gets so much support.  Heck the left is so oblivious that they are doubling down and going even farther to the left.

To surmise, Trump warts and all offers something that no career politician can, something different.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

I advise you both, to reread that preamble and look up what the words “Tranquillity” and “general welfare” mean. 

These unnamed militias are causing more unrest rather than public good. The idea is to Quell the unrest not provoke it. Which is exactly what they are doing. 

And for gods sake, against justice and tranquility , are you joking? Do you have any idea why they are protesting in the first place? 

I wish I could understand you guys. Like really I do. I just don’t see how in the world you look at Trump and think “yeah he’s great! He’s bringing people together, racism doesn’t exist, these kids aren’t being locked in cages, federal officials are taking people off the streets with no probable cause, but hell you gotta keep the peace right?” 

How are you guys this passive to what’s going on? It makes no sense, even if you are a life long republican. Is there anyone out there on the message board, That can reasonably And rationally tell me why They want Trump?

Let me preface by saying I voted 3rd party in 2016.

Trump has the right message.  You may not want to hear that but essentially it is true.  Make America Great Again.  Put America first when dealing with the rest of the world.  Stop carrying the load for our allies, let them pay their share.  Bring jobs that have been sent overseas back to America and strengthen the middle class.  Drain the swamp.  Get these career politicians and the lobbyists that control them out of Washington.  Give the country back to the people.  Honestly can any rational American argue with that message?  

Trump also has another quality in he can’t be bought.  He may be self serving and everyone I know that supports him is completely aware of that.  Doesn’t change the fact that he is an outsider and is not influenced by the normal DC Bureaucracy.

Counter that with Biden who has been an inside the beltway politician for going on 50 years and tells us every chance he gets that Trump after being a politician for less than 4 years is what is wrong with the country and he is going to fix it.  He has had nearly 50 years to fix Washington but NOW he is finally going to do it.   

You are 100% correct that Trump has all the couth and finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop.  The fact that 4 years later the left refuses to even consider the appeal of what a Donald J. Trump brings to a large portion of the country is exactly why he gets so much support.  Heck the left is so oblivious that they are doubling down and going even farther to the left.

To surmise, Trump warts and all offers something that no career politician can, something different.

Solid post. Are you going to vote 3rd party again in November?

I have faith that when the curtain closes behind people in that booth, they see Joe Biden for everything you just mentioned. Not to mention, the Hunter Biden gloves are about to come off soon. We ain't seen nothin' yet.

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I advise you both, to reread that preamble and look up what the words “Tranquillity” and “general welfare” mean. 

These unnamed militias are causing more unrest rather than public good. The idea is to Quell the unrest not provoke it. Which is exactly what they are doing. 

And for gods sake, against justice and tranquility , are you joking? Do you have any idea why they are protesting in the first place? 

I wish I could understand you guys. Like really I do. I just don’t see how in the world you look at Trump and think “yeah he’s great! He’s bringing people together, racism doesn’t exist, these kids aren’t being locked in cages, federal officials are taking people off the streets with no probable cause, but hell you gotta keep the peace right?” 

How are you guys this passive to what’s going on? It makes no sense, even if you are a life long republican. Is there anyone out there on the message board, That can reasonably And rationally tell me why They want Trump?

Let me preface by saying I voted 3rd party in 2016.

Trump has the right message.  You may not want to hear that but essentially it is true.  Make America Great Again.  Put America first when dealing with the rest of the world.  Stop carrying the load for our allies, let them pay their share.  Bring jobs that have been sent overseas back to America and strengthen the middle class.  Drain the swamp.  Get these career politicians and the lobbyists that control them out of Washington.  Give the country back to the people.  Honestly can any rational American argue with that message?  

Trump also has another quality in he can’t be bought.  He may be self serving and everyone I know that supports him is completely aware of that.  Doesn’t change the fact that he is an outsider and is not influenced by the normal DC Bureaucracy.

Counter that with Biden who has been an inside the beltway politician for going on 50 years and tells us every chance he gets that Trump after being a politician for less than 4 years is what is wrong with the country and he is going to fix it.  He has had nearly 50 years to fix Washington but NOW he is finally going to do it.   

You are 100% correct that Trump has all the couth and finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop.  The fact that 4 years later the left refuses to even consider the appeal of what a Donald J. Trump brings to a large portion of the country is exactly why he gets so much support.  Heck the left is so oblivious that they are doubling down and going even farther to the left.

To surmise, Trump warts and all offers something that no career politician can, something different.

how is Trump getting rid of the lobbyists in Washington when he's placing them in actual political roles?

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I advise you both, to reread that preamble and look up what the words “Tranquillity” and “general welfare” mean. 

These unnamed militias are causing more unrest rather than public good. The idea is to Quell the unrest not provoke it. Which is exactly what they are doing. 

And for gods sake, against justice and tranquility , are you joking? Do you have any idea why they are protesting in the first place? 

I wish I could understand you guys. Like really I do. I just don’t see how in the world you look at Trump and think “yeah he’s great! He’s bringing people together, racism doesn’t exist, these kids aren’t being locked in cages, federal officials are taking people off the streets with no probable cause, but hell you gotta keep the peace right?” 

How are you guys this passive to what’s going on? It makes no sense, even if you are a life long republican. Is there anyone out there on the message board, That can reasonably And rationally tell me why They want Trump?

Let me preface by saying I voted 3rd party in 2016.

Trump has the right message.  You may not want to hear that but essentially it is true.  Make America Great Again.  Put America first when dealing with the rest of the world.  Stop carrying the load for our allies, let them pay their share.  Bring jobs that have been sent overseas back to America and strengthen the middle class.  Drain the swamp.  Get these career politicians and the lobbyists that control them out of Washington.  Give the country back to the people.  Honestly can any rational American argue with that message?  

Trump also has another quality in he can’t be bought.  He may be self serving and everyone I know that supports him is completely aware of that.  Doesn’t change the fact that he is an outsider and is not influenced by the normal DC Bureaucracy.

Counter that with Biden who has been an inside the beltway politician for going on 50 years and tells us every chance he gets that Trump after being a politician for less than 4 years is what is wrong with the country and he is going to fix it.  He has had nearly 50 years to fix Washington but NOW he is finally going to do it.   

You are 100% correct that Trump has all the couth and finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop.  The fact that 4 years later the left refuses to even consider the appeal of what a Donald J. Trump brings to a large portion of the country is exactly why he gets so much support.  Heck the left is so oblivious that they are doubling down and going even farther to the left.

To surmise, Trump warts and all offers something that no career politician can, something different.

I would never vote for someone who lies like he does.  Every time he opens his mouth, another lie.  It's intolerable.  

I have lots of other reasons I would never vote for him, but that's my number one reason.  He is the most dishonest person I have ever seen.

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Let me preface by saying I voted 3rd party in 2016.

Trump has the right message.  You may not want to hear that but essentially it is true.  Make America Great Again.  Put America first when dealing with the rest of the world.  Stop carrying the load for our allies, let them pay their share.  Bring jobs that have been sent overseas back to America and strengthen the middle class.  Drain the swamp.  Get these career politicians and the lobbyists that control them out of Washington.  Give the country back to the people.  Honestly can any rational American argue with that message?  

Trump also has another quality in he can’t be bought.  He may be self serving and everyone I know that supports him is completely aware of that.  Doesn’t change the fact that he is an outsider and is not influenced by the normal DC Bureaucracy.

Counter that with Biden who has been an inside the beltway politician for going on 50 years and tells us every chance he gets that Trump after being a politician for less than 4 years is what is wrong with the country and he is going to fix it.  He has had nearly 50 years to fix Washington but NOW he is finally going to do it.   

You are 100% correct that Trump has all the couth and finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop.  The fact that 4 years later the left refuses to even consider the appeal of what a Donald J. Trump brings to a large portion of the country is exactly why he gets so much support.  Heck the left is so oblivious that they are doubling down and going even farther to the left.

To surmise, Trump warts and all offers something that no career politician can, something different.

I would never vote for someone who lies like he does.  Every time he opens his mouth, another lie.  It's intolerable.  

I have lots of other reasons I would never vote for him, but that's my number one reason.  He is the most dishonest person I have ever seen.

You have a short memory.

"I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage — they like their plan and, most importantly, they value their relationship with their doctor. They trust you. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."


- Barry Obama June 15, 2009

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Trump lies to feed his ego. He is pretty honest politically. Meaning, he is one of the few politicians that has actually tried to follow through on his policies.

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Trump lies to feed his ego. He is pretty honest politically. Meaning, he is one of the few politicians that has actually tried to follow through on his policies.

Some of his policies were ridiculous before he even got elected though. I still question the mental capacity of people who would believe that Trump was actually gonna make Mexico pay for a border wall. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure our that was never gonna happen.

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Trump lies to feed his ego. He is pretty honest politically. Meaning, he is one of the few politicians that has actually tried to follow through on his policies.

Some of his policies were ridiculous before he even got elected though. I still question the mental capacity of people who would believe that Trump was actually gonna make Mexico pay for a border wall. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure our that was never gonna happen.

Actually, people who understand economics and tariffs understood the point he was making. It is the people who took him literally that are lacking mental capacity.

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Let me preface by saying I voted 3rd party in 2016.

Trump has the right message.  You may not want to hear that but essentially it is true.  Make America Great Again.  Put America first when dealing with the rest of the world.  Stop carrying the load for our allies, let them pay their share.  Bring jobs that have been sent overseas back to America and strengthen the middle class.  Drain the swamp.  Get these career politicians and the lobbyists that control them out of Washington.  Give the country back to the people.  Honestly can any rational American argue with that message?  

Trump also has another quality in he can’t be bought.  He may be self serving and everyone I know that supports him is completely aware of that.  Doesn’t change the fact that he is an outsider and is not influenced by the normal DC Bureaucracy.

Counter that with Biden who has been an inside the beltway politician for going on 50 years and tells us every chance he gets that Trump after being a politician for less than 4 years is what is wrong with the country and he is going to fix it.  He has had nearly 50 years to fix Washington but NOW he is finally going to do it.   

You are 100% correct that Trump has all the couth and finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop.  The fact that 4 years later the left refuses to even consider the appeal of what a Donald J. Trump brings to a large portion of the country is exactly why he gets so much support.  Heck the left is so oblivious that they are doubling down and going even farther to the left.

To surmise, Trump warts and all offers something that no career politician can, something different.

I would never vote for someone who lies like he does.  Every time he opens his mouth, another lie.  It's intolerable.  

I have lots of other reasons I would never vote for him, but that's my number one reason.  He is the most dishonest person I have ever seen.

I get a chuckle out of the “he always lies” mantra.  If you’ve ever attended a sales conference or a kick off meeting you see the same “lies”.  Trump is a salesman and has been presiding over a kickoff meeting for the past 4 years.  “Best it’s ever been”. “Greatest ever”. “Never better”.  Technically you’re correct he lies all the time but as with all salesmen you have to look at the results.  Prior to the pandemic the economy was soaring, unemployment was at record lows and he was a shoe in for re-election.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Some of his policies were ridiculous before he even got elected though. I still question the mental capacity of people who would believe that Trump was actually gonna make Mexico pay for a border wall. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure our that was never gonna happen.

Actually, people who understand economics and tariffs understood the point he was making. It is the people who took him literally that are lacking mental capacity.

Because he literally said, he would physically make Mexico pay for it. He never said anything about tariffs, until he realized Mexico was not gonna roll over for him and he needed an excuse to tell his "sheep."

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Some of his policies were ridiculous before he even got elected though. I still question the mental capacity of people who would believe that Trump was actually gonna make Mexico pay for a border wall. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure our that was never gonna happen.

Actually, people who understand economics and tariffs understood the point he was making. It is the people who took him literally that are lacking mental capacity.

Maybe you don't understand tariffs. Tariffs are a tax on imported goods that are paid by the consumer.  Mexico does not pay the tariffs. 

And as far as not taking him literally, I laugh when people say that.  Has anyone ever told you, "I didn't mean that literally."  I've heard that lots of times, usually when someone breaks a promise.

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I would never vote for someone who lies like he does.  Every time he opens his mouth, another lie.  It's intolerable.  

I have lots of other reasons I would never vote for him, but that's my number one reason.  He is the most dishonest person I have ever seen.

I get a chuckle out of the “he always lies” mantra.  If you’ve ever attended a sales conference or a kick off meeting you see the same “lies”.  Trump is a salesman and has been presiding over a kickoff meeting for the past 4 years.  “Best it’s ever been”. “Greatest ever”. “Never better”.  Technically you’re correct he lies all the time but as with all salesmen you have to look at the results.  Prior to the pandemic the economy was soaring, unemployment was at record lows and he was a shoe in for re-election.

Right, so there was already a corrosive and despicable form of lying that had become acceptable in corporate settings.
With Trump, we've allowed that type of lying to be normal in government as well.  
Elected officials always told a certain type of lie to get elected, of course, but these were aspirational lies, i.e.  "We will pass this new policy," when they sincerely intend to try to get Congress to agree.
Trump's lies are on a different level.  "That was the biggest crowd ever." Etc.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Some of his policies were ridiculous before he even got elected though. I still question the mental capacity of people who would believe that Trump was actually gonna make Mexico pay for a border wall. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure our that was never gonna happen.

Actually, people who understand economics and tariffs understood the point he was making. It is the people who took him literally that are lacking mental capacity.

Wait... is Hillary locked up?

Best wall ever!

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