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#41

(04-06-2021, 10:30 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 10:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Dude couldn't hold Tebow's jock strap.  With that said, never did I want to tank for Tebow nor did I say he was Manning or Montana.  Even though he was putting up better numbers than Elway in their first year as a starter and helped lead his team to the playoffs and won a playoff game.

You kidding?

Bridgewater is still in the league.

Tebow has long since vanished from the league.

Bridgewater has made a Pro Bowl.  Tebow has not.

Bridgewater has a career completion percentage of 66.5%, almost 20 points higher than Tebow's 47.9%.

I don't want to hear about dink and dunk, either.  He has a higher y/a than Tebow, too.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...idTe00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...boTi00.htm

Bridgewater didn't become the QB many people thought he would.  But to say he couldn't hold Tebow's jock is a spectacular misrepresentation of their comparative NFL performances, akin to Gator homerism run amok.
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#42

(04-06-2021, 10:30 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 10:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Dude couldn't hold Tebow's jock strap.  With that said, never did I want to tank for Tebow nor did I say he was Manning or Montana.  Even though he was putting up better numbers than Elway in their first year as a starter and helped lead his team to the playoffs and won a playoff game.

You kidding?

Bridgewater is still in the league.

Tebow has long since vanished from the league.

Bridgewater has made a Pro Bowl.  Tebow has not.

Bridgewater has a career completion percentage of 66.5%, almost 20 points higher than Tebow's 47.9%.

I don't want to hear about dink and dunk, either.  He has a higher y/a than Tebow, too.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...idTe00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...boTi00.htm

Bridgewater didn't become the QB many people thought he would.  But to say he couldn't hold Tebow's jock is a spectacular misrepresentation of their comparative NFL performances, akin to Gator homerism run amok.

Yet Tebow still has more playoff wins
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#43

(04-07-2021, 06:17 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 10:30 PM)Bullseye Wrote: You kidding?

Bridgewater is still in the league.

Tebow has long since vanished from the league.

Bridgewater has made a Pro Bowl.  Tebow has not.

Bridgewater has a career completion percentage of 66.5%, almost 20 points higher than Tebow's 47.9%.

I don't want to hear about dink and dunk, either.  He has a higher y/a than Tebow, too.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...idTe00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...boTi00.htm

Bridgewater didn't become the QB many people thought he would.  But to say he couldn't hold Tebow's jock is a spectacular misrepresentation of their comparative NFL performances, akin to Gator homerism run amok.

Yet Tebow still has more playoff wins

This is such a stupid retort.  I can name countless scrubs 'that have a playoff win'.  But keep clinging.
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(04-07-2021, 08:02 AM)RicoTx Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 06:17 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Yet Tebow still has more playoff wins

This is such a stupid retort.  I can name countless scrubs 'that have a playoff win'.  But keep clinging.
He had over 300 yards passing and made the game winning pass in OT.  How many scubs have done that? I knew you would chime in, it's fun when you get your panties in a wad about Tebow lol
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#45

(04-07-2021, 08:18 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 08:02 AM)RicoTx Wrote: This is such a stupid retort.  I can name countless scrubs 'that have a playoff win'.  But keep clinging.
He had over 300 yards passing and made the game winning pass in OT.  How many scubs have done that?  I knew you would chime in, it's fun when you get your panties in a wad about Tebow lol

Panties in a wad?  LOL.  More like you clinging to Timmy's jockstrap.  That 'game winning pass in OT ' was about 10 yard slant over the middle and horrible defense by the Steelers.  Keep dreaming Mrs. Tebow.
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#46

(04-07-2021, 08:18 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 08:02 AM)RicoTx Wrote: This is such a stupid retort.  I can name countless scrubs 'that have a playoff win'.  But keep clinging.
He had over 300 yards passing and made the game winning pass in OT.  How many scubs have done that?  I knew you would chime in, it's fun when you get your panties in a wad about Tebow lol
And yet you harp on people wanting Teddy pre-draft.....

He completed 10 passes lol HOF guy right there.
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(This post was last modified: 04-07-2021, 08:55 AM by flgatorsandjags.)

(04-07-2021, 08:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 08:18 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: He had over 300 yards passing and made the game winning pass in OT.  How many scubs have done that?  I knew you would chime in, it's fun when you get your panties in a wad about Tebow lol
And yet you harp on people wanting Teddy pre-draft.....

He completed 10 passes lol HOF guy right there.

People didn't just want Teddy, the wanted to tank for a guy that went the last pick of the first round and was comparing him to Manning.  Huge difference.  That would be like us tanking for who we get at 33. You don't see the difference there?#TankforTeddy
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#49
(This post was last modified: 04-07-2021, 10:31 AM by Bullseye.)

(04-07-2021, 06:17 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-06-2021, 10:30 PM)Bullseye Wrote: You kidding?

Bridgewater is still in the league.

Tebow has long since vanished from the league.

Bridgewater has made a Pro Bowl.  Tebow has not.

Bridgewater has a career completion percentage of 66.5%, almost 20 points higher than Tebow's 47.9%.

I don't want to hear about dink and dunk, either.  He has a higher y/a than Tebow, too.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...idTe00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...boTi00.htm

Bridgewater didn't become the QB many people thought he would.  But to say he couldn't hold Tebow's jock is a spectacular misrepresentation of their comparative NFL performances, akin to Gator homerism run amok.

Yet Tebow still has more playoff wins

The hilarious thing is earlier in the thread, you made it a point to illustrate that Bridgewater has never thrown more than 15 TDs in a season.  At least he's hit double digits in his career.  Bridgewater has about 6.5 times as many career TDs (53) as Tebow (8).  This disparity exists even though Bridgewater missed two seasons recovering from what many thought was a freak, career ending no contact knee injury.  For additional perspective, consider the biggest QB busts in recent NFL history.  Blaine Gabbert has thrown 50 career TDs-over 6 times as many TDs ad Tebow.    Jamarcus Russell, he of the purple drank and unwatched DVDs, has ten (10) more TDs and a higher completion percentage than Tebow.  Johnny Manziel, who played 6 fewer games than Tebow, only has one fewer TDs than Tebow's 8 and is ten points higher in completion percentage..  Ryan Leaf (17) has more than DOUBLE the TDs than Tebow.   By what objective criteria do you conclude that Bridgewater couldn't hold Tebow's jock strap as far as their NFL careers are concerned?!?

(04-07-2021, 08:26 AM)RicoTx Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 08:18 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: He had over 300 yards passing and made the game winning pass in OT.  How many scubs have done that?  I knew you would chime in, it's fun when you get your panties in a wad about Tebow lol

Panties in a wad?  LOL.  More like you clinging to Timmy's jockstrap.  That 'game winning pass in OT ' was about 10 yard slant over the middle and horrible defense by the Steelers.  Keep dreaming Mrs. Tebow.

Against a similar, cover zero defense that cost the Jets their win against the Raiders.

  It's not as if Tebow went through his progressions and looked off safeties to complete that game winning pass.

There were no safeties to look off on the play!

The Steelers did not respect Tebow's ability at all.
 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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(This post was last modified: 04-07-2021, 10:47 AM by Bullseye.)

(04-07-2021, 08:54 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 08:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: And yet you harp on people wanting Teddy pre-draft.....

He completed 10 passes lol HOF guy right there.

People didn't just want Teddy, the wanted to tank for a guy that went the last pick of the first round and was comparing him to Manning.  Huge difference.  That would be like us tanking for who we get at 33.  You don't see the difference there?#TankforTeddy
Though I wanted Bridgewater, I didn't compare him to Manning (at least I don't recall).  But taking your representations at face value, do you seriously think the same fanbase that put up banners across the I-95 overpass, wore sandwich boards to the games, petitioned the President to make the Jaguars draft Tebow, and became BroncGators actually fares better in this analysis?!?
 

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#51

So Darnold to the Panthers eh?

Darnold gets a fresh start and a chance to prove he's worthy of being an NFL starter. Doesn't cost the Panthers too much but if Darnold is good and not great for 2 seasons they'll be in QB limbo yet again in 2 seasons. The Jets (I assume) will be selecting Wilson at 2 now... And they can hit reset on their rebuild yet again.

Do they try to move Bridgewater or keep him as an expensive back up. Or is Darnold more of a cheap insurance policy for Teddy?
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#52

(04-07-2021, 10:27 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 06:17 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Yet Tebow still has more playoff wins

The hilarious thing is earlier in the thread, you made it a point to illustrate that Bridgewater has never thrown more than 15 TDs in a season.  At least he's hit double digits in his career.  Bridgewater has about 6.5 times as many career TDs (53) as Tebow (8).  This disparity exists even though Bridgewater missed two seasons recovering from what many thought was a freak, career ending no contact knee injury.  For additional perspective, consider the biggest QB busts in recent NFL history.  Blaine Gabbert has thrown 50 career TDs-over 6 times as many TDs ad Tebow.    Jamarcus Russell, he of the purple drank and unwatched DVDs, has ten (10) more TDs and a higher completion percentage than Tebow.  Johnny Manziel, who played 6 fewer games than Tebow, only has one fewer TDs than Tebow's 8 and is ten points higher in completion percentage..  Ryan Leaf (17) has more than DOUBLE the TDs than Tebow.   By what objective criteria do you conclude that Bridgewater couldn't hold Tebow's jock strap as far as their NFL careers are concerned?!?

(04-07-2021, 08:26 AM)RicoTx Wrote: Panties in a wad?  LOL.  More like you clinging to Timmy's jockstrap.  That 'game winning pass in OT ' was about 10 yard slant over the middle and horrible defense by the Steelers.  Keep dreaming Mrs. Tebow.

Against a similar, cover zero defense that cost the Jets their win against the Raiders.

  It's not as if Tebow went through his progressions and looked off safeties to complete that game winning pass.

There were no safeties to look off on the play!

The Steelers did not respect Tebow's ability at all.
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#53

(04-07-2021, 10:38 AM)Kane Wrote: So Darnold to the Panthers eh?

Darnold gets a fresh start and a chance to prove he's worthy of being an NFL starter. Doesn't cost the Panthers too much but if Darnold is good and not great for 2 seasons they'll be in QB limbo yet again in 2 seasons. The Jets (I assume) will be selecting Wilson at 2 now... And they can hit reset on their rebuild yet again.

Do they try to move Bridgewater or keep him as an expensive back up. Or is Darnold more of a cheap insurance policy for Teddy?

It looks like the Panthers prefer to trade Teddy Bridgewater:

Report: Panthers allow Teddy Bridgewater to talk to teams about trade - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

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(This post was last modified: 04-07-2021, 11:27 AM by flgatorsandjags.)

(04-07-2021, 10:35 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 08:54 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: People didn't just want Teddy, the wanted to tank for a guy that went the last pick of the first round and was comparing him to Manning.  Huge difference.  That would be like us tanking for who we get at 33.  You don't see the difference there?#TankforTeddy
Though I wanted Bridgewater, I didn't compare him to Manning (at least I don't recall).  But taking your representations at face value, do you seriously think the same fanbase that put up banners across the I-95 overpass, wore sandwich boards to the games, petitioned the President to make the Jaguars draft Tebow, and became BroncGators actually fares better in this analysis?!?

There isn't any question if we would of been a better team with Tebow instead of Gabbert running the option with Tebow and MJD like Den used with him and McGahee.  Did I say you compared Teddy to Manning?
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(This post was last modified: 04-07-2021, 11:45 AM by Bullseye.)

(04-07-2021, 11:24 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 10:35 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Though I wanted Bridgewater, I didn't compare him to Manning (at least I don't recall).  But taking your representations at face value, do you seriously think the same fanbase that put up banners across the I-95 overpass, wore sandwich boards to the games, petitioned the President to make the Jaguars draft Tebow, and became BroncGators actually fares better in this analysis?!?

There isn't any question if we would of been a better team with Tebow instead of Gabbert running the option with Tebow and MJD like Den used with him and McGahee.  Did I say you compared Teddy to Manning?
(emphasis added)

No you didn't.  But I was clarifying that point.  If I'm wrong enough to want the Jaguars to expend a high pick to get Bridgewater, how big of a leap is it for a person to assume I would compare him to Manning?


As for your first, point I don't know that to be true.  Neither guy was very good.  Even if we ran the option, the novel approach might have worked for a game or so until teams adjusted to it.  When it got shut down, Tebow wouldn't be able to pass effectively enough to get them out of the fronts that would have been designed and implemented to shut down the option.
 

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#56

(04-06-2021, 07:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: I dont remember anyone wanting Bortles.  Some on here wanted to tank for Teddy and thought he was the next Manning, one of the worst prospect comparison ever on this board lol.   Dude has one of the weakest arms in the history of the league and was never good.  With that said,, Bortles has thrown 35 TDs in a season, multiple other 20+ TD seasons.  Bridgewater has never thrown more than 15 TDs in a season


This is true.  At #3, a lot of people wanted Teddy until his hands measurements came out smaller than Dora the Explorer's hands
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#57

From the viewpoint of when the Vikings drafted Teddy Bridgewater ( end of Round 1 ) , I believe he would have been a good long term value selection by them, if not for the non contact practice knee injury that easily could have ended his NFL playing career.

Teddy Bridgewater made substantial progress in the 2015 season, helping lead to the Vikings to the NFC North Championship. This was the 2nd of 2 seasons the Vikings played in their temporary outdoor home on the campus of the University of Minnesota. A 27 yard missed FG by then Vikings K Blair Walsh against the Seahawks in the first round of the playoffs was VERY likely the difference in the outcome of the game.

With the Vikings new dome stadium ready for the 2016 season, Bridgewater would have been better equipped to take his game to an even higher level. Though eventual Vikings QB Kirk Cousins puts up stats that help Fantasy Football participants, I'm of the opinion that Bridgewater would have given the Vikings a better chance of going deep in the playoffs ( if not for the knee injury ).

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(04-07-2021, 11:24 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 10:35 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Though I wanted Bridgewater, I didn't compare him to Manning (at least I don't recall).  But taking your representations at face value, do you seriously think the same fanbase that put up banners across the I-95 overpass, wore sandwich boards to the games, petitioned the President to make the Jaguars draft Tebow, and became BroncGators actually fares better in this analysis?!?

There isn't any question if we would of been a better team with Tebow instead of Gabbert running the option with Tebow and MJD like Den used with him and McGahee.  Did I say you compared Teddy to Manning?
Lol bold take for a QB who hasn’t been in the league for almost 10 years. Couldn’t even stay on as a backup like Glennon hahahaha
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(04-07-2021, 01:04 PM)D6 Wrote: From the viewpoint of when the Vikings drafted Teddy Bridgewater ( end of Round 1 ) , I believe he would have been a good long term value selection by them,  if not for the non contact practice  knee injury that easily could have ended his NFL playing career.

Teddy Bridgewater made substantial progress in the 2015 season, helping lead to the Vikings to the NFC North Championship.  This was the 2nd of 2 seasons the Vikings played in their temporary outdoor home on the campus of the University of Minnesota.  A 27 yard missed FG by then Vikings K Blair Walsh against the Seahawks in the first round of the playoffs was VERY likely the difference in the outcome of the game.

With the Vikings new dome stadium ready for the 2016 season, Bridgewater would have been better equipped to take his game to an even higher level.  Though eventual Vikings QB Kirk Cousins puts up stats that help Fantasy Football participants,  I'm of the opinion that Bridgewater would have given the Vikings a better chance of going deep in the playoffs ( if not for the knee injury ).

Yes, Teddy had the career year with 14 TDs and 9 Ints.  That Vikings team had one of the most talented rosters in the league.  The following year Cousins had almost 5000 yards and 25 TDs, im not  so sure he would of been able to do what Cousins did.  I doubt if he would of been able to take them to the playoffs much less go farther.  Was it the next year when Cousins made the great pass to Diggs to take the Vikings to the NFC Championship?  Teddy has been back for a few years now from the injury and had a decent team last year while failing to do much and Carolina just traded for Darnold.  I'm sure if there wasn't something there Joe Brady wouldn't be looking for his replacement
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(04-07-2021, 01:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 01:04 PM)D6 Wrote: From the viewpoint of when the Vikings drafted Teddy Bridgewater ( end of Round 1 ) , I believe he would have been a good long term value selection by them,  if not for the non contact practice  knee injury that easily could have ended his NFL playing career.

Teddy Bridgewater made substantial progress in the 2015 season, helping lead to the Vikings to the NFC North Championship.  This was the 2nd of 2 seasons the Vikings played in their temporary outdoor home on the campus of the University of Minnesota.  A 27 yard missed FG by then Vikings K Blair Walsh against the Seahawks in the first round of the playoffs was VERY likely the difference in the outcome of the game.

With the Vikings new dome stadium ready for the 2016 season, Bridgewater would have been better equipped to take his game to an even higher level.  Though eventual Vikings QB Kirk Cousins puts up stats that help Fantasy Football participants,  I'm of the opinion that Bridgewater would have given the Vikings a better chance of going deep in the playoffs ( if not for the knee injury ).

Yes, Teddy had the career year with 14 TDs and 9 Ints.  That Vikings team had one of the most talented rosters in the league.  The following year Cousins had almost 5000 yards and 25 TDs, im not  so sure he would of been able to do what Cousins did.  I doubt if he would of been able to take them to the playoffs much less go farther.  Was it the next year when Cousins made the great pass to Diggs to take the Vikings to the NFC Championship?  Teddy has been back for a few years now from the injury and had a decent team last year while failing to do much and Carolina just traded for Darnold.  I'm sure if there wasn't something there Joe Brady wouldn't be looking for his replacement

It was Case Keenum who made the 'Minneapolis Miracle' throw to Stefon Diggs. Kirk Cousins was signed by the Vikings as a UFA around 2 months later.

Teddy Bridgewater will never regain his pre-knee injury skills. It's a near miracle that Bridgewater even was able to play again.  Before the knee injury, I believe Bridgewater was on a path to be a good ( not great ) starting QB in the NFL. Stats didn't reflect the moxie that Teddy brought to the table.

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