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Colts trade Rock Ya-Sin for Yannick Ngakoue


(06-14-2022, 09:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(06-13-2022, 07:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote: Not trashing key contributors because I dislike their personalities is NOT the same as restricting kudos to them.

Serious question:  Have the Jaguars had enough pro bowl performances over the years to forget or completely disregard the contributions of Ngakoue and Ramsey-both of whom made the pro bowl?

The Jaguars have drafted all of two (2) Pro Bowlers at DE in our roughly 28 years of existencce.  Tony Brackens in 1996 and Ngakoue in 2016-some 20 years later.  But Jaguars fans hated both guys.  I just hope we don't have to wait another 20 years before we manage to draft another Pro Bowl edge rusher, though I don't know why they'd ever want to play for us.  Fans here hate productive defenders and the team historically does not shell out money for them.

Josh Allen don't count?  I haven't seen anyone on here say they hate Yawn or Brackens.  Most just say Yawn wasn't worth 20 mil and is the worst at his position in run defense/ a huge liability.  When he was a FA a couple years ago his market wasn't even that big.  Why is Yawn nothing getting a huge contract and and making only 13 mil per year being he is still young if he is as good as you think he is?  There is a reason teams wasn't lining up to sign him and he keeps getting traded.

This was already explained to you.

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1469953

As was your weird harping on the run defense thing. He is not a liability for teams that have the pieces to use him rotationally as a pass rush specialist. Just like the Jags did in 2017 when he was also not a liability to them. 

His lack of versatility is a reason his price is where it is, but it won't stop him from being signed by teams that can afford a pass rush specialist to use situationally. And there are a number of those teams out there each year.  Which teams fit the bill  changes as their rosters evolve, which is why he's been traded/moved around. Again - all explained in the link above. 

If your argument has stalled to the point of simply repeating yourself after it has been refuted multiple times, it's time to move on. 

I know I'm tired of repeating the refutal.  The horse is dead and bludgeoned. 

I don't expect to make you see any reason concerning Ngakoue, Ramsey or how our own organization likely shares some blame in not retaining talent such as theirs. 

On to the next dead zone topic for me.
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(06-14-2022, 10:15 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(06-14-2022, 09:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Josh Allen don't count?  I haven't seen anyone on here say they hate Yawn or Brackens.  Most just say Yawn wasn't worth 20 mil and is the worst at his position in run defense/ a huge liability.  When he was a FA a couple years ago his market wasn't even that big.  Why is Yawn nothing getting a huge contract and and making only 13 mil per year being he is still young if he is as good as you think he is?  There is a reason teams wasn't lining up to sign him and he keeps getting traded.

This was already explained to you.

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1469953

As was your weird harping on the run defense thing. He is not a liability for teams that have the pieces to use him rotationally as a pass rush specialist. Just like the Jags did in 2017 when he was also not a liability to them. 

His lack of versatility is a reason his price is where it is, but it won't stop him from being signed by teams that can afford a pass rush specialist to use situationally. And there are a number of those teams out there each year.  Which teams fit the bill  changes as their rosters evolve, which is why he's been traded/moved around. Again - all explained in the link above. 

If your argument has stalled to the point of simply repeating yourself after it has been refuted multiple times, it's time to move on. 

I know I'm tired of repeating the refutal.  The horse is dead and bludgeoned. 

I don't expect to make you see any reason concerning Ngakoue, Ramsey or how our own organization likely shares some blame in not retaining talent such as theirs. 

On to the next dead zone topic for me.

He's a liability when teams run his way, which is why he was rated the worst run defender at his position and why he got traded again.  It's already been explained to you many times why he gets passed around, not to mention we dont know how he is in the locker room either and that could be another reason.  The teams that traded him could of afforded him but they realized the liability and decided he wasn't worth it.   Oh our organization shares the blame.  The could of paid Yawn way more than what he was worth and Tom and Dave shouldn't of gotten on Ramsey when he he got into it with Doug.  When he faked a injury and quit on the team they didn't have to trade him so we do share blame for both players
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