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January 6 Committee: Thousands of Interviews, Few New Facts

#41

(06-11-2022, 01:49 PM)JagswinJagswin Wrote: What did JDR say that was incorrect? There is a double standard. Should the people that broke the law and entered the buildings illegally on January 6 be charged? Yes, they should. What about the other side? Should the people that destroyed and burned stores, buildings, and cars be charged? Yes, they should be also. I would much rather have the idiots from the January 6 "insurrection" show up at my house to attack me than the people that were looting and destroying parts of cites during the "peaceful protest" riots.

They're both being prosecuted.  There has been no double standard with regard to prosecuting individuals.

However, the earlier riots were not threats to the Republic  itself and do not merit any congressional investigation.

The Jan 6 riot was also an insurrection and also merits congressional investigation and no one should be calling it a mere "dustup".
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#42

(06-11-2022, 01:17 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 12:15 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: The most serious threat to our constitution is the misinformed, under informed and emotionally manipulated electorate that put the current democrat president and members of congress in place coupled with a desire to not enforce immigration laws and additionally creating a voting system that leaves the door wide open for fraud especially in the most recent election with so many mail in ballots.

What could be more of a threat to the constitution than accelerating a change in the electorate through immigration policy or lack thereof?  We have a party hellbent on growing their base by not enforcing borders and immigration laws and an intention of granting amnesty and also a party that’s ok with potentially insecure elections.  All of which lead to cancelling out votes of current legal citizens of this country.  This same party sees the constitution as an obstacle to their goals which was written by racists. That’s your threat to the the constitution.

The door is not wide open for fraud.  Ballots are only sent to real people.
It is too easy to immigrate illegally, I agree.
But even the amnesty that democrats (and Marco Rubio) proposed does not confer citizenship or voting rights immediately.  They were going to have to wait 13 years even if they did everything right.
Our population has grown by immigration continuously ever since their was a Constitution.   
Everything you list is a very hypothetical far off threat
Whereas
January 6 was a real event. 
Your mind is not in touch with reality for you to be emphasizing unreal things as being more real than real things.

I mean this in the least offensive way possible, but based on your posting history in the political section, you appear to be the most useful of idiots.
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#43

(06-11-2022, 01:09 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 12:01 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: The FBI's involvement in January 6th should be every bit as threatening to our democracy, but you're an establishment apologist.

Got any links?

The links are the easy part. It's helping you notice the obvious that's difficult.
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#44

(06-11-2022, 02:21 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 01:49 PM)JagswinJagswin Wrote: What did JDR say that was incorrect? There is a double standard. Should the people that broke the law and entered the buildings illegally on January 6 be charged? Yes, they should. What about the other side? Should the people that destroyed and burned stores, buildings, and cars be charged? Yes, they should be also. I would much rather have the idiots from the January 6 "insurrection" show up at my house to attack me than the people that were looting and destroying parts of cites during the "peaceful protest" riots.

They're both being prosecuted.  There has been no double standard with regard to prosecuting individuals.

However, the earlier riots were not threats to the Republic  itself and do not merit any congressional investigation.

The Jan 6 riot was also an insurrection and also merits congressional investigation and no one should be calling it a mere "dustup".
Sorry, but that's a load of crap. Those people that got arrested for rioting and burning stuff were out of jail by the next day or so. People LITERALLY took over a part of a city and controlled who went in and out. That is not a threat to the Republic? Seriously? Nothing has or is going to happen to any/many of them of any consequence. If you think some idiots wondering around the buildings that many were actually let in are a realistic threat to the republic then it's not very strong to begin with. Now, if they showed up armed and forced their way in by bombing the building, that's a different story. If the current staff remain in office, we won't have to worry about this much anymore because our country will not last another leftist President, House, and Senate.
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#45

(06-11-2022, 02:21 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 01:49 PM)JagswinJagswin Wrote: What did JDR say that was incorrect? There is a double standard. Should the people that broke the law and entered the buildings illegally on January 6 be charged? Yes, they should. What about the other side? Should the people that destroyed and burned stores, buildings, and cars be charged? Yes, they should be also. I would much rather have the idiots from the January 6 "insurrection" show up at my house to attack me than the people that were looting and destroying parts of cites during the "peaceful protest" riots.

They're both being prosecuted.  There has been no double standard with regard to prosecuting individuals.

However, the earlier riots were not threats to the Republic  itself and do not merit any congressional investigation.

The Jan 6 riot was also an insurrection and also merits congressional investigation and no one should be calling it a mere "dustup".

I was there it's no instruction come on man. That hyperbole does nothing, it was a political march and it had agitators and it got out of hand but noooooo where near the damage and violence of the riots the year before. 

Trump's as much to blame as anyone I'll agree but it wasn't an insurection
(06-01-2022, 10:35 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-01-2022, 09:53 PM)p_rushing Wrote: It's all about control.
If you don't have money, you have to depend on them.
If you don't own anything, you have to follow their rules or they cut you off.

Have you not seen the push by them to make green cities, stop gas production and gas engines, and move everything into smaller areas that they can control. When you live rural, you can grow your own crops and frankly can live off the land and not need the government for anything, even if you have no money.


More and more the movies based in the future with safe city zones and the wild baren areas are looking more and more a reality.

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And what would "they" have out in those rural areas that "they" can't control to enforce that the food is actually grown and delivered to the city? Robots? Aliens?


even if he wanted it to be.
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#46
(This post was last modified: 06-11-2022, 10:34 PM by mikesez. Edited 5 times in total.)

(06-11-2022, 04:17 PM)JagswinJagswin Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 02:21 PM)mikesez Wrote: They're both being prosecuted.  There has been no double standard with regard to prosecuting individuals.

However, the earlier riots were not threats to the Republic  itself and do not merit any congressional investigation.

The Jan 6 riot was also an insurrection and also merits congressional investigation and no one should be calling it a mere "dustup".
Sorry, but that's a load of crap. Those people that got arrested for rioting and burning stuff were out of jail by the next day or so. People LITERALLY took over a part of a city and controlled who went in and out. That is not a threat to the Republic? Seriously? Nothing has or is going to happen to any/many of them of any consequence. If you think some idiots wondering around the buildings that many were actually let in are a realistic threat to the republic then it's not very strong to begin with. Now, if they showed up armed and forced their way in by bombing the building, that's a different story. If the current staff remain in office, we won't have to worry about this much anymore because our country will not last another leftist President, House, and Senate.

I have friends in Seattle.  They reported that they were free to visit the "chaz" or "chop" and come and go as they pleased. One of these friends is a Republican.
 And that you would even compare these things shows that you need to review civics.
  Sovereign power Is held by the 535 members of Congress, and the president. None of those people are or were in Portland or Seattle.
 Again I am by no means excusing what happened in Portland and Seattle, it was bad, but even an attack on the city of Washington DC would not have been as serious.
 This was literally an attack on the people who make up the government specifically, not on any city, not on a local police force, but all the way at the top, at the people who hold power at the top.
 If it's not already obvious to you, try this thought exercise.
 Imagine that all the 2020 protests were actually were actually anti covid restriction, pro trump people. You don't have to imagine that hard actually, The state capital in Michigan was taken over by such people, and they were armed.
 Then imagine that at some point in 2021, thousands showed up to hear Bernie Sanders speak near the White House, and he told the mob to go to the White House, where Trump was, and the mob did, and tried to break in.
 In that case, would you even dream of arguing that the 2020 riot was just as bad as the 2021 one? Would you be arguing, "it's not so bad, it's so bad, those socialist goons trying to break into the White House weren't armed." Of course not! you would be insisting that that some of them had backpacks and baggy pants and because none of them were checked before entering, and few of them were apprehended at the site, no one knows who was armed and who was not armed. Right? You would say that those people at the very least wanted to threaten Trump so he changed a decision about something, worst case, they wanted to kill him. Right?
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(06-11-2022, 04:22 PM)EricC85 Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 02:21 PM)mikesez Wrote: They're both being prosecuted.  There has been no double standard with regard to prosecuting individuals.

However, the earlier riots were not threats to the Republic  itself and do not merit any congressional investigation.

The Jan 6 riot was also an insurrection and also merits congressional investigation and no one should be calling it a mere "dustup".

I was there it's no instruction come on man. That hyperbole does nothing, it was a political march and it had agitators and it got out of hand but noooooo where near the damage and violence of the riots the year before. 

Trump's as much to blame as anyone I'll agree but it wasn't an insurection

You were there? How close did you get to the Capitol?If you agree "Trump is to blame as much as anyone" do you agree that a judge should invoke the 14th amendment to prevent him from holding any office again? Why do you say it wasn't an insurrection? What aspect was missing?
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#48

(06-11-2022, 06:45 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 04:22 PM)EricC85 Wrote: I was there it's no instruction come on man. That hyperbole does nothing, it was a political march and it had agitators and it got out of hand but noooooo where near the damage and violence of the riots the year before. 

Trump's as much to blame as anyone I'll agree but it wasn't an insurection

You were there? How close did you get to the Capitol?If you agree "Trump is to blame as much as anyone" do you agree that a judge should invoke the 14th amendment to prevent him from holding any office again? Why do you say it wasn't an insurrection? What aspect was missing?

LOL.  How about an attempt to overthrow the government?
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#49

(06-11-2022, 10:30 PM)Sneakers Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 06:45 PM)mikesez Wrote: You were there? How close did you get to the Capitol?If you agree "Trump is to blame as much as anyone" do you agree that a judge should invoke the 14th amendment to prevent him from holding any office again? Why do you say it wasn't an insurrection? What aspect was missing?

LOL.  How about an attempt to overthrow the government?

Oh what were they attempting then?
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(06-11-2022, 10:53 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 10:30 PM)Sneakers Wrote: LOL.  How about an attempt to overthrow the government?

Oh what were they attempting then?

To protest a stolen election. Too bad they weren't successful.
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#51

(06-11-2022, 06:45 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 04:22 PM)EricC85 Wrote: I was there it's no instruction come on man. That hyperbole does nothing, it was a political march and it had agitators and it got out of hand but noooooo where near the damage and violence of the riots the year before. 

Trump's as much to blame as anyone I'll agree but it wasn't an insurection

You were there? How close did you get to the Capitol?If you agree "Trump is to blame as much as anyone" do you agree that a judge should invoke the 14th amendment to prevent him from holding any office again? Why do you say it wasn't an insurrection? What aspect was missing?

Yes I drove there on January 5th the night before. I took my 62 year old mother who is a Columbian immigrant and two of my four kids age 8 and 10 to the rally. I've always been lukewarm about trump but my mom loves him. I was curious what the rally was going to accomplish and what of anything would come of it. We arrived from the hotel roughly around 8:30am that morning. By the time we made our way to end the of the national mall you could only see the stage off in a distance. I have never seen such a concentration of people in one place. 

It was clear Washington didn't want us there from the start. There was no bathrooms everything was boarded up as you walked in and the only police where on rooftops. The crowd was rowdy, it was clear there where agitators you could spot them. At one point and older man dressed in Vietnam camo and wearing a Vietnam hat  started trying to rowdy the crowd up this was hours before the first speaker. 

I remember seeing the guys dressed up in the videos you see marching up the capital as I walked in. I thought they looked ridiculous at the time why where they in military gear for the rally was my thought. Later I saw footage of them going up the capital stairs hands on shoulder just like they marched as we walked in. 

We tried to get closer to the stage but it was just to packed I didn't want to squeeze my kids through the crowd so we stood at the end of the Washington memorial. The local Spanish news network saw my Spanish mother and thought she was a protester (even though she was decked out head to toe in American flag clothing and wearing a trump hat lol). I don't know what they said it was on Spanish and I never learned Spanish (long story) mom said they just kept trying to bait her into saying something about the crowd being racist or hating trump. Which was ridiculous there was tons of different people there, hell I even saw a gay for trump flag walking around. 

That said this wasn't your religious right crowd. There was some prayer groups around but they where out numbers 10 to 1 by angry FJB flags. The crowd was a powder keg anyone denying that is lying. 

I couldn't hear most of what trump said but I did hear him say we're going to march to the capital and make ourselves heard. The speakers before him also did there best to lead the crowd on to believe pence had some power. I remember telling mom that's not how it works pence can't do anything what are they talking about? 

I was very disappointed on our trip, I took two of my kids to show them in America we have the right and responsibility to peacefully protest when we disagree with our government. It was a big reason how my family came to America, both sets of my grandparents left their home country with my parents because they suffered persecution for being on the other side of government. I went to Washington to be heard not to be lied to and watch the right become as vulgar and nasty as the left. It was at that rally I walked away from trump and said never again. But it wasn't an insurection. That crowd was big enough and mad enough if he wanted to storm the capital and hang everyone there the national guarded couldn't have stopped it in time. 

I believe 100% it was a setup and Trump along with the rest of us where stupid enough to take the bait hook line and sinker. I blame Trump for making no attempt to settle down a rowdy crowd. He nee it everyone there new it, if only 10% of the crowd got worked up they're was no one to stop them. When they said march to capital I looked at my wife and mother grabbed the kids and said time to go. We heard about the capital stuff on the radio and made it out of town as they where shutting down Washington. I felt sick the whole way home. I new and still believe I was watching the begging of the end. 

The country's to far gone. I've been told this story my family has lived it, the ending sucks. I can't go into detail on what I believe with violating the coc but let's just say my family will be ready.
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#52

(06-11-2022, 10:53 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 10:30 PM)Sneakers Wrote: LOL.  How about an attempt to overthrow the government?

Oh what were they attempting then?

You keep overlooking a crucial, defining element of an insurrection, an attempt to seize power.  What new form of government tried to take control of the country?  

Your hatred of Trump blinds you to the reality of the situation.  You're obsessed with labeling this as an insurrection and holding him responsible.
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(This post was last modified: 06-12-2022, 08:44 AM by mikesez. Edited 2 times in total.)

(06-11-2022, 11:26 PM)EricC85 Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 06:45 PM)mikesez Wrote: You were there? How close did you get to the Capitol?If you agree "Trump is to blame as much as anyone" do you agree that a judge should invoke the 14th amendment to prevent him from holding any office again? Why do you say it wasn't an insurrection? What aspect was missing?

Yes I drove there on January 5th the night before. I took my 62 year old mother who is a Columbian immigrant and two of my four kids age 8 and 10 to the rally. I've always been lukewarm about trump but my mom loves him. I was curious what the rally was going to accomplish and what of anything would come of it. We arrived from the hotel roughly around 8:30am that morning. By the time we made our way to end the of the national mall you could only see the stage off in a distance. I have never seen such a concentration of people in one place. 

It was clear Washington didn't want us there from the start. There was no bathrooms everything was boarded up as you walked in and the only police where on rooftops. The crowd was rowdy, it was clear there where agitators you could spot them. At one point and older man dressed in Vietnam camo and wearing a Vietnam hat  started trying to rowdy the crowd up this was hours before the first speaker. 

I remember seeing the guys dressed up in the videos you see marching up the capital as I walked in. I thought they looked ridiculous at the time why where they in military gear for the rally was my thought. Later I saw footage of them going up the capital stairs hands on shoulder just like they marched as we walked in. 

We tried to get closer to the stage but it was just to packed I didn't want to squeeze my kids through the crowd so we stood at the end of the Washington memorial. The local Spanish news network saw my Spanish mother and thought she was a protester (even though she was decked out head to toe in American flag clothing and wearing a trump hat lol). I don't know what they said it was on Spanish and I never learned Spanish (long story) mom said they just kept trying to bait her into saying something about the crowd being racist or hating trump. Which was ridiculous there was tons of different people there, hell I even saw a gay for trump flag walking around. 

That said this wasn't your religious right crowd. There was some prayer groups around but they where out numbers 10 to 1 by angry FJB flags. The crowd was a powder keg anyone denying that is lying. 

I couldn't hear most of what trump said but I did hear him say we're going to march to the capital and make ourselves heard. The speakers before him also did there best to lead the crowd on to believe pence had some power. I remember telling mom that's not how it works pence can't do anything what are they talking about? 

I was very disappointed on our trip, I took two of my kids to show them in America we have the right and responsibility to peacefully protest when we disagree with our government. It was a big reason how my family came to America, both sets of my grandparents left their home country with my parents because they suffered persecution for being on the other side of government. I went to Washington to be heard not to be lied to and watch the right become as vulgar and nasty as the left. It was at that rally I walked away from trump and said never again. But it wasn't an insurection. That crowd was big enough and mad enough if he wanted to storm the capital and hang everyone there the national guarded couldn't have stopped it in time. 

I believe 100% it was a setup and Trump along with the rest of us where stupid enough to take the bait hook line and sinker. I blame Trump for making no attempt to settle down a rowdy crowd. He nee it everyone there new it, if only 10% of the crowd got worked up they're was no one to stop them. When they said march to capital I looked at my wife and mother grabbed the kids and said time to go. We heard about the capital stuff on the radio and made it out of town as they where shutting down Washington. I felt sick the whole way home. I new and still believe I was watching the begging of the end. 

The country's to far gone. I've been told this story my family has lived it, the ending sucks. I can't go into detail on what I believe with violating the coc but let's just say my family will be ready.

I actually agree with most of what you are saying.  I agree with your reasons for being there and your reactions. 
The rally you attended on the ellipse was not an insurrection.  Most of the people at that rally were not bad guys.  Most of them did not go to the Capitol.  
The insurrection was at the Capitol, not the ellipse.   I've seen multiple first person videos of people walking from the ellipse to the Capitol after the speeches were over.  There were men on the Capitol lawn telling the people coming from the speech to turn around if you're not ready to get violent.
I don't think it was a "setup" because Trump wanted the violent oathkeepers and proud boys there just as much as he wanted you there. Trump knew what he was trying to do, even if you didnt.

(06-12-2022, 07:57 AM)Sneakers Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 10:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: Oh what were they attempting then?

You keep overlooking a crucial, defining element of an insurrection, an attempt to seize power.  What new form of government tried to take control of the country?  

Your hatred of Trump blinds you to the reality of the situation.  You're obsessed with labeling this as an insurrection and holding him responsible.

Our form of government says that 50 states turn in electoral votes and Congress counts them.
The insurrectionists wanted to create a new form of government where a violent crowd gets to tell Congress to ignore what the states sent in and declare the crowd's man the winner.
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(06-12-2022, 08:24 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-11-2022, 11:26 PM)EricC85 Wrote: Yes I drove there on January 5th the night before. I took my 62 year old mother who is a Columbian immigrant and two of my four kids age 8 and 10 to the rally. I've always been lukewarm about trump but my mom loves him. I was curious what the rally was going to accomplish and what of anything would come of it. We arrived from the hotel roughly around 8:30am that morning. By the time we made our way to end the of the national mall you could only see the stage off in a distance. I have never seen such a concentration of people in one place. 

It was clear Washington didn't want us there from the start. There was no bathrooms everything was boarded up as you walked in and the only police where on rooftops. The crowd was rowdy, it was clear there where agitators you could spot them. At one point and older man dressed in Vietnam camo and wearing a Vietnam hat  started trying to rowdy the crowd up this was hours before the first speaker. 

I remember seeing the guys dressed up in the videos you see marching up the capital as I walked in. I thought they looked ridiculous at the time why where they in military gear for the rally was my thought. Later I saw footage of them going up the capital stairs hands on shoulder just like they marched as we walked in. 

We tried to get closer to the stage but it was just to packed I didn't want to squeeze my kids through the crowd so we stood at the end of the Washington memorial. The local Spanish news network saw my Spanish mother and thought she was a protester (even though she was decked out head to toe in American flag clothing and wearing a trump hat lol). I don't know what they said it was on Spanish and I never learned Spanish (long story) mom said they just kept trying to bait her into saying something about the crowd being racist or hating trump. Which was ridiculous there was tons of different people there, hell I even saw a gay for trump flag walking around. 

That said this wasn't your religious right crowd. There was some prayer groups around but they where out numbers 10 to 1 by angry FJB flags. The crowd was a powder keg anyone denying that is lying. 

I couldn't hear most of what trump said but I did hear him say we're going to march to the capital and make ourselves heard. The speakers before him also did there best to lead the crowd on to believe pence had some power. I remember telling mom that's not how it works pence can't do anything what are they talking about? 

I was very disappointed on our trip, I took two of my kids to show them in America we have the right and responsibility to peacefully protest when we disagree with our government. It was a big reason how my family came to America, both sets of my grandparents left their home country with my parents because they suffered persecution for being on the other side of government. I went to Washington to be heard not to be lied to and watch the right become as vulgar and nasty as the left. It was at that rally I walked away from trump and said never again. But it wasn't an insurection. That crowd was big enough and mad enough if he wanted to storm the capital and hang everyone there the national guarded couldn't have stopped it in time. 

I believe 100% it was a setup and Trump along with the rest of us where stupid enough to take the bait hook line and sinker. I blame Trump for making no attempt to settle down a rowdy crowd. He nee it everyone there new it, if only 10% of the crowd got worked up they're was no one to stop them. When they said march to capital I looked at my wife and mother grabbed the kids and said time to go. We heard about the capital stuff on the radio and made it out of town as they where shutting down Washington. I felt sick the whole way home. I new and still believe I was watching the begging of the end. 

The country's to far gone. I've been told this story my family has lived it, the ending sucks. I can't go into detail on what I believe with violating the coc but let's just say my family will be ready.

I actually agree with most of what you are saying.  I agree with your reasons for being there and your reactions. 
The rally you attended on the ellipse was not an insurrection.  Most of the people at that rally were not bad guys.  Most of them did not go to the Capitol.  
The insurrection was at the Capitol, not the ellipse.   I've seen multiple first person videos of people walking from the ellipse to the Capitol after the speeches were over.  There were men on the Capitol lawn telling the people coming from the speech to turn around if you're not ready to get violent.
I don't think it was a "setup" because Trump wanted the violent oathkeepers and proud boys there just as much as he wanted you there. Trump knew what he was trying to do, even if you didnt.

(06-12-2022, 07:57 AM)Sneakers Wrote: You keep overlooking a crucial, defining element of an insurrection, an attempt to seize power.  What new form of government tried to take control of the country?  

Your hatred of Trump blinds you to the reality of the situation.  You're obsessed with labeling this as an insurrection and holding him responsible.

Our form of government says that 50 states turn in electoral votes and Congress counts them.
The insurrectionists wanted to create a new form of government where a violent crowd gets to tell Congress to ignore what the states sent in and declare the crowd's man the winner.

I was originally wondering how you could possess such specific knowledge of Trump's private thoughts and intentions.  I thought perhaps he sent you an email, then I remembered he's living in your head.  Is it just a rental?  It sounds like he owns the place.

So, the "new form of government" would still have a Congress and states?  Not exactly the "Dictator's Guide To Insurrection, How To Overthrow The Government In 5 Easy Steps" .  You're digging yourself into a deeper hole with every post.
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(06-12-2022, 12:28 PM)Sneakers Wrote:
(06-12-2022, 08:24 AM)mikesez Wrote: I actually agree with most of what you are saying.  I agree with your reasons for being there and your reactions. 
The rally you attended on the ellipse was not an insurrection.  Most of the people at that rally were not bad guys.  Most of them did not go to the Capitol.  
The insurrection was at the Capitol, not the ellipse.   I've seen multiple first person videos of people walking from the ellipse to the Capitol after the speeches were over.  There were men on the Capitol lawn telling the people coming from the speech to turn around if you're not ready to get violent.
I don't think it was a "setup" because Trump wanted the violent oathkeepers and proud boys there just as much as he wanted you there. Trump knew what he was trying to do, even if you didnt.


Our form of government says that 50 states turn in electoral votes and Congress counts them.
The insurrectionists wanted to create a new form of government where a violent crowd gets to tell Congress to ignore what the states sent in and declare the crowd's man the winner.

I was originally wondering how you could possess such specific knowledge of Trump's private thoughts and intentions.  I thought perhaps he sent you an email, then I remembered he's living in your head.  Is it just a rental?  It sounds like he owns the place.

So, the "new form of government" would still have a Congress and states?  Not exactly the "Dictator's Guide To Insurrection, How To Overthrow The Government In 5 Easy Steps" .  You're digging yourself into a deeper hole with every post.

Look up the term "window dressing."
Just because there is still a Congress and still states doesn't mean you're not in a dictatorship. There's still a Congress and still provinces in Russia, for instance.  Napoleon III never stopped Congress from meeting in France. Yet neither Congress ever goes against their executive. And this is what that mob was trying to create. They didn't want to eliminate Congress as an institution, they wanted to intimidate it into compliance.
There is so much you clearly don't know or understand from history.  
If you perceive that you are somewhere up high compared to me, it is not because you are standing on any facts, that's for sure.  You are only standing on your own pride, and you only read my posts starting from the assumption that I'm wrong and you're right, so you're looking for something to nitpick so you can say the whole thing is wrong, and then you're done.  You have nothing to learn.  It's sad.  Read this, and try to block put your assumptions. Read about how Russia works today.  Read about the second French empire.  I'm not a teacher.  Teach yourself and come back when your level of knowledge is comparable to mine.
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(06-12-2022, 01:01 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-12-2022, 12:28 PM)Sneakers Wrote: I was originally wondering how you could possess such specific knowledge of Trump's private thoughts and intentions.  I thought perhaps he sent you an email, then I remembered he's living in your head.  Is it just a rental?  It sounds like he owns the place.

So, the "new form of government" would still have a Congress and states?  Not exactly the "Dictator's Guide To Insurrection, How To Overthrow The Government In 5 Easy Steps" .  You're digging yourself into a deeper hole with every post.

Look up the term "window dressing."
Just because there is still a Congress and still states doesn't mean you're not in a dictatorship. There's still a Congress and still provinces in Russia, for instance.  Napoleon III never stopped Congress from meeting in France. Yet neither Congress ever goes against their executive.  And this is what that mob was trying to create.  They didn't want to eliminate Congress as an institution,  they wanted to intimidate it into compliance.
There is so much you clearly don't know or understand from history.  
If you perceive that you are somewhere up high compared to me, it is not because you are standing on any facts, that's for sure.  You are only standing on your own pride, and you only read my posts starting from the assumption that I'm wrong and you're right, so you're looking for something to nitpick so you can say the whole thing is wrong, and then you're done.  You have nothing to learn.  It's sad.  Read this, and try to block put your assumptions. Read about how Russia works today.  Read about the second French empire.  I'm not a teacher.  Teach yourself and come back when your level of knowledge is comparable to mine.

He'd have to hit himself in the head with a hammer pretty hard to get back to your level of knowledge.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(06-12-2022, 04:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(06-12-2022, 01:01 PM)mikesez Wrote: Look up the term "window dressing."
Just because there is still a Congress and still states doesn't mean you're not in a dictatorship. There's still a Congress and still provinces in Russia, for instance.  Napoleon III never stopped Congress from meeting in France. Yet neither Congress ever goes against their executive.  And this is what that mob was trying to create.  They didn't want to eliminate Congress as an institution,  they wanted to intimidate it into compliance.
There is so much you clearly don't know or understand from history.  
If you perceive that you are somewhere up high compared to me, it is not because you are standing on any facts, that's for sure.  You are only standing on your own pride, and you only read my posts starting from the assumption that I'm wrong and you're right, so you're looking for something to nitpick so you can say the whole thing is wrong, and then you're done.  You have nothing to learn.  It's sad.  Read this, and try to block put your assumptions. Read about how Russia works today.  Read about the second French empire.  I'm not a teacher.  Teach yourself and come back when your level of knowledge is comparable to mine.

He'd have to hit himself in the head with a hammer pretty hard to get back to your level of knowledge.

Then a couple more times to get to get to yours.
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(06-12-2022, 07:04 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-12-2022, 04:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He'd have to hit himself in the head with a hammer pretty hard to get back to your level of knowledge.

Then a couple more times to get to get to yours.

Oh gosh no, he'd have to kill himself to reach someone as dumb as me. Not everyone can be a genu-wine expert in the complete knowledge of all human existence like you. But somehow he still manages to be both more intelligent and more likeable than you. Almost like being an odious gasbag isn't a good look and only further undercuts your credibility.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(06-12-2022, 11:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(06-12-2022, 07:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: Then a couple more times to get to get to yours.

Oh gosh no, he'd have to kill himself to reach someone as dumb as me. Not everyone can be a genu-wine expert in the complete knowledge of all human existence like you. But somehow he still manages to be both more intelligent and more likeable than you. Almost like being an odious gasbag isn't a good look and only further undercuts your credibility.

Right, if there's someone here who knows something about the right way to be an odious gasbag, it's you.  The key is just to tell people they're wrong with witty insults.  Never explain why they're wrong.
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(06-13-2022, 07:04 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-12-2022, 11:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Oh gosh no, he'd have to kill himself to reach someone as dumb as me. Not everyone can be a genu-wine expert in the complete knowledge of all human existence like you. But somehow he still manages to be both more intelligent and more likeable than you. Almost like being an odious gasbag isn't a good look and only further undercuts your credibility.

Right, if there's someone here who knows something about the right way to be an odious gasbag, it's you.  The key is just to tell people they're wrong with witty insults.  Never explain why they're wrong.

Odd, I don't see any of my posts going on for paragraphs telling people they aren't as smart as me. Seems you're trying again to redefine terms so that your takes make sense. You do love those verbal gymnastics medals.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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