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Way Too Early - Way Too Bored - 2023 Mock Draft

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(This post was last modified: 10-29-2022, 10:27 AM by Caldrac. Edited 2 times in total.)

Yes. It's early as hell. I am, however, bored as hell on a Saturday training a new employee to take the reigns on this shift. So, without further ado. Here's what I did with PFN's simulator, I also had a trade offer with the Cardinals in RD1 to move down a bit, so, I took it:

Also used a combination of NFL Draft Buzz & Drafttek to determine overall value based within reason in each round to be as realistic as possible. Overall I went after big, fast targets on offense to assist Lawrence. Nabbing a pair of good receivers and tight ends. I also backfilled some secondary positions with solid value. Williams can play man-to-man and is actually praised for his ability to get his head turned around while trailing.

Moss has been a standout at Iowa now for five years. He's experienced and solid enough to play the slot and come down in the running game. Mazi Smith fills a nice rotation in for Fatukasi with room to grow. Hicks serves in the same role at the safety position with room to grow. Eric Gray in RD7 just seems like a Jaguars type of pick in a Doug Pederson offense. Well rounded, multipurpose back. Conner will more than likely need someone pushing him next year in training camp.

RD1 - P12: Quentin Johnston - WR - TCU
RD2 - P38: Darnell Washington - TE - Georgia
RD3 - P69: AT Perry - WR - Wake Forest
RD4 - P104: Garrett Williams - CB - Syracuse
RD4 - P118: Mazi Smith - NT - Michigan
RD5 - P135: Zack Kuntz - TE - Old Dominion
RD6 - P166: Riley Moss - CB - Iowa
RD6 - P190: Ja'Von Hicks - S - Cincinnati 
RD7 - P195: Eric Gray - RB - Oklahoma
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#2

Still missing our biggest need, I dont like not having a guard either. DT/3-4 end is our biggest need imo, we need a interior pass rusher badly on this team and it shows week after week. I also dont like not having a guard on there. I like the first pick. If Jalen Carter is gone right now I want Johnston or Addison. Like you said though its very early.
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(10-29-2022, 12:32 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Still missing our biggest need, I dont like not having a guard either.  DT/3-4 end is our biggest need imo, we need a interior pass rusher badly on this team and it shows week after week.  I also dont like not having a guard on there.  I like the first pick.  If Jalen Carter is gone right now I want Johnston or Addison.  Like you said though its very early.

The guard position is interesting for me. I agree. It's a need. I have it as one of my needs in the other thread. I am just thinking they might end up extending Taylor at RT, and then they'll have to make a decision with Walker Little. I would honestly like to see him get some work in at guard this year if they do decide to get Taylor locked down. 

Van Lanen was also traded for. I know his few appearances were rough but they have to make a decision on him as well. As Scherff is only here I think for one more year. I think Mazi Smith is a good fit for NT to fill in with Fatukasi. He's 6'3, 326 pounds. I'll tell you another guy I like though, a guy you might be familiar with. He's not Jalen Carter but he would be nice a pick-up. It's Gervon Dexter out of Florida. He's bigger than Smith but has that speed you're looking for to collapse the middle.
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(This post was last modified: 10-29-2022, 02:17 PM by flgatorsandjags. Edited 2 times in total.)

(10-29-2022, 01:45 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(10-29-2022, 12:32 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Still missing our biggest need, I dont like not having a guard either.  DT/3-4 end is our biggest need imo, we need a interior pass rusher badly on this team and it shows week after week.  I also dont like not having a guard on there.  I like the first pick.  If Jalen Carter is gone right now I want Johnston or Addison.  Like you said though its very early.

The guard position is interesting for me. I agree. It's a need. I have it as one of my needs in the other thread. I am just thinking they might end up extending Taylor at RT, and then they'll have to make a decision with Walker Little. I would honestly like to see him get some work in at guard this year if they do decide to get Taylor locked down. 

Van Lanen was also traded for. I know his few appearances were rough but they have to make a decision on him as well. As Scherff is only here I think for one more year. I think Mazi Smith is a good fit for NT to fill in with Fatukasi. He's 6'3, 326 pounds. I'll tell you another guy I like though, a guy you might be familiar with. He's not Jalen Carter but he would be nice a pick-up. It's Gervon Dexter out of Florida. He's bigger than Smith but has that speed you're looking for to collapse the middle.

Dexter is good at times but no way i would take him in the first round or probably even the 2nd.  Florida's D has probably been the worst ive ever seen it this year.  What games did you really like from Dexter? Van Lanen was traded for depth and they put in Shatley when Bartch got hurt. Scherff signed a 3 year deal so we get him another 2 years at least. Its nice to have a great RG over what we have had there all these years
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(This post was last modified: 10-29-2022, 03:22 PM by Caldrac. Edited 1 time in total.)

(10-29-2022, 02:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(10-29-2022, 01:45 PM)Caldrac Wrote: The guard position is interesting for me. I agree. It's a need. I have it as one of my needs in the other thread. I am just thinking they might end up extending Taylor at RT, and then they'll have to make a decision with Walker Little. I would honestly like to see him get some work in at guard this year if they do decide to get Taylor locked down. 

Van Lanen was also traded for. I know his few appearances were rough but they have to make a decision on him as well. As Scherff is only here I think for one more year. I think Mazi Smith is a good fit for NT to fill in with Fatukasi. He's 6'3, 326 pounds. I'll tell you another guy I like though, a guy you might be familiar with. He's not Jalen Carter but he would be nice a pick-up. It's Gervon Dexter out of Florida. He's bigger than Smith but has that speed you're looking for to collapse the middle.

Dexter is good at times but no way i would take him in the first round or probably even the 2nd.  Florida's D has probably been the worst ive ever seen it this year.  What games did you really like from Dexter?  Van Lanen was traded for depth and they put in Shatley when Bartch got hurt.  Scherff signed a 3 year deal so we get him another 2 years at least.  Its nice to have a great RG over what we have had there all these years

Have not seen a whole lot of Florida games on my end. I don't see him as first or second round player though. However, it is a big game for them today in about 15 minutes. Anything he puts good on tape today could go a very long way for him. Scherff is solid. The only concern with him is long term durability over a 17 game stretch. Especially with him getting a little bit up there in age. 

I think they need to figure out what they're going to do with Walker Little more than anything. He's the wildcard in all of this. I think they have to be willing to sign Taylor back up over at RT. They did it for Cam Robinson over at LT. There's really no sense in letting him get away in the off season. You're just creating another need when we need to be focusing on skill positions on the outside and refining the interior defensive lineman positions with quality fire power and depth. 

Next year, hopefully the line-up is:

LT - Robinson
LG - Little
C - Fortner
RG - Scherff
RT - Taylor 

That would be ideal. You're now maximizing all of your draft picks from the past four+ years. 2nd RD pick at LT, 2nd RD pick at LG, 3rd RD pick at C and 2nd RT pick at RT. That's a dream come true for most teams. Is it the BEST group? No. But, if this team had maybe ONE big receiver on the outside or another viable receiving threat at say, the TE position? We're on the plus side of .500 this year and we're all happy with this offensive front.
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#6

So PFF put out a top 10 mock. You still taking Johnston at 8 (you had him 12th in yours above)? Trade back a little and try to see if you can snag him a few picks later? Or take somebody else entirely?

You'd be removing all excuses as far as the WRs go if they take him. Ridley, Kirk, Johnston, Zay, Tim Jones and Agnew is a very well rounded group.
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#7

If Anderson and Carter are off the board it would come down to either Ringo or Johnston for me. Currently, I’d take Johnston over Ringo. I would have no problems taking him top ten atm.
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#8

I’d be super open to trading down this year especially if it would net a potential first rounder next year. I really want the Jags to have a shot at getting Brock Bowers.
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#9

(11-10-2022, 01:22 AM)Eric1 Wrote: So PFF put out a top 10 mock. You still taking Johnston at 8 (you had him 12th in yours above)? Trade back a little and try to see if you can snag him a few picks later? Or take somebody else entirely?

You'd be removing all excuses as far as the WRs go if they take him. Ridley, Kirk, Johnston, Zay, Tim Jones and Agnew is a very well rounded group.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1...5622199297

If he's still on the board after the 7th overall selection is made I already have his name in ink dried on my card with the 8th selection. For me, that's a no brainer there. I am still doubling down at this position in the draft though. I would want to land AT Perry or Dontay Demus Jr. on the 2nd night of the draft or early 3rd RD for sure. 

In a perfect world? We land Johnston and Baalke moves up into RD1 again to land Michael Mayer at TE. Would be outstanding. The rest of the draft is then used adding quality depth to bolster the interior line on both sides of the football and filling in some role player positions. 

No reason to sit on all of those 4th, 5th and 6th RD picks in next year's draft.
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New run:

RD1 / P19: Cam Smith - CB - South Carolina
RD2 / P51: Darnell Washington - TE - Georgia
RD3 / P82: Warren McClendon - RT - Georgia
RD5 / P118: Tuli Tuipulotu - DT (5-tech) - USC
RD5 / P119: Dontayvion Wicks - WR - Virginia
RD5 / P150: Mike Morris - DE - Michigan
RD6 / P180: Zack Kuntz - TE - Old Dominion
RD7 / P195: Deuce Vaughn - RB - Kansas State

Goal was to land three starters between Smith at CB, Washington at TE (Hopefully to compliment Engram after he's resigned) and then McClendon at RT if Taylor ends up walking in March with Walker Little potentially still fighting for the RT job, or, maybe even Robinson's job at LT if he shows out strong these next two games (potentially play offs). 

After that? Specialty role players / depth everywhere else. Tuli at the big end position in a 3 - 4. Wicks in a pinch with his size and speed. Morris in a pass rush specialist role off the edge. Kuntz is a project at TE but he's rangy and athletic to work his way in. Tall as hell. Vaughn is a nice gadget type player that can run and catch really well out of the backfield. Fits a bit of that Agnew/Hasty role for us. Can play Special Team's as well.
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#11

Pick 19! Have mercy
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#12

(12-26-2022, 09:22 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Pick 19! Have mercy

Yeah. LOL. I thought that was interesting too. We'll be in the 20's more than likely though depending on these next two weeks shake out. Everybody seems to feel it's going to be in our favor, so, we'll see.
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#13

So who will we pick at 32?   Banana
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(12-26-2022, 01:22 PM)RicoTx Wrote: So who will we pick at 32?   Banana

Wouldn't care. LOL. Would still be higher than a giraffe's [BLEEP] if we pulled that one off.
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#15

We need offensive and defensive lineman. If we are able to re-sign Engram, which should be a priority at this point, we don't need skill players. We need more depth across the offensive line and we desperately need pass rushers and another big body along the interior to help slow down the run.

With our 5 picks in the first four rounds, I'm hoping at least 3 of them are lineman.


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#16
(This post was last modified: 12-27-2022, 10:05 AM by The Real Marty. Edited 1 time in total.)

An elite CB would help the entire defense by freeing up other players to help out elsewhere.
An elite D-lineman would help out the defensive backs by stopping the run and rushing the passer.  


So in my humble opinion, I think we should take the best available player, preferably on defense.
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#17

Just completed my first mock on Fanspeak:

Rd.1: O'Cyrus Torrence - Guard

Rd. 2: Jared Verse- Edge

Rd. 3: Garrett Williams- Nickel

Rd. 4: Mazi Smith- Defensive Tackle

Rd. 4:: Xavier Hutchinson- wide receiver

Rd. 5: Dalton Kincaid- Tight end

I'd be pleased if the Jaguars had a draft like this. Kincaid is the only player who'd likely be gone well before I took him in round 5. This draft enables Walker to move to defensive end replaced at Edge by Verse. Mazi Smith should help replace Robertson-Harris if the team can't afford him and Hutchinson went to Bartram High so he'd be a fan favorite. He'd compete with Tim Jones for Marvin Jones' spot on the roster. Torrence will replace Bartch and significantly help run game as well as pass protection.
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#18

Eager to see how late we actually end up picking.

Tyree Wilson looks like an interesting prospect that may go in the back half of the first round.
Anyone hip to this kid?

Listed as an EDGE, but would 100% be a 3-4 end / DT in our current defense. The same role Smoot and Key play when they are inside this year.

Already good against the run with upside to build on as an interior pass rusher.
(note - I'm looking at guys who may be there after pick 18 or so )
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#19
(This post was last modified: 12-29-2022, 03:22 PM by flgatorsandjags.)

(12-29-2022, 10:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Eager to see how late we actually end up picking.

Tyree Wilson looks like an interesting prospect that may go in the back half of the first round.
Anyone hip to this kid?

Listed as an EDGE, but would 100% be a 3-4 end / DT in our current defense. The same role Smoot and Key play when they are inside this year.

Already good against the run with upside to build on as an interior pass rusher.
(note - I'm looking at guys who may be there after pick 18 or so )

Ive brought him up a few times on here and even asked the Jags Texas Tech fan on here how he felt about him.  I dont think you would get a lot from him year 1 and he would be drafted on potential and more of a boom or bust pick.  Willl be intesting to see if he can kill the combine.

Still wold like to get one of Clark Phillips or Witherspoon as well.
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(12-29-2022, 12:47 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: Just completed my first mock on Fanspeak:

Rd.1: O'Cyrus Torrence -  Guard

Rd. 2: Jared Verse- Edge

Rd. 3: Garrett Williams- Nickel

Rd. 4: Mazi Smith- Defensive Tackle

Rd. 4:: Xavier Hutchinson- wide receiver

Rd. 5: Dalton Kincaid- Tight end

I'd be pleased if the Jaguars had a draft like this. Kincaid is the only player who'd likely be gone well before I took him in round 5. This draft enables Walker to move to defensive end replaced at Edge by Verse. Mazi Smith should help replace Robertson-Harris if the team can't afford him and Hutchinson went to Bartram High so he'd be a fan favorite. He'd compete with Tim Jones for Marvin Jones' spot on the roster. Torrence will replace Bartch and significantly help run game as well as pass protection.

Would you draft Torrencce with the idea of moving Scherrf to LG and putting Torrence at RG, or plugging him in at RG?

Do you see him as maybe a swing tackle?  Does he have positional versatility outside of the G positions?
 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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