Worst 5:

 

1. James Buchanan, his "leadership" inflamed the country to the point of armed conflict

2. Woodrow Wilson, the first Socialist president resulting in the income tax on a national level and the rise of Progressivism in US politics.

3. FDR. the New Deal expanded the government to monstrous size, the internment camps, his diplomatic failures at Yalta cost Eastern Europe 50 years of Communism and caused the entire Cold War

4. Obama, his failures in domestic and foreign policy will haunt us for a generation or more

5 .Carter, Two words, "Misery Index"

 

Just two quick points: calling Woodrow Wilson a Socialist is Comedy Central worthy; I think you need to read up on Roosevelt and Yalta - tell me what you think his options were and how things could have been done differently. The standard in hind-sight views of Yalta are pretty lacking in my opinion.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Is dropping 2 bombs really something you race to find a camera for? It's definitely political. Every action this bunch makes is about politics.


I'm pointing out that Christians are being slaughtered because that's the population being targeted. Why do you refuse to recognize that?

 

Anyone not Sunni is being singled out and attacked. Currently there is a large group of Christians in peril, but that has been their fate since soon after we invaded. Obviously, this is more than mere persecution, but Christians aren't the only target. The group stranded on the mountain are Yazidis. Kurds and Shiites are also targeted.

 

The airstrikes have not been limited to those 2 500 lb. bombs. I cannot think of a president that would start an operation like this without an announcement. Should Obama have done this sooner or on a larger scale? Perhaps, but please don't tell me no other world leader considers recent history and public sentiment when considering military action.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Just two quick points: calling Woodrow Wilson a Socialist is Comedy Central worthy; I think you need to read up on Roosevelt and Yalta - tell me what you think his options were and how things could have been done differently. The standard in hind-sight views of Yalta are pretty lacking in my opinion.

 

Wilson was a Socialist who couldn't conceive exactly how the government could carry out the Socialist agenda. His writings prove time and again that he believed that the rights of the community at large superseded the rights of the individuals that comprised it and that the government had every right to assume control of both the public and private spheres. Progressive, Socialist, Leftist, Democrat...a dime's worth of difference, all tracing their roots in this country to Woodrow Wilson.

 

What we know about FDR is that when he was done negotiating at Yalta the fates of millions of Eastern Europeans were doomed to fall behind the Iron Curtain.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I tuned into Meet the Press this morning for the first time in quite a while.  Wow, they don't even attempt any semblance of objectivity.  I get the distinct impression that Chuck Todd personally hand washes Obama's underwear.

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I'd say that what has been done to black men in modern America is much worse than what was done to the Japanese Americans in world war 2. At least when we were done with that exercise they went back to their lives and eventually found national acceptance as a racial group. Something black men still haven't found here.

Are you kidding me with this? How either ignorant or blatantly racist against Japanese is this?


The Japanese just went back to their old lives and eventually found national acceptance? How about many middle class and rich Japanese had all of their land and assets seized and auctioned off to the highest bidding white? They didn't go to the Holiday Inn, they did hard prison labor and were stripped of almost everything they had ever earned because they looked the wrong way. When they were released they were released poor and into a country that was fiercely racist against them for a long period. Eventually they earned acceptance by working hard, earning everything, and rarely complaining. That you would trivialize this baffles me.

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Wilson was a Socialist who couldn't conceive exactly how the government could carry out the Socialist agenda. His writings prove time and again that he believed that the rights of the community at large superseded the rights of the individuals that comprised it and that the government had every right to assume control of both the public and private spheres. Progressive, Socialist, Leftist, Democrat...a dime's worth of difference, all tracing their roots in this country to Woodrow Wilson.

 

What we know about FDR is that when he was done negotiating at Yalta the fates of millions of Eastern Europeans were doomed to fall behind the Iron Curtain.

 

Well - so you don't know why Yalta turned out as it did, but you buy the standard argument that Roosevelt should have done "something". Sorry, but in my view that's fifth grade level history. You need to read up on it.

 

Woodrow Wilson - farther of Socialism? You're kidding. Somebody has sold you some silly stuff. I suspect you see everyone similar to Eisenhower as a left-wing radical. I guess you're easily convinced.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Shoulda also dropped a couple daisie cutters on Jersey.


Apparently they're calling this the prelude to genocide. If so, where the hell is the rest of the world?

Oh yeah, let the US do it.

Meanwhile the Saudis are grinning from both of their faces.

There's genocide in Africa. Don't see any air assaults there.


I love the smell of 10 W 30 in the morning.

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Blakes Life Matters

Are you kidding me with this? How either ignorant or blatantly racist against Japanese is this?


The Japanese just went back to their old lives and eventually found national acceptance? How about many middle class and rich Japanese had all of their land and assets seized and auctioned off to the highest bidding white? They didn't go to the Holiday Inn, they did hard prison labor and were stripped of almost everything they had ever earned because they looked the wrong way. When they were released they were released poor and into a country that was fiercely racist against them for a long period. Eventually they earned acceptance by working hard, earning everything, and rarely complaining. That you would trivialize this baffles me.

 

What kind of bigot are you?

 

Black people are still suffering the kind of open air prison treatment in their own nation that the Japanese suffered for a few years.

 

You want to talk about confiscation of property? How about 12 trillion dollars worth in the war on drugs? Almost 2 trillion in 2010 alone. http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/forfeiture

 

This right-wing war on drugs started by Nixon to keep black men down needs to end, it's the worst social offense by the government against this people since slavery itself.

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What kind of bigot are you?

 

Black people are still suffering the kind of open air prison treatment in their own nation that the Japanese suffered for a few years.

 

You want to talk about confiscation of property? How about 12 trillion dollars worth in the war on drugs? Almost 2 trillion in 2010 alone. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/forfeiture'>http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/forfeiture</a>

 

This right-wing war on drugs started by Nixon to keep black men down needs to end, it's the worst social offense by the government against this people since slavery itself.

The war on drugs was started to keep black men down?

That conspiracy theory makes Jesse Ventura sound like Hawkings.

As unpopular as this may be, IMO....again, my opinion.. Yes the Japanese were dealt with harshly. Their homeland, along with Germany was destroyed.

With our help, they've pulled themselves up and are world leaders in many areas.

Our govt also gave blacks,who yes, were mistreated themselves, plenty of opportunities and still does. In fact, so many opportunities that have upset others by what they deem reverse discrimination. Sure, some have taken advantage of it. Many haven't and still use the white man holding me down crutch.

I have witnessed this in society and workplace. I mentor. Worked in management. Labor relations and labor unions.

When I read or hear the excuses, like drug wars pulling down the black man, it tells me the more things change, the more they stay the same. Excuses. Lame ones at that.

There are still issues. Always will be. But opportunity is there. Is it easy? No. It's easier to make excuses.

Flame away.

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Blakes Life Matters

What kind of bigot are you?


Black people are still suffering the kind of open air prison treatment in their own nation that the Japanese suffered for a few years.


You want to talk about confiscation of property? How about 12 trillion dollars worth in the war on drugs? Almost 2 trillion in 2010 alone. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/forfeiture'>http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/forfeiture</a>


This right-wing war on drugs started by Nixon to keep black men down needs to end, it's the worst social offense by the government against this people since slavery itself.

I never said the stripping of basic civil rights of an entire racial group was no big deal. Terrible job of deflecting. I never once mentioned anything about blacks or the war on drugs, in fact.


And all that asset forfeiture? Yeah, the majority of it was confiscated from Latinos smuggling drugs for dtos.

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I never said the stripping of basic civil rights of an entire racial group was no big deal. Terrible job of deflecting. I never once mentioned anything about blacks or the war on drugs, in fact.


And all that asset forfeiture? Yeah, the majority of it was confiscated from Latinos smuggling drugs for dtos.

 

You keep saying that FDR is the worst president ever because he did something that was much less malicious and far reaching than Nixon and those that have followed him did.

 

The five worst presidents:

 

"Dubya": allowed 9-11 on his watch, started two wars while cutting taxes, failed to create regulations that would have stopped the great recession of 2007.

Nixon: War on drugs, had an illegal deal with the Vietcong to keep the Vietnam war from ending so that he could win the 1968 election, Watergate, mafia dealings, possibly most directly criminal president of the nation ever.

Reagan: Deal with Iran to keep prisoners from being freed before election of 1980. Started the current seemingly endless cycle of insane federal deficit spending when he slashed the taxes on the super wealthy by more than half while raising the taxes on poor people resulting in an immediate national recession, S&L scandal, Iran Contra affair which was a direct result of his 1980 election deal.

Calvin Coolidge: "Dubya" of the 1920's from a regulatory perspective, it was his free market policies which lead to the 1920's mortgage bubble and great depression (sound familiar?)

Herbert Hoover: Basically what McCain would have been had he been elected. Threw all of the wrong switches, pressed all of the wrong buttons with the great depression and made what should have been something more like the 2007-current recession into the great depression creating the national appetite for FDR and his new deal.

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You keep saying that FDR is the worst president ever because he did something that was much less malicious and far reaching than Nixon and those that have followed him did.


The five worst presidents:


"Dubya": allowed 9-11 on his watch, started two wars while cutting taxes, failed to create regulations that would have stopped the great recession of 2007.

Nixon: War on drugs, had an illegal deal with the Vietcong to keep the Vietnam war from ending so that he could win the 1968 election, Watergate, mafia dealings, possibly most directly criminal president of the nation ever.

Reagan: Deal with Iran to keep prisoners from being freed before election of 1980. Started the current seemingly endless cycle of insane federal deficit spending when he slashed the taxes on the super wealthy by more than half while raising the taxes on poor people resulting in an immediate national recession, S&L scandal, Iran Contra affair which was a direct result of his 1980 election deal.

Calvin Coolidge: "Dubya" of the 1920's from a regulatory perspective, it was his free market policies which lead to the 1920's mortgage bubble and great depression (sound familiar?)

Herbert Hoover: Basically what McCain would have been had he been elected. Threw all of the wrong switches, pressed all of the wrong buttons with the great depression and made what should have been something more like the 2007-current recession into the great depression creating the national appetite for FDR and his new deal.

I never even offered my opinion on who the worst president ever was. I only addressed your embarrassing comments about internment camps.


That you would dismiss it as no big deal is disturbing. What's almost as bad is the attempted deflection from what I'm sure that you realize was a terrible choice of words, at best.

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What kind of bigot are you?

 

Black people are still suffering the kind of open air prison treatment in their own nation that the Japanese suffered for a few years.

 

You want to talk about confiscation of property? How about 12 trillion dollars worth in the war on drugs? Almost 2 trillion in 2010 alone. http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/forfeiture

 

This right-wing war on drugs started by Nixon to keep black men down needs to end, it's the worst social offense by the government against this people since slavery itself.

 

So you're saying that black people can only deal drugs?  And that only black people deal drugs?  That sounds pretty racist.

 

The anti-drug precedent was set by good ol' LBJ.  And keep in mind that even he had his reasons -- reasons that extended to the Nixon era and beyond.  Much of crime was believed to be drug related.  And the policies were continued not only by Gerald Ford, but by good ol' Jimmy Carter too.  IT was far from the "right-wing" war on drugs you present it to be.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

So you're saying that black people can only deal drugs?  And that only black people deal drugs?  That sounds pretty racist.

 

The anti-drug precedent was set by good ol' LBJ.  And keep in mind that even he had his reasons -- reasons that extended to the Nixon era and beyond.  Much of crime was believed to be drug related.  And the policies were continued not only by Gerald Ford, but by good ol' Jimmy Carter too.  IT was far from the "right-wing" war on drugs you present it to be.

Please don't debunk Oklahomie's talking points with facts.  It gets you nowhere. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

So you're saying that black people can only deal drugs?  And that only black people deal drugs?  That sounds pretty racist.

 

The anti-drug precedent was set by good ol' LBJ.  And keep in mind that even he had his reasons -- reasons that extended to the Nixon era and beyond.  Much of crime was believed to be drug related.  And the policies were continued not only by Gerald Ford, but by good ol' Jimmy Carter too.  IT was far from the "right-wing" war on drugs you present it to be.

 

I'm not saying that only black people can deal drugs or use them, I'm saying the purpose of the laws after 40 years is clear, keep black men in jail and their civil rights arrested via a criminal record.

 

Do a small bit of research and you'll find that the penalties black men face for drug crimes are higher and are more likely to be heavily prosecuted.

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I'm not saying that only black people can deal drugs or use them, I'm saying the purpose of the laws after 40 years is clear, keep black men in jail and their civil rights arrested via a criminal record.


Do a small bit of research and you'll find that the penalties black men face for drug crimes are higher and are more likely to be heavily prosecuted.

Or you can go look and see that the majority of those seizures are from Latinos that are working for the drug cartels. The ports of entry alone seize 100 million per year in just bulk cash smuggling to the cartels. That 2 billion per year of federal seizures isn't the feds knocking on Johnny-Poor-Black man's door and seizing everything because he has a joint.

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Or you can go look and see that the majority of those seizures are from Latinos that are working for the drug cartels. The ports of entry alone seize 100 million per year in just bulk cash smuggling to the cartels. That 2 billion per year of federal seizures isn't the feds knocking on Johnny-Poor-Black man's door and seizing everything because he has a joint.

 

Great point, 100 million in bulk cash smuggling, you say? Out of 2 trillion?

 

Sure a lot of those seizures are something other than black people's possessions. Probably because black people have so little wealth to start with.

 

So what were the figures on what was confiscated from the west coast Japanese interned during WWII that makes FDR so much worse, again?

 

Of course if you're just arguing over semantics or figures at this point and want to drop the notion that the guy that got elected to the presidency 4 times was one of the worst presidents ever then I guess we're done here.

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Of course if you're just arguing over semantics or figures at this point and want to drop the notion that the guy that got elected to the presidency 4 times was one of the worst presidents ever then I guess we're done here.

 

Bush got elected twice.  Guess he's better than the guys who got elected once.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Great point, 100 million in bulk cash smuggling, you say? Out of 2 trillion?


Sure a lot of those seizures are something other than black people's possessions. Probably because black people have so little wealth to start with.


So what were the figures on what was confiscated from the west coast Japanese interned during WWII that makes FDR so much worse, again?


Of course if you're just arguing over semantics or figures at this point and want to drop the notion that the guy that got elected to the presidency 4 times was one of the worst presidents ever then I guess we're done here.

You really have no problem with 100 million dollars going directly into the Mexican drug cartels coffers immediately after crossing the border? You want the most violent criminal gangs in the world to have this money?

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You really have a problem with 100 million dollars going directly into the Mexican drug cartels coffers immediately after crossing the border? You want the most violent criminal gangs in the world to have this money?

 

"HEY GUYS, LOOK OVER HERE, ITS OKAY THAT THE WAR ON DRUGS PRIMARILY IMPACTS POOR BLACKS, IT'S NOT RACIST BECAUSE THE MONEY THAT WOULDN'T BE MADE BY THE CARTELS IF DRUGS WERE LEGAL IS SOMETIMES CONFISCATED!"

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