Quote:Yes, they feel and think like woman do. this doesn't make them crazy, imo.
It means something is not right up there (what i mean by "right" is behaving how you genetically are). In some accounts, this can be a product of how they were raised, the culture they grew up in, or any experience they may have had in their life.The mind is a powerful and scary place tbh.
Bottom line, there are two types in the human species (excluding, any genetic defect), male and female, you do
not have a choice.
Which brings back to my point, transgender has EVERYTHING to do with the their mind not behaving normally.
Quote:It means something is not right up there (what i mean by "right" is behaving how you genetically are). In some accounts, this can be a product of how they were raised, the culture they grew up in, or any experience they may have had in their life.The mind is a powerful and scary place tbh.
Bottom line, there are two types in the human species (excluding, any genetic defect), male and female, you do not have a choice.
Which brings back to my point, transgender has EVERYTHING to do with the their mind not behaving normally.
Well, I agree with parts of this. Yes, they're not right up there because they're brain is telling them they have thoughts and feelings like a woman or man, but the plumbing doesn't match. Genetically, yes they're either male or female. I do not agree at all that environment has anything to do with it. This is that old "you chose to be gay, etc" debate and It's untrue.
Quote:Well, I agree with parts of this. Yes, they're not right up there because they're brain is telling them they have thoughts and feelings like a woman or man, but the plumbing doesn't match. Genetically, yes they're either male or female. I do not agree at all that environment has anything to do with it. This is that old "you chose to be gay, etc" debate and It's untrue.
I understand your point. However, you don't think upbringing and social experiences play a role in decisions?
Example; (of course not all, but a fairly common occurrence) women who have experienced domestic violence or molested by a man as a child, turn to women when they get older. Would the chance not be greater?
BTW, thanks for discussing. I hope I am not offending anyone through all of this. I know this can be a touchy subject.
looks like Sam and his bf split up 6 months after getting engaged.
Quote:Just realised the articles are from 2015. Why post it now?
Because after reading
this in the local newspaper it made me do a bit of research.
Quote:I understand your point. However, you don't think upbringing and social experiences play a role in decisions?
Example; (of course not all, but a fairly common occurrence) women who have experienced domestic violence or molested by a man as a child, turn to women when they get older. Would the chance not be greater?
BTW, thanks for discussing. I hope I am not offending anyone through all of this. I know this can be a touchy subject.
Wow! It is possible to not be vile in this section of the forum?! What?
Someone molested as a child may ping pong between a man or woman looking for love and acceptance but ultimately fail with either. This, IMO, doesn't make them gay through. You are what you are. They'd probably be screwed up, yes.
Quote:Wow! It is possible to not be vile in this section of the forum?! What?
Someone molested as a child may ping pong between a man or woman looking for love and acceptance but ultimately fail with either. This, IMO, doesn't make them gay through. You are what you are. They'd probably be screwed up, yes.
So the idea is that a person can be naturally abnormal/deviant but not environmentally conditioned to be abnormal/deviant?
Quote:Wow! It is possible to not be vile in this section of the forum?! What?
Someone molested as a child may ping pong between a man or woman looking for love and acceptance but ultimately fail with either. This, IMO, doesn't make them gay through. You are what you are. They'd probably be screwed up, yes.
Wait, are you saying a person can get away with....."I can have sex with the same sex, but if it doesn't mean anything, then I am not gay"
The decision was made to have sex with that person. For whatever reason, that person was attracted (emotionally or physically) to the other party.
Their mind allowed them to feel this attraction....
Quote:So the idea is that a person can be naturally abnormal/deviant but not environmentally conditioned to be abnormal/deviant?
This was one of my original points to Minorcan. I kind of digressed a little bit.
Quote:So the idea is that a person can be naturally abnormal/deviant but not environmentally conditioned to be abnormal/deviant?
Abnormal and deviant? I'm not going there with this type of thinking as you have obvious opinions on gay people.
Quote:Wait, are you saying a person can get away with....."I can have sex with the same sex, but if it doesn't mean anything, then I am not gay"
The decision was made to have sex with that person. For whatever reason, that person was attracted (emotionally or physically) to the other party.
Their mind allowed them to feel this attraction....
No one is "getting away" with anything. My belief is that you're born gay. Gay = equals atrracted to the same sexxx, Anyone can sleep with anyone because they may just be sexually free, or whatever. I've had straight friends who I've felt would be swayed after a drink or what not, but they're not gay. I think some people, using the example you gave where a child was molested, 'may' seek out anyone that they feel would make them feel whole or accepted. It may have nothing to do with attraction at all.
The majority aren't gay because they were abused though, which was sort of my point.
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Also, I'm not a therapist and have no idea how being molested as a child affects people as adults. I don't believe environtment can make you attracted to someone other than what you were pre-programmed to be in the first place.
But we can agree that all women are crazy right? Straight or gay.
Quote:Wait, are you saying a person can get away with....."I can have sex with the same sex, but if it doesn't mean anything, then I am not gay"
The decision was made to have sex with that person. For whatever reason, that person was attracted (emotionally or physically) to the other party.
Their mind allowed them to feel this attraction....
Yes, that's what I'm saying. But I believe sexuality can be fluid with some people. Also, I don't keep score on labeling people and really don't care who sleeps with whom. People are allowed to do what they want and and be with who they want.
I'm gay and this I know. Other people I don't speak for their label. I have no problem labeling myself. Also, I wasn't abused or molested. Baby, I was born this way.
Quote:Abnormal and deviant? I'm not going there with this type of thinking as you have obvious opinions on gay people.
No one is "getting away" with anything. My belief is that you're born gay. Gay = equals atrracted to the same sexxx, Anyone can sleep with anyone because they may just be sexually free, or whatever. I've had straight friends who I've felt would be swayed after a drink or what not, but they're not gay. I think some people, using the example you gave where a child was molested, 'may' seek out anyone that they feel would make them feel whole or accepted. It may have nothing to do with attraction at all.
The majority aren't gay because they were abused though, which was sort of my point.
Don't be defensive, those are the correct terms for homosexuality. I'm not speaking to morality but to the abnormalcy of the condition of <10% of the population.
Quote:But we can agree that all women are crazy right? Straight or gay.
And deviant, don't forget that
Quote:Don't be defensive, those are the correct terms for homosexuality. I'm not speaking to morality but to the abnormalcy of the condition of <10% of the population.
Ha, those are in fact not the correct terms what so ever! What year are we living in. I think it's great than 10%, but whatever. Not everyone is cool with being deviant and open.
"Deviant" seems a bit harsh to me. Even "abnormal" doesn't quite sound right.
Quote:And deviant, don't forget that
Women are more than half of the population, if anything the males are the deviants, but we already knew that.
Quote:"Deviant" seems a bit harsh to me. Even "abnormal" doesn't quite sound right.
Deviation from the norm = deviant. Homosexuality is a deviation of human sexual behavior. That's all it means. I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone and I don't really care one way or the other, it's just a word.
Who gets to decide what's "normal"? What's "normal" for one person, may not be "normal" for another person. That applies to pretty much any subject. Including sex.