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Call him whatever you want, but I think Robinson has the tools to be a top 15 WR in the league. I think he has a Herman Moore ceiling and that would bode really well for the Jaguars, whether he is a "1" or "2".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjHOM1TW...u.be&t=27s

 

The Jaguars with the 3rd overall pick draft WR Amari Cooper

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3X3h8p-_Xo

 

White is good but he's no Cooper

Quote:Except it's the exact opposite now. Jamming the receiver is the en vogue way to try to stop a #1. The reason the small guys can't be true #1's (or have to be schemed like Cruz's breakout 2011 from the slot) is because they can't beat the jam regularly on the outside. It's why Lee will never be a #1, he has shown no ability to beat the jam (or make a contested downfield sideline catch for that matter).

 

Antonio Brown's and Odell Beckham's (or Steve Smith of old) are rare breeds that can do it regularly despite being undersized. Robinson has the size and physicality to beat a jam, and also the vertical and hands in addition to that to make a contested downfield grab, like a Mike Evans as you mentioned. In addition to the article that showed he ran an extremely impressive route tree for someone of his age and inexperience, I have no doubt Arob could be a true top tier #1 WR in fairly short order. 

 

We'll see, but I don't think he can be that true #1 WR. Yeah he has a good vert and hands, but he's not Evans or Benjamin in that regard. Allen is big, but those guys are BIG. And they are just as fast if not slightly faster than ARob. Kelvin's YPC is 13.8. Mike Evans is 15+

 

ARob, now granted part of it might be the offense (but then again it seemed Hurns was more of a beneficiary of deep balls), but his YPC is a paltry 11.4. That's #2 and a possession type receiver number.

 

And I also agree that Lee won't be a #1, which is why I won't be too disappointed if they choose to go Cooper or White at 3.

Cooper is a beast.

Lets have two number 1 WRs. This team hasnt had an explosive offense in over a decade. If im starting to get to the point where Im hoping for Cooper over LEO because I just want to see a functioning offense for once. We didnt get great pressure last year but I felt the defense played well enough to win a few more games. This coming year they gained talent/experience so just go help out the offense some more. 

i really hope robinson stays healthy this season... bortles found AR15 quite a bit while he was in... if BB, AR, and Lee can manage to build a good connection, adding thomas makes that attack look lethal .. spinkle a RB on top and we got our selves an offense.

Quote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjHOM1TW...u.be&t=27s

 

The Jaguars with the 3rd overall pick draft WR Amari Cooper

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3X3h8p-_Xo

 

White is good but he's no Cooper

this would make us scary... if you key on cooper, we finally have enough play makers(and a QB) to punish someone in multiple ways... BUT the potential of our D, if williams was avalible at 3, is the only thing that turns me away from cooper... adding a potential top tier D lineman to play next to marks when he come back from injury is SOOO inciting,.. having a decent pass rush like last year is something i never want go without again.... it was tragic watching that team get abused when we had nothing up front and imo, thats where alot of our bad blow out games stemmed from durring the gabbert era... well that and the fact that gabbert was garbage and went 3 and out more times than not.

Small guys can't beat the jam... LOL...

it's a crime if we dont take cooper.. the most sure thing in the draft

Not a fan of Cooper. If we take him, I'll support him, but I don't get the hype.

 

Here's what I see...

• Average speed
  
• Poor hands
  
• Average route runner
  
• Average blocker
  
• Quits on routes
  

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Not a fan of Cooper. If we take him, I'll support him, but I don't get the hype.

 

Here's what I see...

• Average speed
  
• Poor hands
  
• Average route runner
  
• Average blocker
  
• Quits on routes
  

 

 

and here's what I see:

 

you've ever never seen him play... orrr (and more likely) you're just at troll

Quote:and here's what I see:

 

you've ever never seen him play... orrr (and more likely) you're just at troll

It's certainly your prerogative to disagree with my opinion. Would you care to explain as opposed to inferring I've never seen him play?

Quote:Id really like to know one team where Arob isn't good enough to even be the number 3 receiver besides the colts.

Bengals: AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Muhammed Sanu


I don't think A ROB would Crack that one IMO.


There's probably more teams also,, Broncos maybe? Bucs?

Quote:It's certainly your prerogative to disagree with my opinion. Would you care to explain as opposed to inferring I've never seen him play?

 

Truth is, he's got sufficient speed and has the rare ability to consistently beat his man at the line of scrimmage (not unlike Jerry Rice.)

 

He's got very good hands.

 

He's an excellent, if not elite route runner.

 

He's not being drafted to block.  No matter your opinion of that skill. Ernest Wilford, he's not... and that's a good thing.

 

He's self-motivated, and has a work ethic second to none.  Yet another area he's been compared to Jerry Rice.

 

That's nothing like whatever, or whoever, you described.

Quote:Truth is, he's got sufficient speed and has the rare ability to consistently beat his man at the line of scrimmage (not unlike Jerry Rice.)

 

He's got very good hands.

 

He's an excellent, if not elite route runner.

 

He's not being drafted to block.  No matter your opinion of that skill. Ernest Wilford, he's not... and that's a good thing.

 

He's self-motivated, and has a work ethic second to none.  Yet another area he's been compared to Jerry Rice.

 

That's nothing like whatever, or whoever, you described.

Fair enough, but I disagree. Keep in mind, I'm just a football fan, not a scout. What I have seen from Cooper is a solid, yet unspectacular player. I think he can have some success in this league, but I don't see him as a game-changer.

• You say he has "very good hands", but I believe he dropped around 15 passes over the past two seasons, with the majority coming last season. The game vs. Ohio State was particularly rough in this aspect.
  
• I personally don't see the elite route running ability, but I've seen others mention that.
  
• True, he definitely isn't being drafted specifically to block. However, he WILL be asked to block in our system and you'd like him to be able to at least hold his own. I haven't seen anything to suggest he can.
  
• I'm not debating his work ethic, I'm saying he quits on routes. Maybe it was the college level and he was bored of the level of competition? Whatever the case, there's clearly evidence of routes that Cooper quit on. That's something that is clearly correctable, but you can't have that at the next level.
  

Quote:Bengals: AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Muhammed Sanu


I don't think A ROB would Crack that one IMO.


There's probably more teams also,, Broncos maybe? Bucs?

 I havent seen much of Marvin, I cant speak on bengals.

 

Broncos yes he'd be number 3 over Latimer and bucs he'd be #3 as well

Quote:Bengals: AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Muhammed Sanu


I don't think A ROB would Crack that one IMO.


There's probably more teams also,, Broncos maybe? Bucs?

I think A Rob is going to be better than Sanu, but that's just me..

Allen Robinson


48 Rec 548 Yards 2 TDs


Muhammad Sanu


56 Rec 790 Yards 5 TDs


And Robinson missed like what? 6 games? Playing on a struggling offense. Not a bad stat line considering he's a rookie compared to the vet.

Quote:Allen Robinson


48 Rec 548 Yards 2 TDs


Muhammad Sanu


56 Rec 790 Yards 5 TDs


And Robinson missed like what? 6 games? Playing on a struggling offense. Not a bad stat line considering he's a rookie compared to the vet.

I bet if we had Sanu, people here would be saying he couldn't start over Green, Robinson, and Jones... Lol

Quote:Allen Robinson


48 Rec 548 Yards 2 TDs


Muhammad Sanu


56 Rec 790 Yards 5 TDs


And Robinson missed like what? 6 games? Playing on a struggling offense. Not a bad stat line considering he's a rookie compared to the vet.

Bengals relied very heavily on a stout running game last season. The Jags,,, not so much. Sanu putup some solid performances when Green was out.


Maybe AR15 will end up better,, right now I say it's Sanu