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Forget the Adrian Peterson trade scenario. What would you all think about this draft?  Cleveland trades up to #2 with Tennesse to get Mariota.  Then the Saints, who have done some wacky things this off season, come calling to trade up to #3.  In this scenario, the vikings take Gurley at #11 (I think Adrian Peterson ends up in Dallas).  Dave Caldwell decides not to wait on a RB and grabs Melvin Gordon, knowing that a very good LEO will still be there at the end of round 1. Then we get a starting FS in round 2, and dynamic slot WR in round 3 with Phillip Dorsett (not sure he lasts this long come draft time). 

 

1. (13) RB Melvin Gordon - Wisonsin

1. (31) LEO Eli Harold - Virginia

2. (36) FS Eric Rowe - Utah

3. (67) WR Phillip Dorsett - Miami

3. (75) DE/DT Xavier Cooper - Washington State

4. (103) ILB Ramik Wilson - Georgia

 

Not realistic?  I think Gurley and Gordon are special, and all the RB's after them can be interchanged and are a toss up.  I would prefer Gurley, but Gordon is healthy now and would give us some star power and be the scoring threat we need.  Here's how it plays out:

 

1. TAM – QB Jameis Winston
   
   
   
2. CLE – QB Marcus Mariota (from TEN for 12, 19, 3^rd
   , 2016 1st)
   
3. N.O.  – OLB Dante Fowler Jr (from JAC for picks 13,19, 75, 2016 2^nd
   round)
   
4. OAK – DT Leonard Williams
   
   
   
5. WAS – OLB Vic Beasley
   
   
   
6. NYJ –  WR Amari Cooper
   
   
   
7. CHI – WR Kevin White
   
   
   
8. ATL – OT Brandon Schreff
   
   
   
9. MIA – WR Devante Parker (from NYG)
   
   
   
10. STL – OT La’el Collins
    
    
    
11. MIN – RB Todd Gurley  **If Minnesota take CB Trae Waynes, we take Gurley at #13 instead
    
    
    
12. TEN- CB Trae Waynes (from CLE)
    
    
    
13. JAC – RB Melvin Gordon (from N.O.)
    
    
    
14. NYG – DT Danny Shelton (from MIA)
    
    
    
15. S.F. – CB Marcus Peters
    
    
    
16. HOU – WR Dorial Green-Beckham
    
    
    
17. S.D. – SS Landon Collins
    
    
    
18. K.C. – WR Breshad Perriman
    
    
    
19. TEN – OT Ereck Flowers (from N.O.)
    
    
    
20. PHI – DT Arik Armstead
    
    
    
21. CIN- OLB/DE Bud Dupree
    
    
    
22. PIT – DE/OLB Shane Ray
    
    
    
23. DET – OT T. J. Clemmings
    
    
    
24. ARI – DE/OLB Randy Gregory
    
    
    
25. CAR – OT Andrus Peat
    
    
    
26. BAL – WR Jaelen Strong
    
    
    
27. DAL – DT Malcolm Brown
    
    
    
28. DEN – OT Jake Fisher
    
    
    
29. IND – OC Cameron Irving
    
    
    
30. G.B. – LB Eric Kendricks
    
    
    
31. JAC  – DE/OLB Eli Harold (from N.O.)
    
    
    
32. N.E. – CB Jalen Collins
    
    
    
33. TAM – OT D.J. Humphries
    
    
    
34. TEN – DE Preston Smith
    
    
    
35. OAK – DE Owa Odighizuwa
    
    
    
36. JAC – FS Eric Rowe
    
    
    
37. NYJ – DE/OLB Danielle Hunter
    
    
    
38. WAS – CB Kevin Johnson
    
    
    
39. CHI – DT Eddie Goldman
    
    
    
40. NYG – CB/FS Byron Jones
    
    
    
41. STL –  WR Sammie Coates
    
    
    
42. ATL – DE Nate Orchard
    
    
    
43. CLE – TE Maxx Williams
    
    
    
44. N.O. – OG A. J. Cann
    
    
    
45. MIN – WR Nelson Agholor
    
    
    
46. S.F. – LB Benardrick McKinney
    
    
    
47. NYG – OT Donovan Smith (from Miami)
    
    
    
48. S.D. – RB Jay Ajayi
    
    
    
49. K.C. – DE Mario Edwards Jr.
    
    
    
50. BUF – LB Shaq Thompson
    
    
    
51. HOU – LB Paul Dawson
    
    
    
52. PHI – OG Laken Tomlinson
    
    
    
53. CIN – DT Jordan Phillps
    
    
    
54. DET – DT Grady Jarrett
    
    
    
55. ARI – RB Tevin Coleman
    
    
    
56. PIT – CB P.J. Williams
    
    
    
57. CAR – RB Ameer Abdullah
    
    
    
58. BAL – CB/S Quinten Rollins
    
    
    
59. DEN – FS Damarious Randall
    
    
    
60. MIN – LB Denzel Perryman (from DAL for Adrian Peterson)
    
    
    
61. IND – ILB Stephone Anthony
    
    
    
62. G.B. – DT Carl Davis
    
    
    
63. SEA – OC Reese Dismukes
    
    
    
64. N.E. – OG Tre’ Jackson
    
    
    
65. TAM – OT Daryl Williams
    
    
    
66. TEN – WR Tyler Lockett
    
    
    
67. JAC – WR Phillip Dorsett
    
    
    
68. OAK – WR Devin Funchess
    
    
    
69. WAS – OT Ty Sambraillo
    
    
    
70. NYJ – RB Duke Johnson
    
    
    
71. CHI – CB Ronald Darby
    
    
    
72. STL – DE Lorenzo Mauldin
    
    
    
73. ATL – RB David Johnson
    
    
    
74. NYG – S Cody Prewitt
    
    
    
75. JAC – DE/DT Xavier Cooper(from N.O.)
    
    
    
76. MIN – CB Josh Shaw
    
    
    
77. CLE – WR Devin Smith
    
    
    
78. N.O. – TE Clive Walford
    
    
    
79. S.F. – DE Henry Anderson
    
    
    
80. K.C. – LB Kwon Alexander
    
    
    
81. BUF – DT Michael Bennett
    
    
    
82. HOU – CB Alex Carter
    
    
    
83. S.D. – QB Brett Hundley
    
    
    
84. PHI – OC Hroniss Grasu
    
    
    
85. CIN – OT Cedric Ogbuehi
    
    
    
86. ARI – DE Travis Raciti
    
    
    
87. PIT – S Jaquiski Tartt
    
    
    
88. DET – CB Steven Nelson
    
    
    
89. CAR – WR Rashad Greene
    
    
    
90. BAL – OLB Max Valles
    
    
    
91. DAL – QB Bryce Petty
    
    
    
92. DEN – ILB Taiwan Jones
    
    
    
93. IND – FS Derron Smith
    
    
    
94. G.B. – CB D’Joun Smith
    
    
    
95. SEA – DE Trey Flowers
    
    
    
96. N.E. – WR Chris Conley
    
    
    
97. N.E. – RB Jeremy Langford
    
    
    
98. K.C. – OC B.J. Finney
    
    
    
99. CIN – LB Jordan Hicks
    
    
    
100. TEN – SS Anthony Harris
     
     
     
101. N.E. – DT Ellis McCarthy
     
     
     
102. OAK – FS Gerod Holliman
     
     
     
103. JAC – ILB Ramik Wilson
     
     
     

If we stay at #3 and take Leonard Williams, who we don't need really, we are just going to end up having to use the 2nd round pick on a LEO (probably Eli Harold or Danielle Hunter) anyway, so why not trade #3 and get some extra picks while filling just about all of our needs with dynamic players AND getting a clear cut starting RB, not "just a guy to compete"?

I think this particular scenario is unrealistic. The Saints are in rebuild mode. They aren't giving up that many picks for one player. They need to completely restock their own offense.

Quote:I think this particular scenario is unrealistic. The Saints are in rebuild mode. They aren't giving up that many picks for one player. They need to completely restock their own offense.

Especially when Dupree or Gregory will most likely be there at 13 anyways...

Quote:Especially when Dupree or Gregory will most likely be there at 13 anyways...

In this scenario they are. Along with Ray.

I dont see Harold falling that far. I would also rather rather stay with the 3rd pick

I admit it is far-fetched, but the Saints have done some wacky things this off season, and this just goes along with that premise.  Also, Atlanta might take Bud Dupree at #9 now, so that might play into the Saints strategy.  I don't think they will want Gregory with his baggae, and Ray seems to have fallen off some.

 

More realistic might be the Titans taking Leonard Williams after nobody offers them what they feel is enough for #2, then the Browns offering Caldwell some picks and he takes the deal.

 

Maybe something like this.  I'd love this one:

 

1. TAM – QB Jameis Winston
   
   
   
2. TEN – DT Leonard Williams
   
   
   
3. CLE – QB Marcus Mariota (from JAC for 12, 19, 3^rd
   , 2016 1st)
   
4. OAK – WR Kevin White
   
   
   
5. WAS –  OLB Dante Fowler Jr
   
   
   
6. NYJ –  OLB Vic Beasley
   
   
   
7. CHI – WR Amari Cooper
   
   
   
8. ATL – OLB Bud Dupree
   
   
   
9. NYG- OT Brandon Schreff
   
   
   
10. STL – WR Devante Parker
    
    
    
11. MIN – CB Trae Waynes
    
    
    
12. JAC – RB Todd Gurley
    
    
    
13. N.O. – DT Danny Shelton
    
    
    
14. MIA – WR Dorial Green -Beckham
    
    
    
15. S.F. – CB Marcus Peterson
    
    
    
16. HOU – OT La’el Collins
    
    
    
17. S.D. – RB Melvin Gordon
    
    
    
18. K.C. – WR Breshad Perriman
    
    
    
19. JAC -  DE Shane Ray
    
    
    

Quote:I think this particular scenario is unrealistic. The Saints are in rebuild mode. They aren't giving up that many picks for one player. They need to completely restock their own offense.

Especially for an average pass rusher. Maybe a QB.

If we could get Gurley/Gordon and Harold/Gregory I would be completely on board.

Looks like you have it all figured out. Im on board with this line of thought

I wouldn't draft Gordon that high, especially when there are other quality RBs in round 2 & 3.

No to Gordon that high and no to Shane Ray in any scenario.

I wouldn't take a running back anywhere in the top half of the first round and I'm a huge, huge Gurley fan.

I understand RB's have been "devalued" by the NFL, but Gurley and Gordon are special talents.  They will most likely both go in the 1st round.  Some people are saying, "I'd only one of them in the late 1st round."  Who cares if we take one of them in the late 20's or in the early teens?  What difference does it make, as long as we get one of them?  Both would be the dynamic RB and star we need on this team to be a clear cut starter, not just a guy to compete, like all other RB's will probably be.  We need somebody to score TD's more than we need somebody to sack the QB.  We were top 10 in sacks last year, but terrible in scoring.  A stud RB will only help Bortles, who is going to need all the help he can get.

 

 There are plenty of LEO's to be taken later in the draft outside the 1st round. 

 

With the signing of Odrick, Leonard Williams is almost the last thing we need, but unfortunately I have a feeling Caldwell will feel pretty much forced to pick him at #3 due to the consensus he is the best player in the draft.  Just our luck.  Don't need the position at all, but we get the "best player" in the whole draft. 

Quote:With the signing of Odrick, Leonard Williams is almost the last thing we need, but unfortunately I have a feeling Caldwell will feel pretty much forced to pick him at #3 due to the consensus he is the best player in the draft. Just our luck. Don't need the position at all, but we get the "best player" in the whole draft.

Of all the possible reasons to pick someone over Williams I find this one to be the absolute worst.


"Don't need the position at all"


Really?


Give me the I like this guy over Williams... but we don't have two Pro Bowl DT/DE on the roster...Both starting DT are coming off injury and Marks will most likely miss all of the off season and will hopefully be back by the start of the season.


Don't need the position at all?

That's a terrible draft

I'm not really feeling that.  Plus, though I think the Jaguars would have some opportunities to trade down, I can't see the Saints trade happening at all.  I would have said the Browns trade was far fetched too if I hadn't heard the rumors they'd be willing to do that.  But apparently Tennessee wanted their 2nd rounder too and the Browns wasn't into that.  Seems to me like the Browns have the leverage, they can just trade to #3 instead since I doubt another team would offer more than that.  But then again that could all be made up.

I can't see any RB going in the top 15, let alone two..

Quote:I understand RB's have been "devalued" by the NFL, but Gurley and Gordon are special talents. They will most likely both go in the 1st round. Some people are saying, "I'd only one of them in the late 1st round." Who cares if we take one of them in the late 20's or in the early teens? What difference does it make, as long as we get one of them? Both would be the dynamic RB and star we need on this team to be a clear cut starter, not just a guy to compete, like all other RB's will probably be. We need somebody to score TD's more than we need somebody to sack the QB. We were top 10 in sacks last year, but terrible in scoring. A stud RB will only help Bortles, who is going to need all the help he can get.


There are plenty of LEO's to be taken later in the draft outside the 1st round.


With the signing of Odrick, Leonard Williams is almost the last thing we need, but unfortunately I have a feeling Caldwell will feel pretty much forced to pick him at #3 due to the consensus he is the best player in the draft. Just our luck. Don't need the position at all, but we get the "best player" in the whole draft.

If there's one thing I can say about this draft for certain, its that Dave isn't going to let anyone, especially the media, twist his hand into picking someone he doesn't want at any spot/round

Quote:That's a terrible draft

So if we ended up with Melvin Gordon, Eli Harold, Eric Rowe and Phillip Dorsett you would be disappointed?

 

Or it's a "terrible draft" because you don't believe it is realistic as far as the players being available where they are picked here?