For about a week or so, there has been a rumor of a possible trade proposal that would allegedly send Chargers' QB Phillip Rivers and the Chargers first round pick to the Tacks for the #2 overall pick. The Bears would then take Marcus Mariota, while Tennessee would have Rivers, an experienced Pro Bowl QB.
Now comes rumors that the Bears, currently sitting at the #7 overall pick, is offering a similar deal, sending pariah QB Jay Cutler and the #7 to Tennessee for the #2 overall pick.
Assuming for the moment these represent actual proposals for the #2 overall pick (a huge leap at this point), as someone who detests the Tacks, what would you rather see them do: Take the Chargers deal or the Bears, or stay at 2 and make a pick themselves?
Why?
If you are a Tacks fan, which of the three options would you want the team to take and why?
I'm not sure they'd agree to either deal without first throwing in at least another draft pick. I don't think San Diego or Chicago can honestly tell Tennessee that they should pick up their older QBs while they draft a newer younger QB and only switch positions. Maybe if they throw in a 2nd or 3rd.
Otherwise, I hope they just pick up Mariota or Winston. I'm not a huge fan of either one, so I'm not so sure that they'll give them what we've seen from Rivers even if it's only for a few years.
If they trade, I hope they trade with Chicago. We'll at least get a few INTs out of it.
As a Jags fan, I would be more than thrilled if they took either of those deals. Rivers is 34 and the titans have literally no one at any of the skill positions (edit: ok, Delanie Walker), and Cutler is irrelevant in this league.
The tacks are in a tough spot; they either draft Mariota and hope he's not a bust, or trade down and hope he is. Meanwhile the Jags get to decide between Leonard Williams and Vic Beasley, or trading down with someone who wants Mariota if the tacks pass.
I'd much rather be a Jags fan than a tacks fan these days, although I don't think it will be too long before both teams are battling for the top of the division again.
Well, I am a Titans' fan and I don't really like any of those deals. The Rivers deal looks good because he's already proven and it's a QB Whisenhunt is familiar with. I wouldn't mind this deal too much as long as there are more picks involved. They're probably not going to retain Rivers after next season. He doesn't want to be there. Chargers want too much for him. It's in the realm of possibilities, but I don't think it happens. I like the idea of Manning retiring next season and Denver signing Rivers. That would be epic.
Cutler? Gross.
I'm not real hot on Mariota either. I don't hate him but we could use help in a lot of other places and I'm not sure I want to see us try to fit a square peg into a round hole for the next four to five years.
It is a tough position to be in. I'm kinda favoring the Titans' giving Mettenberger a chance and using their pick for a difference-maker elsewhere. Maybe Cooper. Wouldn't that shock everybody.
Quote:I'm not sure they'd agree to either deal without first throwing in at least another draft pick. I don't think San Diego or Chicago can honestly tell Tennessee that they should pick up their older QBs while they draft a newer younger QB and only switch positions. Maybe if they throw in a 2nd or 3rd.
Otherwise, I hope they just pick up Mariota or Winston. I'm not a huge fan of either one, so I'm not so sure that they'll give them what we've seen from Rivers even if it's only for a few years.
If they trade, I hope they trade with Chicago. We'll at least get a few INTs out of it.
I didn't mean to imply those terms to be all inclusive. I just wanted to hit the main highlights of the deal for the purposes of the discussion.
To me, each proposition has its pros and cons.
If they dealt with San Diego, they'd get an experienced, proven NFL QB, but a much lower first round pick/
If they dealt with Chicago, they'd get a younger, less talented QB than Rivers along with a higher draft pick just outside of the top 6 or so elite players in this draft.
THen if they stood pat, they'd have their choice of players minus one (presumably Winston), but they'd have no proven player, especially at QB, and no extra picks that came with any trade down.
I think I'd rather them take the Chicago deal or no deal, speaking as a Jaguars fan.
Cutler, even in the short term, wouldn't really solidify their QB position. He would be a drain on their salary cap, and they would likely miss out on most of the elite talent at the top of this draft. Cutler's presence would likely hinder Mettenberger's development, and Tennessee would be right back where they are now in another year or two.
I think if they did nothing it would be preferable to taking the SD deal. At least with Rivers, they could have a good, if not elite QB for 3-4 years. plus the extra picks that would come with a trade down. In this deep WR class, the Tacks could end up with some good receivers and a strong passing attack for a few years. If they did nothing, they'd get no extra picks, and they'd gamble on Mettenberger. If Mettenberger is legit, then they don't get the extra picks to stockpile talent around him. If he isn't legit, then they would likely have either passed up a QB at 2, prolonging their misery at QB, or they take Mariota at 2, who I think at minimum would take a long time to develop into a legit NFL QB.
Quote:As a Jags fan, I would be more than thrilled if they took either of those deals. Rivers is 34 and the titans have literally no one at any of the skill positions (edit: ok, Delanie Walker), and Cutler is irrelevant in this league.
The tacks are in a tough spot; they either draft Mariota and hope he's not a bust, or trade down and hope he is. Meanwhile the Jags get to decide between Leonard Williams and Vic Beasley, or trading down with someone who wants Mariota if the tacks pass.
I'd much rather be a Jags fan than a tacks fan these days, although I don't think it will be too long before both teams are battling for the top of the division again.
Good take, though I don't know if I see Tennessee back at the top of the division any time soon.
I really like their coaching staff, even though they haven't gotten the results in Tennessee yet.
But until I know that they have any promise at QB, I don't know if I can project them as a future division contender.
Quote:It is a tough position to be in. I'm kinda favoring the Titans' giving Mettenberger a chance and using their pick for a difference-maker elsewhere. Maybe Cooper. Wouldn't that shock everybody.
It IS a tough position to be in.
Our position isn't too much easier, TBH.
The one difference is we have a guy our team thinks is a legit franchise QB (though he hasn't put it all together yet), so QB isn't a consideration for us this year.
It sucks to suck, doesn't it?
I'd like for them to get Cutler, take Mariota, or get Rivers in that order. All three options stink for them and would be good for us in the long run.
Only Rivers would be better than Bortles this year and I suspect Bortles could overtake him by next year. Bortles is currently the second best QB in the division.
I would not like to see Rivers in our division.
Rivers doesn't have many seasons left in him, I wouldn't think.. That's a pretty clear shot for the Jags at Williams too. I'd do it.. Well worth the risk having Rivers in the division as long as we'd get Williams out of it..
Perhaps it's best that the Titans do not to take any of the options mentioned : 1). Trade for Rivers; 2). Trade for Cutler; 3). Pick Mariota, and instead trade the pick and obtain more draft picks.
There are teams that like Mariota and need a QB and there are teams that really like Leonard Williams and would be willing to trade to get either. The Titans can build a better roster and see what they have in Mettenberger with a more talented squad. If Mettenberger works out, problem solved, and if not they will be picking at the top of the draft again and can look to address the QB position then. Coincidentally, Rivers may be available next off-season depending on whether San Diego Stays or goes to L.A.
If he pouts and throws tantrums with the Chargers, Rivers will be a joy to be around on a talentless Titans squad.
This is a horribly misleading title.
Quote:This is a horribly misleading title.
WHAT?!
If I were a Titan's fan, I don't think I would like to give up the second pick in the draft (a potential 15 year QB or other position) and likely an additional draft pick (article suggests Chargers would want equivalent of 2 firsts for Rivers), for an aging QB that may be effective for 3 more years.
If the tacks were stacked and just needed a QB to run the machine, I could see it happening. But now? No way....however seeing Cutler have a meltdown in Music City would be awesome.
Kuharsky said he would give the #2 overall straight up for Rivers.
I like Rivers, too, but that is crazy.
I want the tacks to stay put and blow the 2nd pick leaving us with plenty of people wanting to trade up for Mariota
Quote:Kuharsky said he would give the #2 overall straight up for Rivers.
I like Rivers, too, but that is crazy.
I agree with you that it would be crazy for Tennessee to make the trade straight up. Yet, it wouldn't surprise me if they were willing to make the trade straight up or relatively close to that. The reason being, if Tennessee doesn't make a major tangible jump forward in 2015, Ruston Webster and Ken Whisenhunt could easily be unemployed by the upcoming winter. Desperate times often lead to desperate measures, even if they are shortsighted.