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Quote:I would currently go with T.Y. Hilton because of his proven big play dimension.

 

If Allen Robinson can stay relatively healthy in 2015 and Blake Bortles improves substantially in his 2nd season,   Robinson could emerge as the most complete WR in the AFC South excluding the 2015 rookie crop.

 

 

Hilton is looking like the best diminutive WR since the Marks brothers of the 80s and 90s.

Quote:Hilton is looking like the best diminutive WR since the Marks brothers of the 80s and 90s.

 

At first current Ravens WR Steve Smith came to mind because of his height.   But because Smith weighs in the mid 190's,   I would disqualify him in terms of the type of WR you are referring too. 

 

One thing that helped the Mark brothers greatly that's also doing the same for T.Y. Hilton is playing with a great NFL level QB.

Bullseye,  following up my reply and your message post,  another WR who comes to mind from the 1990's that lacked size but was one of the better WR's in the NFL for a while was Brett Periman.  His son probably has more upside potential but it's far from a given he will match the career of his father.  

It's still Andre Johnson.

Quote:At first current Ravens WR Steve Smith came to mind because of his height.   But because Smith weighs in the mid 190's,   I would disqualify him in terms of the type of WR you are referring too. 

 

One thing that helped the Mark brothers greatly that's also doing the same for T.Y. Hilton is playing with a great NFL level QB.

Interesting.  I managed to forget Steve Smith, but had I remembered him, I might have included him in the "diminutive" category based upon height.  I likely would not have considered weight.

 

You later added Brett Perriman...though thinking about it more, I'd also add Gary Clark.

Quote:Interesting.  I managed to forget Steve Smith, but had I remembered him, I might have included him in the "diminutive" category based upon height.  I likely would not have considered weight.

 

You later added Brett Perriman...though thinking about it more, I'd also add Gary Clark.

 

When I reflect on the Jacksonville Bulls,  the two players that jump out are Gary Clark and ILB Vaughan Johnson.  

 

The other think that jumps out about Gary Clark,  other than that he was a good to very good WR with the Redskins for many seasons  ( including a couple of Super Bowl winning seasons ),  is the reaction to him by many announcers.   When Gary Clark was mentioned in a game,   often what also was mentioned was he was from " Little James Madison University".  

D6,

 

That Bulls team also had Keith Millard, Mike Rozier, and former Browns QB Brian Sipe (who separated his shoulder twice in the same season against the same team, ending his career).  IIRC, there was also a guy named Aubrey Matthews, who spent time with your Lions after the USFL folded.  The Bulls should have won more, but I think that was an indictment against Infante, who later failed as head coach of the Packers.

 

Aside from being a good receiver who could get deep, I always had the impression he was a tough WR who played with an attitude (in a good way).

 

In any event, T.Y. Hilton is on a path that would give him a career comparable to the guys we have discussed.

Still Andre.

Quote:D6,

 

That Bulls team also had Keith Millard, Mike Rozier, and former Browns QB Brian Sipe (who separated his shoulder twice in the same season against the same team, ending his career).  IIRC, there was also a guy named Aubrey Matthews, who spent time with your Lions after the USFL folded.  The Bulls should have won more, but I think that was an indictment against Infante, who later failed as head coach of the Packers.

 

Aside from being a good receiver who could get deep, I always had the impression he was a tough WR who played with an attitude (in a good way).

 

In any event, T.Y. Hilton is on a path that would give him a career comparable to the guys we have discussed.

 

  Keith Millard was one of the most intense / relentless DT's I've ever seen.   When combining that with Millard's ability before the knee injury he suffered in the middle of his career with the Vikings,   he probably would have been a HOFer if not for the injury.    Other than Reggie White,  Millard was probably the best NFL Defensive Lineman to have played in the USFL.   Millard has an AFC South connection,  as he's one of Tennessee's Defensive Line Coaches. 

 

 Aubrey Matthews got more out of his ability than most players.   Matthews signed with the Lions during the time the team used the Run-N-Shoot Offense with Mouse Davis as Offensive Coordinator.   Matthews didn't even weigh 170 pounds but he remained with the Lions for a number of seasons after the team stopped using the pure Run-N-Shoot Offense.   This despite Matthews suffering a season ending knee injury on the final play of the 1991 season opener on the road against the Washington Redskins.   This was the best Lions season since 1957.   But in the opener against the eventual Super Bowl Champions,   the Lions lost 45-0.    The situation got so bad that the Lions called for a QB kneel down on the final play.    Yet,  that was the play Matthews suffered the injury.   I'm not sure if any other player in NFL history tore up his knee on a QB kneel down.    

 

I'm interested to see if K-State WR Tyler Lockett will develop into another T.Y. Hilton or whether Lockett will mainly be a slot receiver,  return specialist,  and punt gunner.     I will be surprised if Lockett lasts to Round 4.  

Quote:  Keith Millard was one of the most intense / relentless DT's I've ever seen.   When combining that with Millard's ability before the knee injury he suffered in the middle of his career with the Vikings,   he probably would have been a HOFer if not for the injury.    Other than Reggie White,  Millard was probably the best NFL Defensive Lineman to have played in the USFL.   Millard has an AFC South connection,  as he's one of Tennessee's Defensive Line Coaches. 

 

 Aubrey Matthews got more out of his ability than most players.   Matthews signed with the Lions during the time the team used the Run-N-Shoot Offense with Mouse Davis as Offensive Coordinator.   Matthews didn't even weigh 170 pounds but he remained with the Lions for a number of seasons after the team stopped using the pure Run-N-Shoot Offense.   This despite Matthews suffering a season ending knee injury on the final play of the 1991 season opener on the road against the Washington Redskins.   This was the best Lions season since 1957.   But in the opener against the eventual Super Bowl Champions,   the Lions lost 45-0.    The situation got so bad that the Lions called for a QB kneel down on the final play.    Yet,  that was the play Matthews suffered the injury.   I'm not sure if any other player in NFL history tore up his knee on a QB kneel down.    

 

I'm interested to see if K-State WR Tyler Lockett will develop into another T.Y. Hilton or whether Lockett will mainly be a slot receiver,  return specialist,  and punt gunner.     I will be surprised if Lockett lasts to Round 4.  

 

 

Regarding Millard, he always struck me as having huge arms.  I seem to recall he got into some minor scrapes off field.  Nothing major...just young guy trouble.  But he combined with Chris Doleman to form an awesome pass rush combo.

 

As to Tyler Lockett, if he somehow wound up available for the Jaguars at the top of the 4th, I would sprint to the podium with his name on the card if I were in charge.  I think he would be the receiver and return guy that Sanders was hoped to be.

Quote:Regarding Millard, he always struck me as having huge arms.  I seem to recall he got into some minor scrapes off field.  Nothing major...just young guy trouble.  But he combined with Chris Doleman to form an awesome pass rush combo.

 

As to Tyler Lockett, if he somehow wound up available for the Jaguars at the top of the 4th, I would sprint to the podium with his name on the card if I were in charge.  I think he would be the receiver and return guy that Sanders was hoped to be.

 

 

  My hunch is that Tyler Lockett is going to have a better career than the more highly touted Phillip Dorsett,   especially when combining Special Teams contribution.   If the Jaguars are fortunate that Lockett is available when the team is scheduled to currently pick in Round 4,   it would indeed shape up to be a great pick.   If the Jags want Lockett,  they probably will have to get in position to take him in Round 3.   That's even assuming he will last that long.    Two things that jumps out for me regarding Lockett are his excellent football character and that his father Kevin Lockett played in the NFL,  including with the Jaguars.

 

  Another interesting small sized WR prospect that could end up being taken in the 4th or 5th Round is WVU WR Mario Alford.    Especially,  since he was also an accomplished Kickoff Returner in College.

I really do think Johnson will have a magical year which would probably take away from Hilton and Moncrief who would also be high on my list.

 

Hopkins needs a QB and he would sky rocket up the list as well.

I honestly can't believe anyone that says Amari Cooper will be the best WR in the AFC South by the end of the year, that's absolutely insane expectations. 

 

AFC South definitely does not have the greatest receivers, and I think that's the reason why Cooper is even being mentioned, but that's still a huge stretch. 

Amari Cooper will be the best soon. 

Julius Thomas is a WR just watch how he blocks and you'll  agree

Quote:I speculate that by the end of 2015 the frontrunners in this conversation will be Moncreif and Allen Robinson.

why i traded for both in my dynasty leagues

 

ty hilton for me

Julius Thomas

TY

Quote:Allen Hurns for the win, it might be A. Cooper...?

While I think Cooper will do great in Oakland I am sticking with Hurns being a homer for Jacksonville!