Comes from the man himself what one or two on this board didn't understand. I wish we could get a vet possible future HOF that Yannick and Fowler could learn from. Just another negative From Dave's time here not keeping or bringing in quality vets for the young guys to learn from
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...mentorship
You can't force people to come here. Why would any active player who's HOF bound want to come to Jacksonville recently anyway? The team's been awful and gets almost no media coverage.
Dave has admittedly said his one regret is not keeping a big enough veteran presence on the team. Not that it's an excuse, but it seems he'll learn from it.
Quote:You can't force people to come here. Why would any active player who's HOF bound want to come to Jacksonville recently anyway? The team's been awful and gets almost no media coverage.
Force players to come here? Dave never tried, he didn't think it was important. He cut Daryl Smith and never tried to bring in some quality older vets for the younger guys to learn from. He even said himself that's one thing he regrets.
Quote:Comes from the man himself what one or two on this board didn't understand. I wish we could get a vet possible future HOF that Yannick and Fowler could learn from. Just another negative From Dave's time here not keeping or bringing in quality vets for the young guys to learn from
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...mentorship
This ties into the discussion from a few months ago and certainly reinforces my opinion about the value of Dwight Freeney to the Falcons.
https://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/to...hl=freeney
Quote: This ties into the discussion from a few months ago and certainly reinforces my opinion about the value of Dwight Freeney to the Falcons.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/topic/20615-fowler-jr-a-bust/page-8?hl=freeney'>https://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/topic/20615-fowler-jr-a-bust/page-8?hl=freeney</a>
yeah, I remembered that conversation
Cmon, what else is he supposed to say when asked about it?
Ain't no chance in you know where he's going to say, "Nah, Dwight had nothing to do with it. It's because I am a super freak athlete with a great college record and a boatload of rookie pressures I was able to convert into sacks this year".
Quote:Cmon, what else is he supposed to say when asked about it?
Ain't no chance in you know where he's going to say, "Nah, Dwight had nothing to do with it. It's because I am a super freak athlete with a great college record and a boatload of rookie pressures I was able to convert into sacks this year".
Veteran players helping and teaching younger players is not a myth.
Quote:Veteran players helping and teaching younger players is not a myth.
It's just a completely incalculable viewpoint, as we've discussed plenty before.
Tons of players have developed well with great mentors.
Tons of players have failed with great mentors.
Tons of players have developed well with no mentors.
Tons of players have failed with no mentors.
I'll stick with what we can measure, all of which pointed to what Beasley has become before Freeney entered the picture. I understand people want to grasp at reasons other than Caldwell simply blowing it by taking Fowler over Beasley, so if using the addition of Freeney as a mentor helps them do that then good for them.
Quote:It's just a completely incalculable viewpoint, as we've discussed plenty before.
Tons of players have developed well with great mentors.
Tons of players have failed with great mentors.
Tons of players have developed well with no mentors.
Tons of players have failed with no mentors.
I'll stick with what we can measure, all of which pointed to what Beasley has become before Freeney entered the picture. I understand people want to grasp at reasons other than Caldwell simply blowing it by taking Fowler over Beasley, so if using the addition of Freeney as a mentor helps them do that then good for them.
Don't think I was in on that debate but having a HOF type vet pass rusher around to help young pass rushers can only be a good thing.
Quote:It's just a completely incalculable viewpoint, as we've discussed plenty before.
Tons of players have developed well with great mentors.
Tons of players have failed with great mentors.
Tons of players have developed well with no mentors.
Tons of players have failed with no mentors.
I'll stick with what we can measure, all of which pointed to what Beasley has become before Freeney entered the picture. I understand people want to grasp at reasons other than Caldwell simply blowing it by taking Fowler over Beasley, so if using the addition of Freeney as a mentor helps them do that then good for them.
Did Beasley play last night?
Quote:Did Beasley play last night?
hah!
superfreak college athlete that disappeared in the biggest game of his life.
Quote:hah!
superfreak college athlete that disappeared in the biggest game of his life.
You are so pressed over ky its hilarious.
Quote:You are so pressed over ky its hilarious.
I don't even know what that means but you're welcome.
Quote:Cmon, what else is he supposed to say when asked about it?
Ain't no chance in you know where he's going to say, "Nah, Dwight had nothing to do with it. It's because I am a super freak athlete with a great college record and a boatload of rookie pressures I was able to convert into sacks this year".
its common sense really. It goes with any profesion. If you have one of the best to teach you for you to learn from you will be much better than not.
is this really a debate. Thats like having Mariano Rivera teaching you how to close out games and you become one of the best rookie closers in the league that year; only to come out and say, nah it was all me. I didn't need anything but God, good food, workouts, and rest to become who i am today. Must be nice to be great like that.
EDIT: I see it KY. You feel that because leadership and mentoring can't be measured in a stat line, players who are great are more than likely on a path to success whether they had help or not just cause. I understand that but without actually knowing the players to see whether thats truly real or not, is just spitting out an opinion and using it as fact. WHY again is this an issue when he admitted he benefited from the help. Did he already tell you he did it himself so he's just saying that to the media but you have the inside scoop. I just wanna know so i can understand the point.
Quote:is this really a debate. Thats like having Mariano Rivera teaching you how to close out games and you become one of the best rookie closers in the league that year; only to come out and say, nah it was all me. I didn't need anything but God, good food, workouts, and rest to become who i am today. Must be nice to be great like that.
EDIT: I see it KY. You feel that because leadership and mentoring can't be measured in a stat line, players who are great are more than likely on a path to success whether they had help or not just cause. I understand that but without actually knowing the players to see whether thats truly real or not, is just spitting out an opinion and using it as fact. WHY again is this an issue when he admitted he benefited from the help. Did he already tell you he did it himself so he's just saying that to the media but you have the inside scoop. I just wanna know so i can understand the point.
Because theres nothing wrong with having a good veteran, its mostly never a negative unless somehow you sign a vet whos straight up cancer. But it doesnt really make that much of a difference if the player is good to begin with, which beasley was. His success was never not going to happen based on the evidence that got him drafted to begin with. It just doesnt matter all that much but everyone wants to use it as a cop out for why fowler isnt or wont be as good when thats not his problem at all.