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Quote:Says he will go in with an open mind....


....takes the antagonist stance on every example provided.

2nd to last paragraphs I explain what I agree with but keep trolling

TED: if there is no additional penalty for not paying an original fine why the hell would anyone pay their fines? Civic duty?


Also I stand corrected on the Alabama fine that's pretty ridiculous if all fines under 25mph are $255 I don't see how that's an issue being cause by private companies.


His premise that I took away anyways was city fees are out of control across the board, they're effecting the poor proportionally more and a bad situation is made worse when private companies are profiting off poor people unable to pay municipal fines.


That much I agree with it's his and the solutions being proposed here I disagree with.


The solutions he was proposing is like Ted is talking about a scaled penalty much like we have graduated taxes. Now Ted has gone into more detail suggesting community service or public funded payment plans. I maintain the source of the problem is ridiculous municipality legislation however if those are the laws of the land I have no problem with a city our county outsourcing collections.

The rally cry here should be about nanny state laws but people are so determined to find the evil corporation they completely look over the source of the problem. It's the beloved state oppressing you there would be no company oppressing poor people over fines if not for the state.

Quote:Says he will go in with an open mind....


....takes the antagonist stance on every example provided.

To be fair he did also say he was going in leaning a certain way.

Quote:The rally cry here should be about nanny state laws but people are so determined to find the evil corporation they completely look over the source of the problem. It's the beloved state oppressing you there would be no company oppressing poor people over fines if not for the state.

Lol, speed limits equate to a nanny state? You really are losing this discussion if you have to resort to that.

Quote:Lol, speed limits equate to a nanny state? You really are losing this discussion if you have to resort to that.

Referencing more the seat belt tickets and parking fines

Quote:Referencing more the seat belt tickets and parking fines

 

Is there a certain type of parking?

 

Quote:It cost the government $3000 to collect the $290 fine

 

I hear that referenced a lot, and I don't know how they support it. The State Court is open (usually) from 8-4pm. They're paying them a set wage. Unless you're factoring in a different aspect of it,then it's a set amount for their work. They have dozens, sometimes hundreds, of people coming through every day. If it costs $3,000 for their work, it isn't $3,000 per person. Maybe you're referring to something different?

Quote:I hear that referenced a lot, and I don't know how they support it. The State Court is open (usually) from 8-4pm. They're paying them a set wage. Unless you're factoring in a different aspect of it,then it's a set amount for their work. They have dozens, sometimes hundreds, of people coming through every day. If it costs $3,000 for their work, it isn't $3,000 per person. Maybe tiy;re referring to something different?

 

A day in jail costs the state $50.00


$50.00 x 60 = $3000

Stupid nanny state. We need to get rid of the FDA Let the fee market decide how much feces is acceptable to be in our food.

Quote:Stupid nanny state. We need to get rid of the FDA Let the fee market decide how much feces is acceptable to be in our food.

Red herrings are fun no?

Quote:Stupid nanny state. We need to get rid of the FDA Let the fee market decide how much feces is acceptable to be in our food.

 

No, no. The Free Market would mean people would stop eating at places like McDonald's.

Quote:Red herrings are fun no?

Over the top? Sure. But he's right. In another thread you argued against requiring hand washing signs and in restaurants.

Quote:Over the top? Sure. But he's right. In another thread you argued against requiring hand washing signs and in restaurants.

 

Because if government doesn't mandate it then it just won't happen! :thumbsup:

Quote:Over the top? Sure. But he's right. In another thread you argued against requiring hand washing signs and in restaurants.

And it has nothing to do with state fines and the problems discussed in this thread.

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Quote:And it has nothing to do with state fines and the problems discussed in this thread.

I don't mean to derail this thread, apologies if I did. I thought you were using libertarian and free market philosophies to defend the privatization of our CJ system.


I think my FDA comment verifies the ridiculousness of having private companies responsible for the public good.

Came across this article and it illustrates the point I have been trying to make in this thread. Here's a man who is locked up for 17 days because his grass was to high, he racked up $1700 in charges and when he couldn't pay. The problem is these ridiculous county and city regulations or home owner associations.

 

http://fresnopeoplesmedia.com/2015/04/05...rown-lawn/

Quote:Came across this article and it illustrates the point I have been trying to make in this thread. Here's a man who is locked up for 17 days because his grass was to high, he racked up $1700 in charges and when he couldn't pay. The problem is these ridiculous county and city regulations or home owner associations.

 

http://fresnopeoplesmedia.com/2015/04/05...rown-lawn/

 

To be honest, I'm surprised you're against Home Owners Associations.  Especially since they're very local, and you can always live in a neighborhood that doesn't have an HOA (though those are becoming fewer and far between).  A couple of our neighbors wanted to start an HOA, and thankfully we have enough people who said... well I can't use that language here.  But the last word was 'off'.

Quote:To be honest, I'm surprised you're against Home Owners Associations. Especially since they're very local, and you can always live in a neighborhood that doesn't have an HOA (though those are becoming fewer and far between). A couple of our neighbors wanted to start an HOA, and thankfully we have enough people who said... well I can't use that language here. But the l

ast word was 'off'.

Your surprised I'm against an organization that has the legal authority to evict you for the height of your grass?


I left a small suburban community for the sticks because of crap like that.

Quote:Your surprised I'm against an organization that has the legal authority to evict you for the height of your grass?


I left a small suburban community for the sticks because of crap like that.

Forgive me, but here where I live, the HOAs that I'm familiar with are all private entities...