I can see them holding onto 10 DL
Locks:
Marks
MIller
Alualu
Odrick
Draft pick (Leo/Williams)
Jones
That leaves 4 spots for:
Clemons, Davis, Hood, Branch, Smith, Other draft picks
Clemons//Hood have very little/if any dead money if cut right?
I too think Dave will pass on Leo WIlliams if QBs go 1-2. It's not hard at all to find lots of people who think Williams is overrated. If Dave is one of those (and signing his clone Odrick to an expensive FA deal hints that he easily could be), then I expect Beasley/Gregory/Fowler.
Quote:I can see them holding onto 10 DL
Locks:
Marks
MIller
Alualu
Odrick
Draft pick (Leo/Williams)
Jones
That leaves 4 spots for:
Clemons, Davis, Hood, Branch, Smith, Other draft picks
Clemons//Hood have very little/if any dead money if cut right?
Well Hood leaves no dead money if cut, although releasing Clemons would leave $1 mil dead money in the books.
Clemons will probably be cut if they find their LEO out there.
Quote:I dont think it would be the right pick, I dont think he would beat out Marks nor Odrick and I dont think he could play NT.
marks isnt getting any younger and he is coming off acl surgery. but you dont pass on the best player in the draft just because you have a couple other guys who might be more prepared to play as of right now.
Quote:I too think Dave will pass on Leo WIlliams if QBs go 1-2. It's not hard at all to find lots of people who think Williams is overrated. If Dave is one of those (and signing his clone Odrick to an expensive FA deal hints that he easily could be), then I expect Beasley/Gregory/Fowler.
Grave mistake, IMO.
Quote:marks isnt getting any younger and he is coming off acl surgery. but you dont pass on the best player in the draft just because you have a couple other guys who might be more prepared to play as of right now.
Thats the thing, Dave might not think he is the best player in the draft. Like KY said, lots of people think Williams is overrated. Its rumored teams aren't as high on Williams as the media is.
Quote:Grave mistake, IMO.
A grave mistake if we take Gregory, Beasley, or Fowler?
Quote:
Very good chance Williams comes in and plays a ton….DL is all about having a great rotation….even if Miller//Marks are healthy Williams will play a ton.
Exactly. I cant believe it took this long for someone to say this. There is no such thing as "starters" on the Dline. You play 8 guys across the line every game.
It's almost unanimous that L Williams is the best player in the draft. If he falls to 3, I dont see how you couldnt take him.
Quote:Thats the thing, Dave might not think he is the best player in the draft. Like KY said, lots of people think Williams is overrated. Its rumored teams aren't as high on Williams as the media is.
i dont care about the media, i care about what i saw when watching him. hes a machine, and you add to that the numbers he put up at the combine for a guy his size.... he has even more potential.
Quote:You dont always draft the best player because what if Mariota goes 1 and Williams goes 2? We draft Winston? I dont agree with that, I think you draft best player along with need or other wise every year you could keep drafting the same position and never fill holes on your team. I do think Dave drafts the highest player on his board though and it will probably be Gregory or Fowler. If Williams is so good though and clearly the best player in the draft then he would go 1 or 2 right?
You cross that bridge when you get there. Usually these types of scenarios don't happen. But I'm almost sure a qb needy team would trade up to that spot. But in no world do I see Mariota going 1st.
Like I said I'm not getting into this debate because it will never end. The draft is about getting talent for the future not the right now. You get the best prospect. Also Winston has other reasons I wouldn't take him at 3.
Williams is only 20 as well.
For comparison, Marcus Stroud was at Georgia for 5 years. In his 1st year here, he didn't start.
So he was something like 24 years old when he finally became a starter in the league.
Not saying we have to wait 4 years for Williams to start - but the point is that he is very young and has a lot of developing to do.
Most people I've seen compare him to Richard Seymour, who would be a very nice player to have.
Quote:i dont care about the media, i care about what i saw when watching him. hes a machine, and you add to that the numbers he put up at the combine for a guy his size.... he has even more potential.
One of the known guys said Williams is overrated now they acting like its a lot of people saying it, I watched him play too and he is a beast, he's been a great player since HS and he's just 20. If he is there you should draft him, I hate when people want to trade back for avg players and pass on elite prospects.
Quote:You dont always draft the best player because what if Mariota goes 1 and Williams goes 2? We draft Winston? I dont agree with that, I think you draft best player along with need or other wise every year you could keep drafting the same position and never fill holes on your team. I do think Dave drafts the highest player on his board though and it will probably be Gregory or Fowler. If Williams is so good though and clearly the best player in the draft then he would go 1 or 2 right?
Because QB is and always will be a higher priority. Same reason Calvin wasn't drafted #1 even though he was clearly the best player in that draft.
If Williams is available and we pass on him, that will be Daves biggest mistake ever. Every single pass rusher has numerous flaws and picking which one will be great is a crap shoot. On the flip side, Williams is so good he will eventually command double teams which will make all other players better. We need Williams because no one knows how Marks will play when he comes back and Williams would be an instant upgrade over who we have there now,
I just think its funny how people think hes the next coming of JJ Watt. When he went up against Ronnie Stanley an nfl caliber tackle he could do nothing. I wont hate the pick but we will see how Dave feels soon enough. I think Suh, McCoy, and Darius were all better prospects
Quote:I just think its funny how people think hes the next coming of JJ Watt. When he went up against Ronnie Stanley an nfl caliber tackle he could do nothing. I wont hate the pick but we will see how Dave feels soon enough. I think Suh, McCoy, and Darius were all better prospects
you can find bad games from every single prospect.
what exactly is your point?
I do think Williams isn't a dominant pass rusher or run stuffer at this point - but projecting him to the NFL he has all the tools to be very successful.
Quote:One of the known guys said Williams is overrated now they acting like its a lot of people saying it, I watched him play too and he is a beast, he's been a great player since HS and he's just 20. If he is there you should draft him, I hate when people want to trade back for avg players and pass on elite prospects.
AMEN!
Sick of everyone's solution to all draft problems being "trade back".... Williams may be a guy that doesn't come around often. There's no other guy in this year's draft with his size, length, strength, agility, and production.
Trading back and getting a bunch of players that can be drafted in every single draft isn't wise IMO.
When you have a chance at picking the best non-QB in this year's draft, you have to take that chance. Unless of course someone gives them multiple 1st rounders etc.
If Williams is there we better take him.
Quote:you can find bad games from every single prospect.
what exactly is your point?
I do think Williams isn't a dominant pass rusher or run stuffer at this point - but projecting him to the NFL he has all the tools to be very successful.
He doesn't have a point. Anyone wanting to pass on Williams if he is there hasn't watched him really play.
A trade down scenario is different but I think Tennesee trades down leaving us with Williams or one of the 6 pass rushers.... And no one knows which one will be the best.
even TMD would agree to take williams, and that guy always loves going against the grain.