You're joking about not trading the #3 pick for Andrew Luck right?!?
Quote:Would you guys trade the pick for Khalil Mack?
I would if in the Jaguars position. Especially, when factoring in the uncertainty of which player will be drafted in the # 2 slot by Tennessee or a team they trade with.
Honestly, I'd try to move Bortles and gladly take Luck. Would trade the pick for Watt absolutely, Houston absolutely, and yes Quinn as well as long as I could also guarantee long-term extensions.
This thread is why the forums shouldn't ever delete semi-old threads (speaking of which I haven't come across an explanation as to why the forum does that if anyone wants to enlighten me.) But not trading the #3 pick for JJ Watt is perhaps the greatest loss of opinion legitimacy that I have ever seen, particularly from fans that took Blaine Gabbert one pick ahead of him.
Quote:This thread is why the forums shouldn't ever delete semi-old threads (speaking of which I haven't come across an explanation as to why the forum does that if anyone wants to enlighten me.) But not trading the #3 pick for JJ Watt is perhaps the greatest loss of opinion legitimacy that I have ever seen, particularly from fans that took Blaine Gabbert one pick ahead of him.
I think there is only 2 people who feel that way.
Its so obvious that everyone and their mother would take that trade (including Caldwell) that I'm shocked this thread has gone to 3 pages.
Quote:You're joking about not trading the #3 pick for Andrew Luck right?!?
If the team needed a QB, I'd be all over that trade. Problem is that we have Bortles, and if you trade the third pick this year for a star QB, then one of those two premium picks is inevitably going to waste.
Quote:This thread is why the forums shouldn't ever delete semi-old threads (speaking of which I haven't come across an explanation as to why the forum does that if anyone wants to enlighten me.) But not trading the #3 pick for JJ Watt is perhaps the greatest loss of opinion legitimacy that I have ever seen, particularly from fans that took Blaine Gabbert one pick ahead of him.
I had issues with the Gabbert pick from the start. It was pretty obvious that he was a system QB who was made to look better than he really was by Missouri's offense. I really wanted Ryan Kerrigan, Robert Quinn or, yes, Watt.
Here's the best defense I can muster for not trading the third pick for Watt, aside from my gut feeling that doing so would be a move we'd regret in three years and my general dislike of Madden-inspired trade scenarios that would never happen in real life anyway. What if Houston takes Leonard Williams with that third overall pick, and what if Williams ends up being better? It's worth noting that if Houston is willing to even entertain that trade, it would be because they know something about Watt that we don't, and because they believe that they can get a better player at three than what they have in Watt.
If Houston is willing to deal Watt and take a chance on the third pick, then two huge red flags come to mind. First, if the Texans believe someone better than Watt is available at three, why should we take a player that they clearly believe is inferior off their hands? Two, if Houston is willing to trade the best defender in the NFL away, what the heck must be wrong with him?!
Quote:If the team needed a QB, I'd be all over that trade. Problem is that we have Bortles, and if you trade the third pick this year for a star QB, then one of those two premium picks is inevitably going to waste.
I had issues with the Gabbert pick from the start. It was pretty obvious that he was a system QB who was made to look better than he really was by Missouri's offense. I really wanted Ryan Kerrigan, Robert Quinn or, yes, Watt.
Here's the best defense I can muster for not trading the third pick for Watt, aside from my gut feeling that doing so would be a move we'd regret in three years and my general dislike of Madden-inspired trade scenarios that would never happen in real life anyway. What if Houston takes Leonard Williams with that third overall pick, and what if Williams ends up being better? It's worth noting that if Houston is willing to even entertain that trade, it would be because they know something about Watt that we don't, and because they believe that they can get a better player at three than what they have in Watt.
If Houston is willing to deal Watt and take a chance on the third pick, then two huge red flags come to mind. First, if the Texans believe someone better than Watt is available at three, why should we take a player that they clearly believe is inferior off their hands? Two, if Houston is willing to trade the best defender in the NFL away, what the heck must be wrong with him?!
Dude. You're thinking waaaaaaaay too much into it.
It's really simple. Watt is better than anyone we will get at #3 this year. Don't think about if this were to actually happen because it won't. Don't think about if Houston "knows something" about Watt and thats why they want to trade him. It's just a super super simple question: would you trade #3 for Watt. And if you wouldn't do it, you're wrong. It's not even having an opinion on the topic. If you wouldn't trade your unknown player at #3 for the best defensive player in the league and probably the best defensive player for the next 6 years, you are wrong.
Quote:It's just a super super simple question: would you trade #3 for Watt.
If we pull every potential outside factor out of the equation and just take it as a given that Watt will remain the player he is today for the next ten years, regardless of system and personnel around him, and Houston won't draft someone who winds up being as good or better at three, then yeah, I'd take the trade.
If the question of, "Why is Houston willing to trade J.J. Watt?" enters the picture at all, I wouldn't do it.
Quote:If we pull every potential outside factor out of the equation and just take it as a given that Watt will remain the player he is today for the next ten years, regardless of system and personnel around him, and Houston won't draft someone who winds up being as good or better at three, then yeah, I'd take the trade.
If the question of, "Why is Houston willing to trade J.J. Watt?" enters the picture at all, I wouldn't do it.
Obviously thats different. Thats like when the Browns traded Richardson. They knew something but thats not what is being asked here.
But honestly, what are the odds that someone out of this draft winds up being better than Watt anyway?
Quote:Obviously thats different. Thats like when the Browns traded Richardson. They knew something but thats not what is being asked here.
But honestly, what are the odds that someone out of this draft winds up being better than Watt anyway?
Leonard Williams is, imo, the only player with that potential.
Quote:Leonard Williams is, imo, the only player with that potential.
Key word... Potential. Watt is already there.
All things aside, I really hope we get Leonard this year. I think he's going to be really good.
Quote:OK, The Titans just selected Leonard Williams with Pick 2 and Marcus Mariota is available.
The Rams call the Jags while they are on the clock and offer Robert Quinn - DE in a straight up trade for Pick 3.
Jags get Robert Quinn for Pick 3, nothing else.
Do you make that trade?
(Totally hypothetical)
i would. hes a pass rushing monster. proven, you know youre not gonna strike out with 3. only if leonard is gone though.
Quote:This is idiotic. So for the sake of this ridiculous argument, if the Packers decided tomorrow that they were willing to trade Aaron Rodgers to Tampa for the 1st overall pick, then Tampa should pass and take Winston instead?
Please don't respond.
Quote:I'll respond just to spite you. :-) How long has Aaron Rodgers been in the league again? What 10 years? Finished last year with a shredded calf and missed half of the previous season due to an injury correct? Aaron Rodgers alone isn't enough for the Bucs to win the Super Bowl either. The Seahawks was able to build a young, strong team because they didn't have a fortune tied up in Russel Wilson's contract and could afford luxuries like Cliff Avirl and Percy Harvin. The one biggest advantage any struggling team has is being able to draft CHEAP young talent. Trading away early draft picks for a veteran robs the team of being able to take advantage of cheap rookie contracts. The fact you fail to see this tactic is kinda surprising to me. (Not to mention that trades like this NEVER happen kinda make the whole point moot don't it?)
A few points:
1) What does his injury have to do with anything? Did he miss significant time because of it?
2) So Rodgers isn't enough to win a SB but the 1st overall pick is?
3) Cheap goes out the window when it comes to franchise changing players. Rodgers is that.
4) It's hypothetical obviously.
Quote:A few points:
1) What does his injury have to do with anything? Did he miss significant time because of it?
2) So Rodgers isn't enough to win a SB but the 1st overall pick is?
3) Cheap goes out the window when it comes to franchise changing players. Rodgers is that.
4) It's hypothetical obviously.
You know you're absolutely right the Bucs should trade away the first pick for Rodgers. A QB who has been in the leauge for 10 years (now having durability issues) with a $110 million contract is just what a team devoid of talent needs. I mean he has already won a Super Bowl so it stands to reason that if the Bucs traded for him they will win one too right? By the time the Bucs draft (because with that monster contract, high priced FAs are out of the question) enough championship talent to surround Rodgers with, he'll be ready to retire. The greatest thing about drafting players is the unknown. You don't know for sure that Winston won't win 3 Super Bowls just like you don't know if Rodgers can win another one.
Quote:You know you're absolutely right the Bucs should trade away the first pick for Rodgers. A QB who has been in the leauge for 10 years (now having durability issues) with a $110 million contract is just what a team devoid of talent needs. I mean he has already won a Super Bowl so it stands to reason that if the Bucs traded for him they will win one too right? By the time the Bucs draft (because with that monster contract, high priced FAs are out of the question) enough championship talent to surround Rodgers with, he'll be ready to retire. The greatest thing about drafting players is the unknown. You don't know for sure that Winston won't win 3 Super Bowls just like you don't know if Rodgers can win another one.
Is the unknown the greatest thing or the scariest thing?
Quote:You know you're absolutely right the Bucs should trade away the first pick for Rodgers. A QB who has been in the leauge for 10 years (now having durability issues) with a $110 million contract is just what a team devoid of talent needs. I mean he has already won a Super Bowl so it stands to reason that if the Bucs traded for him they will win one too right? By the time the Bucs draft (because with that monster contract, high priced FAs are out of the question) enough championship talent to surround Rodgers with, he'll be ready to retire. The greatest thing about drafting players is the unknown. You don't know for sure that Winston won't win 3 Super Bowls just like you don't know if Rodgers can win another one.
I think that the point you're missing. All 32 GMs would trade for a proven ELITE commodity vs an unproven, unknown commodity. If I handed you $50,000 to buy either a brand new Corvette or to buy whatever is behind mystery door number 2 what would you pick?
Quote:I think that the point you're missing. All 32 GMs would trade for a proven ELITE commodity vs an unproven, unknown commodity. If I handed you $50,000 to buy either a brand new Corvette or to buy whatever is behind mystery door number 2 what would you pick?
I'll have to see what my scouts say about what's behind door number 2. :-) Not to mention that's about the most ridiculous analogy you could have come up with.
Quote:I'll have to see what my scouts say about what's behind door number 2. :-) Not to mention that's about the most ridiculous analogy you could have come up with.
Not really, but I understand that it may be difficult for you to grasp since you've been having issues arguing your own point.