Quote:You're probably right about that... I just don't get it. My opinion has been deemed 'idiotic' by NYC4jags as a result. Well, I guess it takes one to know one, right? For some reason, I mistakenly thought the Jaguars franchise was first and foremost about football.
But all that aside, I do think that the development of the downtown area would be a good thing. Since Khan seems to be the only billionaire we have handy who talks like he's willing to drop big money into making this happen, lets see where the chips fall.
I hope we have a good football team again... someday.
I didn't call your opinion idiotic. I pointed out that the "cart/horse" analogy you used doesn't apply here.
There's nothing wrong with Khan hiring people to handle the football stuff (what you are rightfully upset about record-wise)
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simultaneously beginning several measures to sell more tickets and keep the team viable in jacksonville.
The problem is you are lumping the two together. It's two different horses with two different carts.
The money going into any real estate development is completely separate from the team's funds.
It doesn't detract anything from the football operations.
I think that trying to twist the shipyards proposal into something negative for the Jaguars is idiotic. So - I guess if you feel that's what you are doing - then I implied you are an idiot. (Though I know you are smarter than that by much of your prior posting) Sorry - nothing personal. It's just my opinion that this thing is very positive for the financial success of the franchise. (more butts in seats) That's important to me - because I'd like to see the team remain in Jacksonville.
Quote:You're probably right about that... I just don't get it. My opinion has been deemed 'idiotic' by NYC4jags as a result. Well, I guess it takes one to know one, right? For some reason, I mistakenly thought the Jaguars franchise was first and foremost about football.
But all that aside, I do think that the development of the downtown area would be a good thing. Since Khan seems to be the only billionaire we have handy who talks like he's willing to drop big money into making this happen, lets see where the chips fall.
I hope we have a good football team again... someday.
You are confusing Shad Kahn with the Jaguars.
I don't think Jacksonville should have ANYTHING nice until we have a winning football team. No more Town Center development. No more downtown development. All of this should hinge on the success of the Jaguars. Every team that has a bad season should look at stripping the state budget for that city because they don't deserve to have any improvements done to their city until their football team shows signs of success.
Not sure how old you are or if you really are from Jacksonville or not, but without that team the city would still be trash with no growth what so ever. Jacksonville has developed so much since the team was placed in the city it is ridiculous. This is one of the rare times I would say that this is more than just "about the football"
Quote:Not sure how old you are or if you really are from Jacksonville or not, but without that team the city would still be trash with no growth what so ever. Jacksonville has developed so much since the team was placed in the city it is ridiculous. This is one of the rare times I would say that this is more than just "about the football"
I have lived in Jax long enough to approach the "downtown improvement vision" from a "I'll believe it when I see it" standpoint no matter who is behind that vision.
Quote:I have lived in Jax long enough to approach the "downtown improvement vision" from a "I'll believe it when I see it" standpoint no matter who is behind that vision.
I get that but that is not the point I am making. Football is a game. The improvement of my city to create a better place to live in is more important to me. Whether that is just a vision or it will come to fruition is another discussion. The idea that someone is trying to do something is great in itself.
Quote:You are confusing Shad Kahn with the Jaguars.
Shad Khan isn't a Jaguar? I thought he was like... the owner or something. If he owns the team, doesn't that make him a jag? (I'm just being sarcastic here... sorry).
Quote:Shad Khan isn't a Jaguar? I thought he was like... the owner or something. If he owns the team, doesn't that make him a jag? (I'm just being sarcastic here... sorry).
Right, but you still aren't acknowledging his point. You only see Khan the football owner, when he's really a businessman. Does he want to win as a football team? Sure...but he also wants to help make sure that investment makes him as much money as possible. Look at the value of the Jaguars now from when he bought it. Adding shipyards, restaurants, stores, living area...its only going to increase the bottom line.
With the way regulations, local governments and obstacles work, where can a visionary set his mark on a city? This is such a special and incredibly ambitious plan that will bind a NFL Owner to a market like nothing else before. This is easily relatable to Green Bay issuing shares to their team. Talk about making the relationship between owner and city unique, this is it.
Quote:With the way regulations, local governments and obstacles work, where can a visionary set his mark on a city? This is such a special and incredibly ambitious plan that will bind a NFL Owner to a market like nothing else before. This is easily relatable to Green Bay issuing shares to their team. Talk about making the relationship between owner and city unique, this is it.
As much as Weavers loyalty wrecked the quality of the football team, he deserves real kudos for avoiding selling to a snake and choosing a guy like Khan.
Quote:As much as Weavers loyalty wrecked the quality of the football team, he deserves real kudos for avoiding selling to a snake and choosing a guy like Khan.
I know a lot of people were worried about whether he had other intentions to move the team at first, but I think its pretty clear the guy has more than gone over the top showing his commitment to the city.
Quote:I know a lot of people were worried about whether he had other intentions to move the team at first, but I think its pretty clear the guy has more than gone over the top showing his commitment to the city.
I am curious if Khan will purchase the unfinished Berkman Plaza and keep "expanding" on the river and eventually be a major catalyst in getting the jail moved.
Quote:You're probably right about that... I just don't get it. My opinion has been deemed 'idiotic' by NYC4jags as a result. Well, I guess it takes one to know one, right? For some reason, I mistakenly thought the Jaguars franchise was first and foremost about football.
But all that aside, I do think that the development of the downtown area would be a good thing. Since Khan seems to be the only billionaire we have handy who talks like he's willing to drop big money into making this happen, lets see where the chips fall.
I hope we have a good football team again... someday.
The Shipyards project has nothing to do with the Jaguars franchise from a business perspective beyond building the practice fields there. You're mixing the project together with football operations. Does that mean the manufacturing of bumpers should cease because it distracts Khan from crafting a playbook, scouting talent, building a roster, and negotiating deals with players?
The Shipyards is a Khan project. The team will benefit by an enhanced game day experience if everything comes to fruition. It has absolutely nothing to do with the product on the field. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
Quote:I am curious if Khan will purchase the unfinished Berkman Plaza and keep "expanding" on the river and eventually be a major catalyst in getting the jail moved.
Someone is going to need to take ownership of the place. They'll be strapped with demolishing the building to make way from something else. I would imagine that if the Shipyards project ramps up and starts to become a reality, there will be contractors looking at that as an opportunity to get on board. The land there is large enough to accommodate something like a new convention center or an aquarium, or more housing.
Quote:I didn't call your opinion idiotic. I pointed out that the "cart/horse" analogy you used doesn't apply here.
There's nothing wrong with Khan hiring people to handle the football stuff (what you are rightfully upset about record-wise)
and simultaneously beginning several measures to sell more tickets and keep the team viable in jacksonville.
The problem is you are lumping the two together. It's two different horses with two different carts.
The money going into any real estate development is completely separate from the team's funds.
It doesn't detract anything from the football operations.
I think that trying to twist the shipyards proposal into something negative for the Jaguars is idiotic. So - I guess if you feel that's what you are doing - then I implied you are an idiot. (Though I know you are smarter than that by much of your prior posting) Sorry - nothing personal. It's just my opinion that this thing is very positive for the financial success of the franchise. (more butts in seats) That's important to me - because I'd like to see the team remain in Jacksonville.
Exactly. Khan is more than capable of having multiple business interests, the Jaguars being one of them.
Quote:I am curious if Khan will purchase the unfinished Berkman Plaza and keep "expanding" on the river and eventually be a major catalyst in getting the jail moved.
I was thinking that as well. As a developer, to sell those places out you have to have restaurants/shopping/night life around those buildings to get them to work and vice versa...people have to live there to keep those places filled.
I know the place was sold for like $10 or something.....if the shipyards are built, it could get whatever developer that bought it the kick in the pants to keep it moving.
Quote:I was thinking that as well. As a developer, to sell those places out you have to have restaurants/shopping/night life around those buildings to get them to work and vice versa...people have to live there to keep those places filled.
I know the place was sold for like $10 or something.....if the shipyards are built, it could get whatever developer that bought it the kick in the pants to keep it moving.
That project is dead. The building has been condemned. Whoever takes that on will first have to demolish what's there.
Quote:Someone is going to need to take ownership of the place. They'll be strapped with demolishing the building to make way from something else. I would imagine that if the Shipyards project ramps up and starts to become a reality, there will be contractors looking at that as an opportunity to get on board. The land there is large enough to accommodate something like a new convention center or an aquarium, or more housing.
Possibilities are endless. Would be great to eventually see it expand to the Landing, then maybe see the skyway expanded to go along the river, stadium, baseball/arena, Landing, etc. Heck, make the skyway go down Main street up to 8th street and really start a movement of getting people to move to springfield where they can truly live, work, and play without ever crossing the bridge.
Quote:Possibilities are endless. Would be great to eventually see it expand to the Landing, then maybe see the skyway expanded to go along the river, stadium, baseball/arena, Landing, etc. Heck, make the skyway go down Main street up to 8th street and really start a movement of getting people to move to springfield where they can truly live, work, and play without ever crossing the bridge.
Extending the Skyway anywhere would cost probably half a billion dollars to make it meaningful. Expanding the Skyway at this point would require yet another retrofit to upgrade the trains and to modify the existing rail for that. It's obsolete after almost 15 years with the new trains.
It would be cheaper and more efficient to set up something unique like a trolley system that runs a constant loop through the area. It could tie in with the Skyway by having touch points at the downtown stations that are currently in place. Dropping tracks into the existing roads in the area would be a lot cheaper than building an elevated rail that would detract from the look and feel they're going for.
I do agree that they need some sort of system of transportation throughout that area to bring people in and out for work and entertainment. Tying in Springfield would be a good idea, although that would be something that would probably be a decade or more out.