Quote:Just displays how society has become so dependent on big brother. Half of you are convinced if the almighty government didn't make restaurant post a sign about washing hands we'd suddenly have dirtier restaurants.
You really took a giant leap there
Quote:ho said anything about health inspections? I said the regulation mandating employee's wash their hands is over kill, it's impossible to enforce, and is an example of regulation just for the sake of regulation (that was the politicians point as well). He was actually making a much less radical point, that companies should be able to opt out of regulations provided they serve notice they've opted out. I'm saying the whole damn thing is useless and should be done away with.
A simple reminder can go a long way in having more people handling food wash their hands. It's pure conjecture on my part and I have done literally no searching into this but it would stand to reason that is the case. You say it's useless, I say if it makes 5% more wash their hands it's doing a service to society.
Quote:I guess health inspections are not necessary and no oversight should be in place at all because no restaurant in their right mind would try to hide the filth in their restaurant and keep it out of the line of sight of customers right?
I agree with this, but to eric's point though I think even with stringent health inspections, restaurants will continue to have a history of violations. Just look at the recent closures and how many reopened with the same critical repeat violations.
Do ya'll even watch the restaurant reports on the late night news? Laws aren't really effective, but my knowing that Mr. Ying's is serving a side of cockroach with every General Tso's makes me not go there.
Quote:I agree with this, but to eric's point though I think even with stringent health inspections, restaurants will continue to have a history of violations. Just look at the recent closures and how many reopened with the same critical repeat violations.
Agreed but as flsortsgod said above, the public is at least aware of infractions or can be aware of them.
A lot of people here in NC were pretty outraged that our new Senator made this a 'big deal' when we have more important issues at hand (pun not intended). It was and is the media who make a big deal out of stuff. If stuff isn't blown out of proportion then they're having seizures. It's ridiculous. Tillis didn't make it a big deal, our local media did and now everyone is talking about it.
I think it's stupid that there are signs everywhere telling employees they must wash their hands when it should be common sense but you have to think about folks who will sue someone/a company for not washing hands and they will win because the employee wasn't told in writing. Not that that even makes a difference. Society has gone to the crapper.
Quote:A lot of people here in NC were pretty outraged that our new Senator made this a 'big deal' when we have more important issues at hand (pun not intended). It was and is the media who make a big deal out of stuff. If stuff isn't blown out of proportion then they're having seizures. It's ridiculous. Tillis didn't make it a big deal, our local media did and now everyone is talking about it.
I think it's stupid that there are signs everywhere telling employees they must wash their hands when it should be common sense but you have to think about folks who will sue someone/a company for not washing hands and they will win because the employee wasn't told in writing. Not that that even makes a difference. Society has gone to the crapper.
I just flat out don't trust people. People can be pretty stoopid and have the common sense of a dirty diaper.. Load it up with signs to remind them to wash their hands, that's fine by me.. Some would probably forget to breathe if they weren't reminded..
Quote:I just flat out don't trust people. People can be pretty stoopid and have the common sense of a dirty diaper.. Load it up with signs to remind them to wash their hands, that's fine by me.. Some would probably forget to breathe if they weren't reminded..
Oh, I agree. I just think it's sad that it's not common sense.
Quote:A lot of people here in NC were pretty outraged that our new Senator made this a 'big deal' when we have more important issues at hand (pun not intended). It was and is the media who make a big deal out of stuff. If stuff isn't blown out of proportion then they're having seizures. It's ridiculous. Tillis didn't make it a big deal, our local media did and now everyone is talking about it.
I think it's stupid that there are signs everywhere telling employees they must wash their hands when it should be common sense but you have to think about folks who will sue someone/a company for not washing hands and they will win because the employee wasn't told in writing. Not that that even makes a difference. Society has gone to the crapper.
That is why there is a sign on a hair dryer to not use it in the shower or that coffee might be hot. People are morons and lawyers will use the morons to sue anybody.
Quote:http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/eww-on...correctly/
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This was my point:
- People were more likely to wash their hands if a sign encouraging them to do so was present.
I think so as well, signs remind people, it's why we have buckle up signs and things like that.
Maybe Tillis should have prefaced his statement with, "I'm not a scientist, but..."
Because, y'know, they found these things called "microbes" back in the Pasteur days.
Requiring sanitation at restaraunts is not a free market argument. It is sound public policy.
Under the same argument, shouldn't hospitals also be allowed to treat people without handwashing as long as they post a sign? I mean, the patient can always find another hospital, right?
Quote:Maybe Tillis should have prefaced his statement with, "I'm not a scientist, but..."
Because, y'know, they found these things called "microbes" back in the Pasteur days.
Requiring sanitation at restaraunts is not a free market argument. It is sound public policy.
Under the same argument, shouldn't hospitals also be allowed to treat people without handwashing as long as they post a sign? I mean, the patient can always find another hospital, right?
No ones argued restaurants should do it, the argument has been regulating it is unnecessary and changes nothing.
Quote:No ones argued restaurants should do it, the argument has been regulating it is unnecessary and changes nothing.
If there's one thing I've learned about safety, it's that regulation, and enforcement of said regulation, is the ONLY thing that works.
And this is a safety issue.
Quote:No ones argued restaurants should do it, the argument has been regulating it is unnecessary and changes nothing.
I'm confused. You agree with my quote from the article that being reminded to do so increases the chance people will wash and that it's a good thing?
Quote:I'm confused. You agree with my quote from the article that being reminded to do so increases the chance people will wash and that it's a good thing?
Yes but just because it's a good thing doesn't mean it's the role of government. That's where I differ with so many people, it's great that people wash their hands and we have signs to remind them. Inserting government into mandating and regulating that people wash their hands and companies post signs is redundant, a waste of resources, and an example of government just being to be. Companies without good hygiene go out of business that's the end of the story, a regulation telling people to wash their hands won't change dirty people or dirty companies.
Quote:Yes but just because it's a good thing doesn't mean it's the role of government. That's where I differ with so many people, it's great that people wash their hands and we have signs to remind them. Inserting government into mandating and regulating that people wash their hands and companies post signs is redundant, a waste of resources, and an example of government just being to be. Companies without good hygiene go out of business that's the end of the story, a regulation telling people to wash their hands won't change dirty people or dirty companies.
Sure it'll change companies. Safety regulations have changed companies big time. It won't change EVERY company, but it'll change enough.
Quote:Sure it'll change companies. Safety regulations have changed companies big time. It won't change EVERY company, but it'll change enough.
Speaking specifically about the regulation on washing hands, you really think government regulation changes weather an employee does or doesn't wash their hands?
Quote:Speaking specifically about the regulation on washing hands, you really think government regulation changes weather an employee does or doesn't wash their hands?
I think it changes companies policies with regards to washing hands. Which in turn makes more employees wash their hands.
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