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Quote:...and for those of you saying "sour grapes", sure... we're not experts in the world of professional football.


But <a class="bbc_url" href='http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/02/emmitt-smith-on-super-bowl-ending-worst-play-call-ive-ever-seen.html/'>Emmet Smith</a> is: Emmitt Smith on Super Bowl ending: ‘Worst play call I’ve seen in history of football’

Yes. That's the exact context I posted my remark. Sheesh.

No it wasn't you were arguing about with me .

 

I pretty much said exactly what Emmit Smith said and you were argumentative.

 

You can admit it it'll be ok.

What if Marshawn Lynch did get the ball and got tackled for a loss? The Patriots had four linemen and four linebackers, obviously expecting Russell Wilson to give the ball to Lynch, so that could have happened if the coaches called a run play. Darrelle Revis said he was shocked a pass was called on second down.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...as-shocked

 

Yes, I know chances of getting in are almost 100% from only one yard out, but there are no guarantees in football. Lynch also could have fumbled on the exchange. People are not thinking enough when they say, "If Lynch gets the ball he scores." If Lynch gets the ball he probably scores.

 

Also, why is everything about Lynch? It seems like nobody thinks about the fact Wilson can run too. What about that thing called a quarterback sneak, which is often used in this situation? What about a bootleg or draw? Any kind of run play would be good enough whether the runner wears #3 or #24. In fact the absolute safest play would have been a quarterback keeper, not giving it to Lynch.

Quote:It was an all around fail of epic proportions by Caroll and Bevell. No excuses can be made other than they screwed the pooch. I don't like how Bevell somewhat threw Lockett under the bus saying he could have gone after the ball a little harder. The guy is running a slant that gets jumped perfectly, how does he go harder after the ball?

If I'm Lockette that angers me that my coach is attempting the throw me under the bus.

 

Agree. He may be right about that (although I must give credit to Butler for great play), but should never said that in public and take his blame for the defeat like Carroll and Wilson did. Carroll was ok with passing the ball, but it was Bevell who called that play. I'd probably be more supportive of that call if the ball would go to Baldwin. It could also ended the same way, but I'd trust him more than Lockette.

 

I've never been a fan of Bevell. He's called some good games in the past, but I've never had a feeling we won a game because of him. We certainly lost some games before that one because of him. Even before this last play I didn't like our playcalling for some 2 and a half quarters of the game. Only run run and long passes. It was ok until it worked, but when the Patriots adjusted (when they put Browner on Chris Matthews, who probably surprised Belichick just as much as all of us), we should also try something different.

 

I think it won't happen but would like to see Bevell gone. Although I don't think Tom Cable (who would probably replace him) would be a much better option. But I think he'd trust his O-Line and Beast and run the ball in that situation.

 

 

Quote:^^ This is lost on some.  Considering the talent at WR, he played excellent.  To me they had been running read option without a QB keep the whole game.  Would have been a good time to fake and sprint to the sideline.

 

Agree.

 

I think Wilson played a good game, but we should use his legs more.

Quote:I guess its so easy to have 15 play drives for TDs, people should just stop bothering to throw long passes. BTW, wasn't the last meaningful play of the game an int on a 3 yard pass? I guess Wilson can't throw em as well as Brady can.

 

That was a horrible play and for better argument, a horrible example. What the Hawks should have done was run the same zig out route that Edleman ran when he pushed off on the corner for the last TD.

 

-OR-

 

They could have ran the ball from the half yard line.

Quote:No it wasn't you were arguing about with me .


I pretty much said exactly what Emmit Smith said and you were argumentative.


You can admit it it'll be ok.

Admit what? That you're a dimwit that thinks that this is the same thing as saying the 'Patriots didn't win the game but the Seahawks lost it'?


OK. You got me. I admit it.

And for the first time in weeks, Brandon Bostick cracks a small smile...

Quote:What if Marshawn Lynch did get the ball and got tackled for a loss? The Patriots had four linemen and four linebackers, obviously expecting Russell Wilson to give the ball to Lynch, so that could have happened if the coaches called a run play. Darrelle Revis said he was shocked a pass was called on second down.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...as-shocked

 

Yes, I know chances of getting in are almost 100% from only one yard out, but there are no guarantees in football. Lynch also could have fumbled on the exchange. People are not thinking enough when they say, "If Lynch gets the ball he scores." If Lynch gets the ball he probably scores.

 

Also, why is everything about Lynch? It seems like nobody thinks about the fact Wilson can run too. What about that thing called a quarterback sneak, which is often used in this situation? What about a bootleg or draw? Any kind of run play would be good enough whether the runner wears #3 or #24. In fact the absolute safest play would have been a quarterback keeper, not giving it to Lynch.

 

We had this exact same conversation at the SB party I was at. The unanimous consensus among us 40-something football fans of varying degrees of football acumen was: Run it and live with the consequences.

 

Let's say for the sake of argument that they ran Lynch and he got stuffed or put the football on the ground. I'd be OK with that. That is a matter of poor execution instead of a boneheaded playcall. Marshawn Lynch averages 2.53 yards after contact as I remember reading recently. They needed 1 yard. I'd take my chances relying on my strong suit (running the football). Simply put, you put the football in the hands one of your best offensive playmakers and let the chips fall where they may. In this instance, that was either Wilson or Lynch...and that takes nothing away from Baldwin, Kearse, Willson or David Tyree Chris Matthews. Hell, as has been cited previously, a Matthews fade would've been a good call, even if it didn't work.


But a slant? Really?

Quote:We had this exact same conversation at the SB party I was at. The unanimous consensus among us 40-something football fans of varying degrees of football acumen was: Run it and live with the consequences.

 

Let's say for the sake of argument that they ran Lynch and he got stuffed or put the football on the ground. I'd be OK with that. That is a matter of poor execution instead of a boneheaded playcall. Marshawn Lynch averages 2.53 yards after contact as I remember reading recently. They needed 1 yard. I'd take my chances relying on my strong suit (running the football). Simply put, you put the football in the hands one of your best offensive playmakers and let the chips fall where they may. In this instance, that was either Wilson or Lynch...and that takes nothing away from Baldwin, Kearse, Willson or David Tyree Chris Matthews. Hell, as has been cited previously, a Matthews fade would've been a good call, even if it didn't work.

 

But a slant? Really?

 

Looks like you forgot who made the juggling catch on that drive. That was Jermaine Kearse, not Chris Matthews.

 

I was the one who said they should have tried a corner fade to Matthews again because it worked in the first half. That is, if passing on second down was smart, which it wasn't.

 

One of the mistakes on that play call was the personnel. Why didn't the Seahawks put their tallest wide receiver on the field for that play?

 

Another mistake was the formation. Even if a slant was the right thing to do, throwing out of the shotgun with three wide receivers was not. The formation alone told the Patriots Seattle was going to pass.

What makes the call even more of a dumb call is that it was a pick play. Why would you choose a play that has a 50/50 chance of getting a penalty. i mean if you have to throw it cause your stoopid throw a fade to your Hot in this game 6'5 reciever. Should have run 3 more time if you didnt get in so be it. When you throw the ball 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad incomplete and interception. but throw in a play with the possability of a penalty cause of a pic play(ask Notre Dame how that went) thats Supremely Idiotic.

Quote:What makes the call even more of a dumb call is that it was a pick play. Why would you choose a play that has a 50/50 chance of getting a penalty. I mean if you have to throw it cause your stoopid throw a fade to your Hot in this game 6'5 reciever. Should have run 3 more time if you didn't get in so be it. When you throw the ball 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad: incomplete and interception. But throw in a play with the possibility of a penalty because of a pick play (ask Notre Dame how that went) that's supremely idiotic.

 

What makes you think that play has a higher risk of triggering a penalty than any other? Penalties happen on every kind of play in the book. You should know that by now. And what is your Notre Dame reference?

In the Notre Dame Vs FSU, ND ran a pick play from the 1 or 2 yard line and scored a TD and that would have won the game. They were called for a Offensive Pass Int. (pick play). After the 15 yards they could not score and lost the game.

 

The play was a designed pick play for one reciever to puss the defender into the path of another defender to open up the second wide receiver. And those get called all the time so why would you run a play that is skirting the rules and could draw a penalty im just saying there were other plays you could call. i still think you run it 3 times .

I think it was a sound call with sound reasoning...

 

New England was selling out to stop the run, and played man across the board. You can take your chances with Lynch against a stacked front, but you only have ONE time out, and if he doesn't get in (I know everyone is riding this guy's jock right now, but even the best and most powerful RB's get stuffed against 8 in the box), the defense KNOWS you have to pass the ball on 3rd down. OR you can try to catch the defense off-guard on 2nd down, with a quick-hitting pass play that 95% of the time is a safe TD-or-incomplete proposition against man coverage. I believe Seattle made the sound approach to it's perceived 3-play set with a great call on 2nd down. Think about it this way-- Seattle forced New England to rely on his 6th round rookie CB to make a play in the biggest game of his life. Unfortunately and unexpected by all, that 6th round rookie CB made the absolute PERFECT play, and it ended that game. That's how sports plays out sometimes, but I think Seattle played it's odds right.

Quote:I think it was a sound call with sound reasoning...

 

New England was selling out to stop the run, and played man across the board. You can take your chances with Lynch against a stacked front, but you only have ONE time out, and if he doesn't get in (I know everyone is riding this guy's jock right now, but even the best and most powerful RB's get stuffed against 8 in the box), the defense KNOWS you have to pass the ball on 3rd down. OR you can try to catch the defense off-guard on 2nd down, with a quick-hitting pass play that 95% of the time is a safe TD-or-incomplete proposition against man coverage. I believe Seattle made the sound approach to it's perceived 3-play set with a great call on 2nd down. Think about it this way-- Seattle forced New England to rely on his 6th round rookie CB to make a play in the biggest game of his life. Unfortunately and unexpected by all, that 6th round rookie CB made the absolute PERFECT play, and it ended that game. That's how sports plays out sometimes, but I think Seattle played it's odds right.

 

Who is New England's sixth round rookie cornerback? Malcom Butler was undrafted.

 

Here is the explanation for what took so long to snap on second down: Seattle was trying to run out the clock.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...econd-down

Quote:Looks like you forgot who made the juggling catch on that drive. That was Jermaine Kearse, not Chris Matthews.

 

Nah. We were calling Chris Matthews "David Tyree" all game where I was (something of a bad inside joke). Some of my friends lurk on this board but don't post because they aren't Jags fans...that was more so for them.

 

Good points otherwise and I largely agree with you.

Quote:It was an Apple / Microsoft hacking war gone wrong.


Apple's Auto-Correct alters communication between coaches box and sideline…

Now that's funny.