Quote: Another view point ( which I share ) is that ' Palestine' in the context its used in the last 30 to 40 years is an invented entity ( people ), that's used for the purpose of destroying Israel. All land concessions other than ending Israel as a nation won't satisfy this entity and a very large number of their supporters.
Also, from my perspective, the current P.M talks tough but has a history of making land concessions and causing settlement freezes. Bibi reminds me of many of the RINO Republicans in the U.S. , not a leader like Ted Cruz who I greatly admire.
So I guess it's safe to say you don't think the Palestinians should have a state? That Israel should just take over all that land and
exile all the people there?
Quote:So I guess it's safe to say you don't think the Palestinians should have a state? That Israel should just take over all that land and exile all the people there?
There is no such thing as a 'Palestinian' people. It's a propaganda tool to destroy Israel. These are nomad Arabs that came to the historical land of Israel.
Newt Gingrich had the courage to speak the truth in a December, 2011 Republican Debate. The pathetic Mitt Romney took the politically correct route and it's an illustration why he lost the 2012 Presidential election:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VdrtFAuyAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VdrtFAuyA
The terrorists and the ones that aid the terrorists should be tried in a court of law. If convicted, they should be executed.
With regard to the rest, with the exception of those who don't have aspirations of destroying Israel if given the opportunity ( they are clearly the minority ), the rest should be offered compensation in exchange for leaving Israel forever. There will NEVER be peace with these individuals.
Quote:Can someone explain to me in an easy to understand way the deal with Israel? Why we fund them and why everyone seems to hate them? It's hard to find an answer that doesn't get complicated.
They are powerful politically because of the bipartisan nature of their support. A lot of the people who support them have support for the state of Israel as their top priority, and those people are spread across both political parties, which makes an unusual cocktail of one-issue voters spread across both parties. Jews have voted mostly democratic, and evangelicals have voted mostly republican, and those are the two groups that support Israel the most, and that makes both policial parties very reluctant to be seen as not supporting Israel for fear of alienating part of their base.
The hatred comes from two other very divergent groups: Anti-semites on the one hand, and on the other hand, people who think Israel is just playing us for patsies as they put settlements on more and more land, land they have conceded in the past is not theirs to take. But they're taking it anyway by settling Jews on occupied land. Add to that the war with the Palestinians, where the Israelis are seen by some as not caring about civilian casualties and lots of innocent civilians have their homes destroyed and their children killed and it winds up on TV.
If you look at the history of it all, anti-semitism ran so deep prior to WWII that even the United States would not take Jewish refugees trying to escape the Nazis, so they wound up going to what at that time was called Palestine. Large waves of Jews went to Palestine before and after WWII, and they started advocating the creation of a "Jewish state." Of course, this created a lot of friction with the Arabs who lived there, and in 1948, a civil war was fought, which the Jews won, and the Arabs were expelled from what became the state of Israel. That's the Palestinian cause- they want to get their homes and property back, which they say was illegally stolen from them.
Quote: There is no such thing as a 'Palestinian' people. It's a propaganda tool to destroy Israel. These are nomad Arabs that came to the historical land of Israel.
Newt Gingrich had the courage to speak the truth in a December, 2011 Republican Debate. The pathetic Mitt Romney took the politically correct route and it's an illustration why he lost the 2012 Presidential election:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VdrtFAuyAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VdrtFAuyA
The terrorists and the ones that aid the terrorists should be tried in a court of law. If convicted, they should be executed.
With regard to the rest, with the exception of those who don't have aspirations of destroying Israel if given the opportunity ( they are clearly the minority ), the rest should be offered compensation in exchange for leaving Israel forever. There will NEVER be peace with these individuals.
Israel doesn't want peace. Don't think for a second their ruling class does.
Newt Gingrich has courage but Romney is pathetic? Other being of touch with middle america like the majority of politicians he was a pretty decent GOP candidate.Gingrich isn't even remotely electable. I get the impression you want a super crazy right wing president.... That is never going to happen and for that I am truly grateful.
Quote:1. It's worth keeping in mind that Obama humilated Benjamin Netanyahu in the past. Including when the Israeli P.M. visited the White House. I'm no fan of Netanyahu, who has compromised Israeli greatly by his appeasement. But at least this time around, at least for now, he finally is showing courage. I wish he would go much further, taking out Iranian's nuclear program, regardless what Obama says and does. But at least it's better than the norm.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7521220/Obama-snubbed-Netanyahu-for-dinner-with-Michelle-and-the-girls-Israelis-claim.html'>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7521220/Obama-snubbed-Netanyahu-for-dinner-with-Michelle-and-the-girls-Israelis-claim.html</a>
2. This is an excellent illustration why I expressed on the MB months ago that I wish Shep Smith was no longer on the Fox News Channel. There's a difference between not wanting someone on the air than calling for him to be removed from the air. The perception of Fox being strictly a Conservative News network is so far from reality. The fact they employed Sally Kohn should have convinced more people of this.
3. Israel would be far better off without any U.S. Aid. Israel's annual budget is less than 5 % U.S. aid. The damage the U.S. aid causes Israel, especially when there's a hostile ' administration' such as the current one occupying the oval office, far exceeds the benefits it provides. In exchange for the foreign aid, Israel is told to make concessions that endangers the country substantially. The U.S. should cut off aid to Israel's enemies, most, if not all of which are enemies of the U.S. Including giving aid to Fatah, which in reality will always remain a terrorist organization, regardless of what it's classified by the U.S. and Israeli governments. Israel's greatest victories ( 1948 and 1967 wars ) were when Israel didn't get U.S. aid. Israel's destiny isn't dependent on any other nation.
D6, Fox news is slanted towards conservatives heavily. To think otherwise is to put your head in the sand.
Quote:D6, Fox news is slanted towards conservatives heavily. To think otherwise is to put your head in the sand.
Fox news is slanted towards Republicans. That's not synonymous with conservative.
Quote:Fox news is slanted towards Republicans. That's not synonymous with conservative.
Republicans is the better word.