Quote:This is very interesting. I feel like the city already knows the Rams are going to leave for LA, and they are already setting it up to get another team. Two teams have left because that city just isn't viable as an NFL franchise, why would another team go there?
<p style="margin:0em 0em 1.2em;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;">“After a while, you sort of get the hint,” Jeff Rainford, Slay’s chief of staff, added. (Keeping with the whole “no talking” trend, a Rams spokesman declined comment.)
<p style="margin:0em 0em 1.2em;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;">If the Rams leave (like the Cardinals did before the Rams), St. Louis hopes to attract another team.
<p style="margin:0em 0em 1.2em;font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;">“The NFL can make money in St. Louis,” Rainford said. “It may end up being the Rams with this owner, the Rams with a different owner, a different team with a different owner.”
What helps St. Louis' case is the overall history of the Cardinals and Rams when in St. Louis. I touched on the following in another thread but it's worth mentioning here as well. In those 48 seasons, St. Louis has only had 8 playoff seasons. Granted, the Rams won the Super Bowl in the 1999 season and lost the 2001 season Super Bowl on the final play of the game. But the last 8 seasons of Rams football has been either horrific or below average. The Cardinals never won a playoff game in their 28 seasons in St. Louis.
On top of everything else, for the last few years, Stan Kroenke hasn't said a word publicly about working towards the goal of keeping the Rams in St. Louis. Between that and the subpar product on the field, it's understandable why many Rams fans have not supported the team financially.
I believe with good ownership that's committed to St. Louis and a good product on the field, St. Louis would respond favorably to the Rams or another NFL team. St. Louis is the 20th largest market in the country and has a number of large corporations in that Metropolitan Area. Granted, the baseball Cardinals will likely almost remain # 1 by a wide margin in St. Louis. A strong case can be made that the Cardinals have the best fan base in all of MLB. Yet, the market is large enough that the city can also support an NFL team and the NHL Blues.
After reading so many recent reports about how silent and unresponsive Kroenke is, it makes me appreciate Shad Khan's exuberance and energy.
I may not agree with all the things Khan does down the road, but the man is alive and seems to care.
Quote:I'll take your word for it, MissouriJagsFanatic. Based on your username you live somewhere near the Rams.
LOL You are supposed to look at the location phrase under my avatar, silly.
Quote:She is a Jag/Cowboy/Patriots/<insert whomever is doing well right now> fan.
I don't think she is a Ram fan.
Uh, you know I hate the Cowboys, right? I am rooting for the Packers Sunday.
Quote: What helps St. Louis' case is the overall history of the Cardinals and Rams when in St. Louis. I touched on the following in another thread but it's worth mentioning here as well. In those 48 seasons, St. Louis has only had 8 playoff seasons. Granted, the Rams won the Super Bowl in the 1999 season and lost the 2001 season Super Bowl on the final play of the game. But the last 8 seasons of Rams football has been either horrific or below average. The Cardinals never won a playoff game in their 28 seasons in St. Louis.
On top of everything else, for the last few years, Stan Kroenke hasn't said a word publicly about working towards the goal of keeping the Rams in St. Louis. Between that and the subpar product on the field, it's understandable why many Rams fans have not supported the team financially.
I believe with good ownership that's committed to St. Louis and a good product on the field, St. Louis would respond favorably to the Rams or another NFL team. St. Louis is the 20th largest market in the country and has a number of large corporations in that Metropolitan Area. Granted, the baseball Cardinals will likely almost remain # 1 by a wide margin in St. Louis. A strong case can be made that the Cardinals have the best fan base in all of MLB. Yet, the market is large enough that the city can also support an NFL team and the NHL Blues.
True, but if the Jaguars were to leave Jacksonville, you could say the same thing. The product on the field since 2001 has been well below average overall and yet the attendance the past 5 or 6 years has been pretty good for an absolutely horrific team.
This city is dying for a team that at least contends. That stadium will be rocking if you put a team on the field that wins 8 games or more.
Quote:Go to Twitter and search St Louis Jaguars if you want to see some delusional Rams fans.
Do it now that St Louis has unveiled some pie in the sky stadium idea.
These clowns think it's just a given that Khan would move to St Louis.
Quote:Do it now that St Louis has unveiled some pie in the sky stadium idea.
These clowns think it's just a given that Khan would move to St Louis.
They're not really paying much attention to what's going on here, especially with the investment Khan has made both in the stadium and in the city itself. What they think they're entitled to is completely irrelevant. Even the stadium proposal they're floating is going to be severely underfunded. They're losing their team and they aren't getting another one.
Quote:True, but if the Jaguars were to leave Jacksonville, you could say the same thing. The product on the field since 2001 has been well below average overall and yet the attendance the past 5 or 6 years has been pretty good for an absolutely horrific team.
This city is dying for a team that at least contends. That stadium will be rocking if you put a team on the field that wins 8 games or more.
Agreed.
The Jaguars have averaged less than 5 wins per season the last 7 seasons. All things considering, including the team's record, numerous coaching changes, 3 different GM's, two different owners, and the loss of a home game to London in recent seasons, the Jaguars fan support has been very good. There would be no justification for the team to move, based on what has transpired with the team in recent seasons.
Having said all of this, it's important to keep attempting to expand the Jaguars fan base in the Jacksonville area and Secondary markets. With corporate/ business support a very important component that's necessary to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville over the long haul.
One other thought. Because Jacksonville is a smaller market than St. Louis, I think it's in the best interest of both Jacksonville and the Jaguars that no other major league franchise becomes part of the area's landscape. I'm referring to MLB, the NBA, or NHL. Having another pro team in town would take away too much corporate/ business support from Jacksonville. Having an NFL Franchise should be the priority and I believe it is.
Quote:They're not really paying much attention to what's going on here, especially with the investment Khan has made both in the stadium and in the city itself. What they think they're entitled to is completely irrelevant. Even the stadium proposal they're floating is going to be severely underfunded. They're losing their team and they aren't getting another one.
What's funny is since 2006 (the first year ESPN tracks attendance on their website), the Rams outdrew the Jaguars exactly one time. 2009.
Quote:Agreed.
The Jaguars have averaged less than 5 wins per season the last 7 seasons. All things considering, including the team's record, numerous coaching changes, 3 different GM's, two different owners, and the loss of a home game to London in recent seasons, the Jaguars fan support has been very good. There would be no justification for the team to move, based on what has transpired with the team in recent seasons.
Having said all of this, it's important to keep attempting to expand the Jaguars fan base in the Jacksonville area and Secondary markets. With corporate/ business support a very important component that's necessary to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville over the long haul.
One other thought. Because Jacksonville is a smaller market than St. Louis, I think it's in the best interest of both Jacksonville and the Jaguars that no other major league franchise becomes part of the area's landscape. I'm referring to MLB, the NBA, or NHL. Having another pro team in town would take away too much corporate/ business support from Jacksonville. Having an NFL Franchise should be the priority and I believe it is.
Unfortunately you're right about the Jags needing to be the only pro gig in town. However I would love for the Marlins to move here. The games against the Braves in this town would be ridiculous. But since the city of Miami has sunk a ton of money in a new stadium there's no chance they're leaving any time soon.
Quote:Agreed.
The Jaguars have averaged less than 5 wins per season the last 7 seasons. All things considering, including the team's record, numerous coaching changes, 3 different GM's, two different owners, and the loss of a home game to London in recent seasons, the Jaguars fan support has been very good. There would be no justification for the team to move, based on what has transpired with the team in recent seasons.
Having said all of this, it's important to keep attempting to expand the Jaguars fan base in the Jacksonville area and Secondary markets. With corporate/ business support a very important component that's necessary to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville over the long haul.
One other thought. Because Jacksonville is a smaller market than St. Louis, I think it's in the best interest of both Jacksonville and the Jaguars that no other major league franchise becomes part of the area's landscape. I'm referring to MLB, the NBA, or NHL. Having another pro team in town would take away too much corporate/ business support from Jacksonville. Having an NFL Franchise should be the priority and I believe it is.
We don't have the corporate base to support NBA or NHL or population to support MLB. I think Khan and Lamping have done a good job of getting the team on TV's in markets outside of Jacksonville. Whenever the team starts winning that will pay off in places like Orlando, Savannah, Tallahassee and Charleston.
Quote:The Jaguars have averaged less than 5 wins per season the last 7 seasons. All things considering, including the team's record, numerous coaching changes, 3 different GMs, two different owners, and the loss of a home game to London in recent seasons, the Jaguars fan support has been very good. There would be no justification for the team to move, based on what has transpired with the team in recent seasons.
Having said all of this, it's important to keep attempting to expand the Jaguars fan base in the Jacksonville area and Secondary markets. With corporate/ business support a very important component that's necessary to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville over the long haul.
One other thought. Because Jacksonville is a smaller market than St. Louis, I think it's in the best interest of both Jacksonville and the Jaguars that no other major league franchise becomes part of the area's landscape. I'm referring to MLB, NBA, or NHL. Having another pro team in town would take away too much corporate/ business support from Jacksonville. Having an NFL franchise should be the priority and I believe it is.
Didn't the Rams also have two different owners in the last 7 years? They were previously owned by a woman who died of breast cancer.
Of course the Jaguars and their fans have shown much greater support for the Weavers because of their commitment to Jacksoinville. Rams fans have no reason to support the man who will move the team out of St. Louis. How many fans in the Los Angeles area continued to support the Rams after December 24, 1994? I think if the current owner was committed to St. Louis, there would be fewer empty seats at the Edward Jones Dome. Now there is nothing to make them more interested in the Rams than the Cardinals, who IIRC went to the World Series two years ago, and Blues.
Your point on no MLB, NBA, or NHL teams in Jacksonville makes me wonder how ticket sales are affected in metropolitan areas with more than one of those four leagues. Has anyone ever researched this?
Quote:We don't have the corporate base to support NBA or NHL or population to support MLB. I think Khan and Lamping have done a good job of getting the team on TVs in markets outside of Jacksonville. Whenever the team starts winning that will pay off in places like Orlando, Savannah, Tallahassee and Charleston.
They did a great job getting us on TV in Gainesville . . . except when the Jaguars played against the Buccaneers in 2011, Chargers in 2013, and Giants in 2014, which were all home games. I will never understand why those games weren't on.
Let's look at all of the metropolitan areas with the NFL and at least one other major sports league.
Boston*
Baltimore
Washington
New York City
Buffalo
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Detroit
Indianapolis
Milwaukee
Minneapolis
Chicago
St. Louis
Kansas City
Charlotte
Atlanta
Tampa
Miami
New Orleans
Houston
Dallas
Pheonix*
San Diego
Oakland
San Francisco*
Seattle
Denver
*NFL team is in this TV market, but not the metropolitan area.
So 28 NFL teams are in TV markets with at least one other major sports league. How successful are those teams at keeping fans away from baseball, basketball, and hockey games played on Sundays?
Of 150 largest privately held corporations the St. Louis Cardinals and the St. Louis Rams were equal in revenue, no. 78 and 79!
The Rams are supported in St. Louis even though they are always going to play second fiddle to the Cardinals in fan loyalty and appreciation. After all, the Cardinals have generations of fans and the Rams have as many home-grown as the Jags.
Regards.....................the Chiefjag
Quote:Of 150 largest privately held corporations the St. Louis Cardinals and the St. Louis Rams were equal in revenue, no. 78 and 79!
The Rams are supported in St. Louis even though they are always going to play second fiddle to the Cardinals in fan loyalty and appreciation. After all, the Cardinals have generations of fans and the Rams have as many home-grown as the Jags.
It is worth noting the Rams started playing in St. Louis the same year we started playing, period. They were the best NFC team the same year we were the best AFC team. But they got worse while the Cardinals got better.
Good for LA and good for me! I will have a second team to root for now
I worked in downtown St Louis for 4 years from 2007 to 2011 and let me tell you the corporate dollars aren't what they were when I got there. My company has followed numerous companies and setup in Dallas. The tax rates are lousy in STL and for being touted as a low cost of living, I sure got a huge boost to my take home by coming home to Florida. They tax your food, car every year, and paycheck at the State, Local and City work site level.
I enjoyed the Blues and Cardinals but never bothered going to a Rams game. There is decent support there and the fans are arrogant to ignore facts and believe the Jags would relocate there. All in all, the 20th market doesn't mean squat really. Tell me the Ferguson fiasco doesn't make things worse. I can't wait to find out what the loonies pull for Cards opening day.
Bottom line when the Rams leave town, they are done and won't see another team. I don't see Stan even taking the city's best offer.
Quote:Nope. Now we get to read the desperate musings of St. Louis sports writers about how the Jaguars are coming to town to replace the Rams.
Eeww I could imagine remaining a fan if the team went to London but St Louis...
that would be hard to travel to a place most people avoid.