LA has had the Rams, and the Raiders, and if they get the Rams again they will fill the stadium for a few years but unless they win the support will revert to where it was before. There are too many options for the sports fan to spend recreational dollars.
Regards.......................the Chiefjag
Quote:LA has had the Rams, and the Raiders, and if they get the Rams again they will fill the stadium for a few years but unless they win the support will revert to where it was before. There are too many options for the sports fan to spend recreational dollars.
What about New York? The NYC area has two teams for each sport. That certainly has not been a problem there.
Quote:What about New York? The NYC area has two teams for each sport. That certainly has not been a problem there.
Have you been to New York vs LA LA Land? Seriously it is no comparison. You hit the fall/winter in New York there is a lot less to do that doesn't involve indoor activities. New York city area is very populated in a close area compared to the sprawl of LA. Plus LA is a lot more transient.
EDIT:
Growing up in New York and traveling, I could really go on and on about why NY is a rabid fan base compared to all things LA.
Quote:LA has had the Rams, and the Raiders, and if they get the Rams again they will fill the stadium for a few years but unless they win the support will revert to where it was before. There are too many options for the sports fan to spend recreational dollars.
Regards.......................the Chiefjag
You know nothing of Los Angeles.... Don't pretend like you do
LA has been salivating over the fact of having a NFL team here.
LA has soo many corporate businesses to buy box seats.
With a new stadium LA will probably host 2 Super Bowls out of the next 10 years.
Attendance for LAKER/DODGER games nowadays are always sold out. What makes you think the NFL is going to be any different?
Just because some didn't support the OLD RAMS/RAIDERS owners?
The rams old owner (THE OLD LADY, I FORGET HER NAME) was an absolute ***** once her husband died.
and..
Al Davis was well...... AL DAVIS (buffoon)
Quote:LA has been salivating over the fact of having a NFL team here.
LA has soo many corporate businesses to buy box seats.
With a new stadium LA will probably host 2 Super Bowls out of the next 10 years.
Attendance for LAKER/DODGER games nowadays are always sold out. What makes you think the NFL is going to be any different?
Just because some didn't support the OLD RAMS/RAIDERS owners?
The rams old owner (THE OLD LADY, I FORGET HER NAME) was an absolute [BAD WORD REMOVED]* once her husband died.
and..
Al Davis was well...... AL DAVIS (buffoon)
So you think people should just throw out the previous history of LA and think things have changed? You still have Raider fans and Charger fans in LA that aren't just going to stop supporting those teams. Trust a Jaguar fan when they tell you that fans don't change allegiances as easily as you think.
Quote:So you think people should just throw out the previous history of LA and think things have changed? You still have Raider fans and Charger fans in LA that aren't just going to stop supporting those teams. Trust a Jaguar fan when they tell you that fans don't change allegiances as easily as you think.
From 20+ years ago? YES. It would be ignorant not to.
Its a whole new generation
There are plenty of Rans fans still here. In fact I would say more so than Charger fans. (Charger fans are soft lol.).
I really think people forget how big LA and LA county actually are.
ROTFL @ people who don't think LA can support 8 home games ONCE a week lol
Quote:There are plenty of Rans fans still here. In fact I would say more so than Charger fans. (Charger fans are soft lol.).
I really think people forget how big LA and LA county actually are.
ROTFL @ people who don't think LA can support 8 home games ONCE a week lol
So LA didn't have the population to support it 20 years ago?
You arent thinking logically because you're from there. It's easy to say people really want an NFL team when its not there and you aren't putting your own money into it. It's a different story when its actually there.
To ignore what has happened in the past is pretty disingenuous on your part. ROTFL @ people who don't look at the past.
Quote:So LA didn't have the population to support it 20 years ago?
You arent thinking logically because you're from there. It's easy to say people really want an NFL team when its not there and you aren't putting your own money into it. It's a different story when its actually there.
To ignore what has happened in the past is pretty disingenuous on your part. ROTFL @ people who don't look at the past.
Since you love talking bout the past! Let's talk about fans not wanting to lose a team like it already has. You think LA is gonna let that happen again? Or are you one of those people who don't believe in change or learning from your experience.
Look at the facts! Every sports team on LA has great attendance through the greater part of 10+ years now. To think that LA is not going to support an NFL franchise is IGNORANT.
LA is the second biggest market in the USA. You know this. Trying to justify why a team will not thrive here is basically BS and speculation.
Hate to burst your bubble bruh, but LA is not Jacksonville. Jags fans( yes including myself) know what it's like for outsiders to judge a city based on attendance. Especially when all you can come up with is from 20+ years ago.
I guess all that's left is to wait and see.
Then whoever it may be, one of is gets to say "I told you so".
Quote:Since you love talking bout the past! Let's talk about fans not wanting to lose a team like it already has. You think LA is gonna let that happen again? Or are you one of those people who don't believe in change or learning from your experience.
Look at the facts! Every sports team on LA has great attendance through the greater part of 10+ years now. To think that LA is not going to support an NFL franchise is IGNORANT.
LA is the second biggest market in the USA. You know this. Trying to justify why a team will not thrive here is basically [BAD WORD REMOVED] and speculation.
Hate to burst your bubble bruh, but LA is not Jacksonville. Jags fans( yes including myself) know what it's like for outsiders to judge a city based on attendance. Especially when all you can come up with is from 20+ years ago.
I guess all that's left is to wait and see.
Then whoever it may be, one of is gets to say "I told you so".
Sorry bruh, but for outsiders to have a view of LA not being able to support a franchise its because they haven't how many times now? For people to be skeptical they have all the right in the world.
I've never once said that there is no chance they couldn't support it, only that the past has shown they can't. As I've said earlier in this thread, if I were an owner and I were in a small market I would move my team there in a heart beat to increase the value, sell it...and then let someone else take on the risk while the price jumps.
Can't use your own words except to "mock" mine huh? Lol. Again with the ignorance I see.. troll.
Since you don't seem to get it... TO THINK LA IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ITS NEW NFL TEAM AND THAT IT IS GOING TO FAIL IS RIDICULOUS. Check recent attendance for every team in the LA area.
Look at the facts. And stop trolling
Quote:LA has been salivating over the fact of having a NFL team here.
LA has soo many corporate businesses to buy box seats.
With a new stadium LA will probably host 2 Super Bowls out of the next 10 years.
Attendance for LAKER/DODGER games nowadays are always sold out. What makes you think the NFL is going to be any different?
Just because some didn't support the OLD RAMS/RAIDERS owners?
The rams old owner (THE OLD LADY, I FORGET HER NAME) was an absolute [BAD WORD REMOVED]* once her husband died.
and..
Al Davis was well...... AL DAVIS (buffoon)
1. The old lady to whom you refer was Georgia Frontiere.
2. Al Davis was far from a "buffoon" during the time the Raiders were in Los Angeles. Davis led the Raiders to five (5) Super Bowl appearances and three (3) Super Bowl championships (XI, XV, XVIII). He won Super Bowl XVIII when the Raiders were in Los Angeles. The team had several other playoff appearances during that time. We could only hope Khan can produce that level of success here in Jacksonville.
Edit for clarification: The Raiders made ONE (1) Super Bowl and numerous playoff appearances in Los Angeles (XVIII). The rest of the Super Bowls were achieved in Oakland, either during the first stay or the second.
My take on Los Angeles as an NFL market is that for the team to have long term support, it will need to be a winning team much more often than not and a team that has plenty of star power. Especially in the Offensive passing game.
When the old LA Rams used to get great support, they had both of these ingredients. When they didn't have at least one of these two ingredients, the support dropped off noticeably.
I don't think the type of winning teams the Jaguars had in the middle of the last decade would appeal to most potential fans in the LA market. I'm not factoring in the MJD connection with Los Angeles. It's the thought process that having a strong running game, Defense, and a winning team ( non Super Bowl ) isn't going to be enough to satisfy most fans in the LA market, after the novelty of having an NFL Franchise or two again wears off.
Quote:My take on Los Angeles as an NFL market is that for the team to have long term support, it will need to be a winning team much more often than not and a team that has plenty of star power. Especially in the Offensive passing game.
When the old LA Rams used to get great support, they had both of these ingredients. When they didn't have at least one of these two ingredients, the support dropped off noticeably.
I don't think the type of winning teams the Jaguars had in the middle of the last decade would appeal to most potential fans in the LA market. I'm not factoring in the MJD connection with Los Angeles. It's the thought process that having a strong running game, Defense, and a winning team ( non Super Bowl ) isn't going to be enough to satisfy most fans in the LA market, after the novelty of having an NFL Franchise or two again wears off.
Maybe the old Chuck Knox/John Robinson era Rams fans might like that style of play that the mid 2000s Jaguars had, but aside from that, I would think that would be a tough sell in almost any market these days, save Pittsburgh, Chicago and New York...maybe KC.
Quote:My take on Los Angeles as an NFL market is that for the team to have long term support, it will need to be a winning team much more often than not and a team that has plenty of star power. Especially in the Offensive passing game.
When the old LA Rams used to get great support, they had both of these ingredients. When they didn't have at least one of these two ingredients, the support dropped off noticeably.
I don't think the type of winning teams the Jaguars had in the middle of the last decade would appeal to most potential fans in the LA market. I'm not factoring in the MJD connection with Los Angeles. It's the thought process that having a strong running game, Defense, and a winning team ( non Super Bowl ) isn't going to be enough to satisfy most fans in the LA market, after the novelty of having an NFL Franchise or two again wears off.
I can agree on most of this.
If you've been reading this thread (i am sure you have) I am pretty confident with the attendance holding throughout.
One thing I can say which we all will probably agree on is that LA demands winners.
Lakers/Dodgers/Kings/ Galaxy all have championships in recent years.
To get rid of any speculation, a winning culture will do so.
Just don't run the team into the ground. I.e. LA RAMS Georgia Frontiere
I have a question for everyone.
All the love and support USC and UCLA get from the LA area...
Do you think that has any proof about supporting football? Or not so much?
Bullseye, I'm on a computer in which the quote function isn't working but want to offer my two cents on what you expressed.
While I agree that most NFL fans prefer a more wide open attack compared to the old LA Rams of the 1970's and the Jaguars of the mid 2000's, my guess is teams with that attack that advance in the playoffs would be received well in the majority of NFL markets. In places like Detroit, Cleveland, and Buffalo, where the last play win was in the 1990's, I truly believe most fans would be ecstatic if the respective team advanced to the Conference Championship game.
The reason why I'm skeptical about Los Angeles in this regard is that it's a market that's very star oriented. Especially, with Hollywood in the backyard and so many other interests of people in that area. With LA having two major College Football programs, two teams in the other major sports, with mountains, and the ocean nearby, winning with glitz seems needed to sustain popularity and support.
A new stadium in LA would make a huge difference. The Coliseum is terrible. LA fans would support the team if you make the stadium top notch.
Teal Curtain, in fairness to the old LA Rams fan base, I agree that Georgia Frontiere ran the franchise into the ground. That much more when considering the trade compensation the Rams received for Eric Dickerson.
But as a person that's followed the NFL for a long time and has also read up on the history of the league, it seemed like the Rams were most popular in Los Angeles in the 1950's, 1960's, and pre Chuck Knox era 1970's when they had big time passing games. Plus, they had winning teams most of the time. The ground oriented Rams of the Knox and John Robinson eras didn't seem to have the same appeal to the Rams fan base as a whole. This despite the Rams having a large amount of success in these eras as well.