It now seems likely that the Giants will place the Transition Tag on JPP to tie him up for a year. I am not sure if this will be done to hold on to the player or if the Giants management does not like not getting anything for JPP in return for him walking away.
Yet we all know if JPP does walk away, the Giants will most likely get a late Rd 3 compensational pick in the 2016 Draft for JPP leaving via Free Agency.
If indeed the Giants do place the Transition Tag on JPP, would you be opposed to the Jags offering up their Rd 4 selection (Pick 104) in trade for JPP?
This is essentially what the Jags did with Eugene Monroe and the Ravens.
The key here as I see it is having Leonard Williams at one DE spot and JPP manning the other.
Your thoughts or slings and arrows of disgust would be appreciated.
I dont think the Giants would give him away for a 4th round pick, they probably will pay the man.
Quote:It now seems likely that the Giants will place the Transition Tag on JPP to tie him up for a year. I am not sure if this will be done to hold on to the player or if the Giants management does not like not getting anything for JPP in return for him walking away.
Yet we all know if JPP does walk away, the Giants will most likely get a late Rd 3 compensational pick in the 2016 Draft for JPP leaving via Free Agency.
If indeed the Giants do place the Transition Tag on JPP, would you be opposed to the Jags offering up their Rd 4 selection (Pick 104) in trade for JPP?
This is essentially what the Jags did with Eugene Monroe and the Ravens.
The key here as I see it is having Leonard Williams at one DE spot and JPP manning the other.
Your thoughts or slings and arrows of disgust would be appreciated.
I would not be opposed to the deal because at his age, seemingly good health, and productivity at an important position, he would likely be more important/productive than any 4th rounder we'd get.
But I don't think the Giants would be receptive to such a deal.
There are two advantages to them:
1) would be getting a pick they could move in trade, vs. a compensatory pick they could not trade.
2) Getting a pick this year (presumably) vs. a compensatory pick in 2016.
Advantage 1 is mitigated by the fact there is no guarantee they could actually trade the pick, and even though it is a high 4th round pick, it is still lower than the theoretical 3rd round compensatory pick for him.
Advantage two is mitigated by the fact a 4th round pick likely would not have the immediate impact that JPP would have for the Giants this year, especially at an important position like pass rushing RDE.
Is it even possible to trade a pick for JPP now that he will become a free agent?
If it is, I think the Giants would demand a first round pick for him. We obviously can't afford to give that up.
The Giants will slap the franchise tag on him, and for good reason. He's someone they want to build around on defense. If they were willing to trade him, it would be for far more than a fourth-round pick.
Quote:The key here as I see it is having Leonard Williams at one DE spot and JPP manning the other.
Your thoughts or slings and arrows of disgust would be appreciated.
I think they would both be LEOs.
Quote:I think they would both be LEOs.
Leonard Williams as a LEO? Dude, do you even know who Leonard Williams is?
Quote:The Giants will slap the franchise tag on him, and for good reason. He's someone they want to build around on defense. If they were willing to trade him, it would be for far more than a fourth-round pick.
Is that a prediction or report?
Whoa. If the Giants want to do that they will have only $1 million left to sign or retain someone else.
Quote:The franchise tag for defensive ends is projected to be around $15 million. According to overthecap.com, the Giants are expected to have around $16 million in cap room.
Question here?
Does not the Transition Tag cost less than the Franchise Tag?
Last year the Steelers placed the Transition Tag on Jason Worilds.
Is not the Franchise Tag the Average of the Top 5 vs the Transition Tag which is the Average of the Top 10?
Don't know the compensation differences.
Quote:Question here?
Does not the Transition Tag cost less than the Franchise Tag?
Last year the Steelers placed the Transition Tag on Jason Worilds.
Is not the Franchise Tag the Average of the Top 5 vs the Transition Tag which is the Average of the Top 10?
Don't know the compensation differences.
The transition tag costs less, often considerably less, but it removes any compensation that would be due to the player's original team if the player were signed elsewhere. In short, if the player signs elsewhere under a franchise tag, the new team ships two first-round picks to the old team. If the player moves with a transition tag, the old team gets nothing.
In Cleveland's case last year, signing Alex Mack to the transition tag made sense. They had loads of cap room and could match virtually any offer sent his way, so they had nothing to lose by slapping him with a lower-cost tag.
In the Giants' case this year, it would be very easy for another team to craft an offer for JPP that they could not match, given their relatively tight cap. The transition tag makes no sense in this situation, as JPP could easily walk away with the Giants getting nothing. If they want to keep JPP, they'd have no choice but to use the pricier franchise tag. Even though someone could still put together an offer sheet that would be virtually impossible to match, the likelihood of their being willing to give up two first-round picks for JPP is very slim.
Quote:The transition tag costs less, often considerably less, but it removes any compensation that would be due to the player's original team if the player were signed elsewhere. In short, if the player signs elsewhere under a franchise tag, the new team ships two first-round picks to the old team. If the player moves with a transition tag, the old team gets nothing.
In Cleveland's case this year, signing Alex Mack to the transition tag made sense. They had loads of cap room and could match virtually any offer sent his way, so they had nothing to lose by slapping him with a lower-cost tag.
In the Giants' case next year, it would be very easy for another team to craft an offer for JPP that they could not match, given their relatively tight cap. The transition tag makes no sense in this situation, as JPP could easily walk away with the Giants getting nothing. If they want to keep JPP, they'd have no choice but to use the pricier franchise tag. Even though someone could still put together an offer sheet that would be virtually impossible to match, the likelihood of their being willing to give up two first-round picks for JPP is very slim.
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Why did it make more sense for the Browns to put the transition tag on Alex Mack when they had enough money to use the franchise tag? Did they really think a team would want to give them two first round picks, which we obviously could not afford?
I don't see how the Giants can afford to put the franchise tag on JPP with only $16 million to spend. They will have to release some other players first because he refuses to take a pay cut.
Quote:Why did it make more sense for the Browns to put the transition tag on Alex Mack when they had enough money to use the franchise tag? Did they really think a team would want to give them two first round picks, which we obviously could not afford?
I don't see how the Giants can afford to put the franchise tag on JPP with only $16 million to spend. They will have to release some other players first because he refuses to take a pay cut.
1. The transition tag is considerably cheaper than the franchise tag. If you know you're going to keep a guy and you have the cap space to match anything, why not hit him with a less-costly tag and gamble on no one making an offer that you have to match?
2. Yes, they will have to, but they'll have to do far less in the way of releases and restructuring to keep a $15M contract around than they'd have to if they used the transition tag and someone wrote a deal with a $20M+ cap hit in year one. Using the transition tag would save them a few bucks today and cost them their best player tomorrow.
Thanks for the responses.
Clearly the Giants are going to have to Franchise Tag JPP or let him walk.
The Giants usually do not Franchise a player, they sign him to a long term contract.
The Giants have massive Oline issues that caused all kinds of problems for Eli Manning.
I am not all that sure that the Giants are not bluffing about signing JPP.
For the same money they could replace both of their guards and resign Rolle.
I think the Giants just don't want their players to think that they don't want them on their roster.
Accordingly, put me down as one who thinks JPP walks, but we now know it will be for 15 Mil per season.
If they let JPP test the market, I hope he is on David Caldwell's wish list. He is the guy we should have picked in 2010 when Gene Smith reached for Tyson Alualu.
Quote:Leonard Williams as a LEO? Dude, do you even know who Leonard Williams is?
Dooood, he's the DT from USC!
Yes I know who he is. I believe he will be very versatile here and move around. My reply to the other posters comment was I see them both as LEOs, when playing the DE position and not on the other side on more traditional running downs, dude.
It is entirely possible that Leonard Williams could turn into something like a Reggie White and with his quickness and strength simply blow by OT's for sacks, rather than run around them. But here is the thing, ORT's are usually the lesser athlete compared to the OLT. The Leo goes up against the OLT. The 5Tech goes up against the ORT. Williams should be a handful for most ORT, much like J.J. Watt is with Houston.
It will be interesting to see.
I'm not entirely convinced that JPP is better than Chris Clemons.