Quote:This is where I think Bortles is suffering the most - in an effort not to throw interceptions, he is so risk-adverse he won't take chances. Bottles is a slinger, he needs to throw the rock downfield and take chances to develop his confidence.
We're not in the meetings and practice field... But I wonder if it's BB5 becoming risk averse, or if the coaches are pounding that into his head... Either way, I see it too...
The pass protection isn't doing him any favors either. BB5's internal clock is all out of whack... He's not trusting the pocket to keep him upright, so he's dumping to his first read alost immediately, or bailing out of the pocket. I'd be doing the same thing behind that line.
Quote:I think it's a combination of alot of things. BB5 isn't comfortable in the pocket anymore, you can tell he's lost trust in the o-line, so if his first read isn't there, he's ready to bail on the o-line.
I saw this multiple times. It looks like if BB5 doesn't see his first read, he's out of there... Which I don't blame him on. That O-line is trash. Seriously, Young practically go BB5 killed out there.
I've noticed this too. I'm fine with him doing it this year to save himself (because this o-line could legit get a player killed from internal bleeding if he tried to stay in the pocket all game), but I'm worried about how this plays out next year. Will Bortles be able to trust any o-line after this season? Or is he doomed to be a 1-read-and-run-for-his-life QB like Gabbert was by his 3rd year here?
Now, that's not to say I think Bortles is going to be a bust or anything crazy like that. I think he has shown a nice amount of progression this year and I'm happy with where he's at now, considering where he came from. I think his decision making in terms of his passes are better, as are his decisions as to when to scramble vs. forcing a pass. I'm just worried (as I have been all year) about that pesky internal clock that all QB's need to manage and the effect this useless offensive line will have on it moving forward. :confused:
7 minutes to go, it's a one possession game and the jags are up and have the ball. Bortles drIves for 6 minutes and they eventually punt to pin the titans. That's good stuff for a rookie!
Quote:Can we imagine Bortles with better line play and a cleaning up of his mechanics? Boselli was on the Rich Eisen show earlier and hit the nail on the head. Bortles has everything you can't coach, we just need him to get better at those things than can be coached
Hope.
Quote:I think it's a combination of alot of things. BB5 isn't comfortable in the pocket anymore, you can tell he's lost trust in the o-line, so if his first read isn't there, he's ready to bail on the o-line.
I saw this multiple times. It looks like if BB5 doesn't see his first read, he's out of there... Which I don't blame him on. That O-line is trash. Seriously, Young practically go BB5 killed out there.
i would not be surprised if they told him to bail out early for self preservation
he has a foot sprain, a problem was his left hand and I'm sure something went else went wrong at some point
the only sacks I saw him take where when someone whiffed big time
2 sacks both on sam young
good day for bowanko though, the only lineman not to give up a hurry and got a key run block
Quote:Nobody in the world feels that pressure. No QB expects their RT to whiff like that and allow their QB to get blasted. That has nothing to do with Bortles. He fumbled because he was in the motion of throwing.
I've seen experienced quarterbacks feel a complete blindside hit and duck to avoid it...or step up to avoid it. It's not a complete impossibility.
Quote:And something tells me that your be the first guy on here whining about an int if he hadn't erred on the side of caution.
And something tells me you don't know anything about me to assume what I'm going to think otherwise.
Quote:I've noticed this too. I'm fine with him doing it this year to save himself (because this o-line could legit get a player killed from internal bleeding if he tried to stay in the pocket all game), but I'm worried about how this plays out next year. Will Bortles be able to trust any o-line after this season? Or is he doomed to be a 1-read-and-run-for-his-life QB like Gabbert was by his 3rd year here?
Now, that's not to say I think Bortles is going to be a bust or anything crazy like that. I think he has shown a nice amount of progression this year and I'm happy with where he's at now, considering where he came from. I think his decision making in terms of his passes are better, as are his decisions as to when to scramble vs. forcing a pass. I'm just worried (as I have been all year) about that pesky internal clock that all QB's need to manage and the effect this useless offensive line will have on it moving forward. :confused:
Nah "we're" all just whining...right, moderator HIGH SCORE?
I thought Bortles was rattled for a quarter and a half, which was rightfully so. He got killed. I thought he wasn't going to get up after that spearing hit. Then Blake decided to sit in the pocket for his first read, and when he felt the pocket collapse, he ran outside to hit the receiver. For a guy with a foot injury and sacked 4 times, he did pretty damn good. Some people on here look at stats. They think you can't have a good game unless you put up 400 yards and 4 TDs. How many times did Shorts drop the ball last night? Marcedes caught the TD, however, he fell when no one was around him after running a 2 yard route. He literally has ZERO veterans to rely on.
Quote:Nah "we're" all just whining...right, moderator HIGH SCORE?
Nah mainly just you, whiner SpeedyG.
I do believe he has gotten back on to better terms the last few games. Like CSO14 said tho the lack of vet help has been pretty killer. Plus we all know about the OLine and even Fisch. I like that Bortles was able to use his legs last night to keep drives alive, I feel as if we had not seen much of that as of late.
Quote:Nah mainly just you, whiner SpeedyG.
LoL...you must be that guy wearing the Titans jersey last night. You know, the one who got the pie to his face :yes:
Quote:I do believe he has gotten back on to better terms the last few games. Like CSO14 said tho the lack of vet help has been pretty killer. Plus we all know about the OLine and even Fisch. I like that Bortles was able to use his legs last night to keep drives alive, I feel as if we had not seen much of that as of late.
This offense is just not good enough on its own to just rely on Blake's arm. I don't think it's any coincidence that the games we've won (or should have won) were games when we utilized his running ability. We should have beat the Dolphins if not for his two bad INTs, should have beat Tenn at their place if not for the blocked FG, we did beat the Browns and the Giants, and of course last night.
On his Gunslinger vs Henne mentality the one time he did hang truly calm in the pocket he got blasted. That kinda stuff sticks with a young QB.
Stage 1: playbook and mechanics.
Stage 2: Let him make his mistakes and play his way.
Stage 3: Reign him in and teach him control.
Stage 4: Reinforce mechanics in offseason
Stage 5: Take the reigns off and hand him the keys.
This to me was the plan all along. They just had to throw him in earlier than expected. We saw stages 1 and 2 for most of the season hence the early ints. Now we are seeing stage 3.
So long as he doesnt continue the quick read mentality next year then im fine. You cant play Gunslinger at all times though. Even Brady and Brees sometimes have to play small ball to win games. The key is teaching him both mentalities and when to use each one.
Quote:This offense is just not good enough on its own to just rely on Blake's arm. I don't think it's any coincidence that the games we've won (or should have won) were games when we utilized his running ability. We should have beat the Dolphins if not for his two bad INTs, should have beat Tenn at their place if not for the blocked FG, we did beat the Browns and the Giants, and of course last night.
Ironically we beat the Browns despite poor play by Bortles. After that game Blake said he did not play very well.
The game at Tennessee was the first time he throw only one interception. Last night he threw no interceptions. It makes me wonder how low the Titans are ranked in takeaways.
I can't wait for David Caldwell to find a better right tackle. It is obvious we have no depth at that position and there must be a guy better than Austin Pasztor available.
Quote:On his Gunslinger vs Henne mentality the one time he did hang truly calm in the pocket he got blasted. That kinda stuff sticks with a young QB.
Stage 1: playbook and mechanics.
Stage 2: Let him make his mistakes and play his way.
Stage 3: Reign him in and teach him control.
Stage 4: Reinforce mechanics in offseason
Stage 5: Take the reigns off and hand him the keys.
This to me was the plan all along. They just had to throw him in earlier than expected. We saw stages 1 and 2 for most of the season hence the early ints. Now we are seeing stage 3.
So long as he doesnt continue the quick read mentality next year then im fine. You cant play Gunslinger at all times though. Even Brady and Brees sometimes have to play small ball to win games. The key is teaching him both mentalities and when to use each one.
There's a fine line though, and he's still trying to figure it out. That last play against Houston when he checked down on 4th and long was the epitome of a gunslinger getting gun-shy after a season long of punishment due to bad OL and constantly getting hammered with "don't throw INTs". I never ever ever want to see that from Blake again, and fortunately it looked like he learned from it against the Ravens. Don't care it went for an INT...at least he took a shot.
Quote:Ironically we beat the Browns despite poor play by Bortles. After that game Blake said he did not play very well.
The game at Tennessee was the first time he throw only one interception. Last night he threw no interceptions. It makes me wonder how low the Titans are ranked in takeaways.
I can't wait for David Caldwell to find a better right tackle. It is obvious we have no depth there and there must be a guy better than Austin Pasztor available.
He didn't throw the ball well vs. Cleveland, but the point was that he scrambled and ran to pick up first downs.
Quote:On his Gunslinger vs Henne mentality the one time he did hang truly calm in the pocket he got blasted. That kinda stuff sticks with a young QB.
Stage 1: playbook and mechanics.
Stage 2: Let him make his mistakes and play his way.
Stage 3: Rein him in and teach him control.
Stage 4: Reinforce mechanics in offseason
Stage 5: Take the reins off and hand him the keys.
This to me was the plan all along. They just had to throw him in earlier than expected. We saw stages 1 and 2 for most of the season hence the early ints. Now we are seeing stage 3.
So long as he doesnt continue the quick read mentality next year then im fine. You cant play Gunslinger at all times though. Even Brady and Brees sometimes have to play small ball to win games. The key is teaching him both mentalities and when to use each one.
A full offseason and training camp as the undisputed starter will definitely help him. I think part of the problem is because we planned to redshirt Blake Bortles, he was not prepared enough when Gus Bradley said, "You're in," at the first Colts game and announced less than two hours later he will start at San Diego. We should see Stage 5 when the 2015 season starts.
Quote:We should see Stage 5 when the 2015 season starts.
Im not trying to be negative or anything but I honestly do not expect stage 5 at the start of the season still. I think he still needs more help and IDK... one he has more help fisch(if hes here he might give him more options)