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Quote:man, find a hobby 

 

Quote:Sadly I think this is for him

 

So, you two agree coaches should be tested. Glad we are in agreement on this topic. Thank you for your contributions.

Quote:Everybody on the field is responsible for six wins in the last 30 games.

everyone on the field is responsible for the improved defense

Quote:I feel bad for Gus when it comes to the line. Pretty much anyone who thought about it knew the line was going to be a major question mark coming into this season in a best case scenario, just from the way the line was assembled from a personnel standpoint. The O-Line is all about consistency and familiarity. This team planned on starting a guy at LT who hadn't played LT in the NFL yet. It planned on plugging in a free agent at LG. It planned on having a UDFA who had been overpowered every time he stepped on the field as a guard as the Center, with a 6th round rookie waiting in the wings. It planned on either Jacques McClendon or a rookie as the RG. That's 4 out of 5 spots being completely new players with no familiarity with each other. Its essentially 3 rookies who are trying to figure out life in the NFL with no veteran presence, and no one to help them pick up the slack on the field if they mess up. And of course the guy who's supposed to be conducting the whole O-Line is the 6th round rookie (there's a reason every year when everyone here thought Meester needed to go, the team kept bringing him back and talking about his high football IQ).

 

We saw the faults of the line in the pre-season where 2 starters played themselves out of their penciled in spots, and one even managed to play himself out of a job (Brewster getting cut, McClendon getting moved to center so Linder could start at RG). We saw it again earlier this year when Bowanko took over for McClendon and then again when the team cut Bradfield, who was supposed to be the starting RT while Paztor recovered and the versatile 6th man after Paztor came back.

 

It's week 16 and the line has been a struggle the whole year. Help wasn't on the way before, and it's certainly not on the way in these final 2 weeks. What exactly is Gus supposed to say? "The entire line sucks and we should take them all out back and shoot them?" I don't think Gus is stupid; I'm sure he knows the line has been embarrassing all season. Saying that in public doesn't really do much but unnecessarily embarrass 5 players who are all still fairly young and can hopefully still improve.

 

Obviously it'd be nice to see more improvement than we have out of the line, so if you want to criticize Gus on the line's failure to gel and make significant strides, then go for it. But at this point it is what it is. This is what you get when you fling a bunch of stuff at the wall and hope it sticks in regards to the offensive line. Gus' comments about the line are the least of this team's worries. It's not even like Gus said they played well. He said they're getting better, and honestly as pathetic as it might be, he might not even be wrong with the laughably low bar the line had set earlier this year (remember their 10 sack performance against the Redskins? And I know that was Henne, so how about the 6 sack performance against the Titans, as that was Bortles at QB? At least the Ravens have Suggs and Dumervill and a competent defense.).

 

Well stated. And I appreciate your perspective on the construction of the Offensive Line group. It's rather jarring to me to know that not only are there all new starters on the Line from one year ago, but that four of them weren't even on the Roster (at least, I don't think Young was here last December).

 

Thanks for the write-up

Quote:Next year we get the NFC South and AFC East. That should be easier for us.

 

If we can't beat the lowly Jets and Buccaneers, you know something is wrong.

 

If teams judged their W/L next year by looking at the schedule, we would be 0-16. Think about it.

Quote:LOL, so much easier to be an apologist...

 

I didn't think so...all the facts are stacked against.  The apologists have to use "Facts" such as "they will improve," "talent is there" and "Bradley will be a great coach."

 

It takes more trust and faith to be an apologist in my opinion because there are no facts to back up the "improvement" theory other than the average age of the team.

 

Quote:Why the constant need to defend the O-line from the Jaguars staff and media and basically throwing their #1 draft pick QB under the bus by saying that he needs to help them out.  The talk from everyone seems to be that he sacks himself too much.  It's kind of surprising that he is the ONLY one I've heard getting called out.  Granted, he's not playing well, but the O-line is playing magnitudes worse than he is.

 

Scobe got called out too...

Quote:"Our perception is the offensive line is getting better.” - HC Bradley

 

Why does it matter what Gus says to the media? There's a good chance the conversation he has with David Caldwell and the rest of the Jaguars brass (in regards to the offensive line) is quite different, are you expecting him to call guys out?

Quote:Why does it matter what Gus says to the media? There's a good chance the conversation he has with David Caldwell and the rest of the Jaguars brass (in regards to the offensive line) is quite different, are you expecting him to call guys out?

 

Doesn't have to call out individuals, but he can acknowledge to the fans and the media that the O-line is not playing well.  It would at least get him some credibility instead of looking like a rainbows and unicorn head coach.

Quote:Doesn't have to call out individuals, but he can acknowledge to the fans and the media that the O-line is not playing well.  It would at least get him some credibility instead of looking like a rainbows and unicorn head coach.

 

Hahahaha, what would this accomplish? Stop being so sensitive.

Quote:Hahahaha, what would this accomplish? Stop being so sensitive.

 

It would give us confidence that he actually knows football. 

Quote:It would give us confidence that he actually knows football. 

 

You can't be seroius.

Quote:It's to the point where you need boots and a shovel to see one of his press conferences. There is no way he believes the [BAD WORD REMOVED] that comes out of his mouth, and if he does, he is completely delusional.

I totally agree.  He is watching a different game than the ones I watch every week.  He is puffing on something hard

Quote:Always true.

it's like saying he is the best window licker on the short bus.  We are still bad and the laughing stock of the league.  Whenever my co workers talk football I try to shut up because they love to talk about how pathetic the Jaguars are.  The worse thing is they are right

Quote:I just hope everyone knows that griping about Gus Bradley all offseason isn't going to change anything. There are still going to be supporters because he coaches their favorite team, and it's obvious that the naysayers will be out in full force.


Ah, what the hay. I actually like to read the "I'm smarter than you," and of course the "you cook french fries for a living" cat-fights here in the Jungle. Damn good entertainment.

I think that Bradley's coach speak has a lot to do with his philosophy of accentuating the positives.  He's not going to get PO'ed and start calling guys out in the media.  He might say something like the offense needs to play better.  What I want to know is where the "Do your job!" Gus Bradley is.  This is the guy I thought we were getting.  Instead all I see are smiles and a good time for all.  I think we need to see Gus get in some guys' grills and let it rip every once in a while.  Especially when they aren't executing properly.  You know they have to be going over this stuff in practice and in the film room.  From the outside looking in, Gus is a player's coach and these guys are comfortable for the most part.  We need to get to the point where we have enough depth that we can let some guys walk if it will help the team, no matter what position.  Now, these things may be happening behind closed doors and if it is, fine, but we need to see some positive outcomes on the field.  I think we all are just frustrated with the situation and want the team to get better.  We fans have been tormented by this team for a long time.  If and when we turn the corner,  it'll be great, but man it's tough waiting it out.  I feel like Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin when it comes to the team improving the record.

Quote:People who don't like Gus Bradley have no clue what they are talking about. He is responsible for the huge improvement on defense. Now we just need time for the offense to catch up.

 

The Jags defense is 28th in yards allowed and 29th in points allowed. While that's better than last season, it's a reach to call that a 'huge' improvement.

Quote:The Jags defense is 28th in yards allowed and 29th in points allowed. While that's better than last season, it's a reach to call that a 'huge' improvement.

I've been fairly supportive of Gus Bradley and not so supportive of his coordinators.  I think these last two games are going to seal his fate for next season.  My gut feeling is that he sticks around one more year with a few coordinator changes next year, but if we get blown out in both games, we might be looking at another scenario.  I think Khan, being an engineer understands that this is a process, but I think he also knows that if they continue to lose, the casual fans are going to find something different to do with their Sundays next fall.  The diehards like us will still show up, but I'm afraid that there just aren't enough of us right now to tide us over.  Khan and Co. are building something good here, but I'm beginning to think that they will make a change if it will help to continue the positive momentum.