Quote:Believe it or not, Henne is one of the better backups in the league.
Do you even remember what it was like when Henne played?
There's not a chance Henne is one of the better backups in the league.
We haven't even seen a lot othe backups play this year, but we have definitely seen Henne play this year.
He played a great half against the Eagles, after that, he played himself off the field.
Quote:Do you even remember what it was like when Henne played?
There's not a chance Henne is one of the better backups in the league.
We haven't even seen a lot othe backups play this year, but we have definitely seen Henne play this year.
He played a great half against the Eagles, after that, he played himself off the field.
Correction, the Jaguars played a great half, and Henne benefitted from some sick play around him. He didn't play "a great half."
Quote:Do you even remember what it was like when Henne played?
There's not a chance Henne is one of the better backups in the league.
We haven't even seen a lot othe backups play this year, but we have definitely seen Henne play this year.
He played a great half against the Eagles, after that, he played himself off the field.
Just off the top of my head... I would take Henne over Clausen, Manuel, Osweiler, Flynn, Yates, Keenum, Clemens, Taylor, Gabbert, Orlovsky, Weeden
Quote:So who is out there that offers more than Henne?
Henne has actually won games for the Jaguars.
Just look at the list of available QBs out there, most of them will have more to offer than Henne.
It's like people actually forgot what Henne was like when he played.
Yes, the Jags did actually win 4 games last year with Henne as QB, but they won 2 of those games in spite of Henne, especially at the end of the game, when Henne could not get a 1st down or even run out the clock.
Henne had his moment on the TD pass to CS3 against the Browns, I'll give him that.
Quote:Correction, the Jaguars played a great half, and Henne benefitted from some sick play around him. He didn't play "a great half."
I don't know Henne's exact passing yds for the first half, but he had 2 TD passes, 0 int and lead the Jags to a 17-0 lead (Scobee also missed a FG that would have made it 20-0).
It was a rare great stretch for Henne, with 2 long TD passes to Hurns.
That's a GREAT half for Henne, no matter how you break it down. If he could have maintained even close to that level he would still be starting today, but we all knew that was impossible for Henne.
The D also played great to shutout a really good Eagles team, which made the half look even better.
Unfortunately, the real Henne showed back up in the 2nd half and the Jags were promptly shutout.
Quote:Just off the top of my head... I would take Henne over Clausen, Manuel, Osweiler, Flynn, Yates, Keenum, Clemens, Taylor, Gabbert, Orlovsky, Weeden
There's no doubt that there are some pretty bad backup QBs out there today, and Henne fits right in with them.
How quickly we forget what the offense looked like with Henne in there..
Quote:There's no doubt that there are some pretty bad backup QBs out there today, and Henne fits right in with them.
How quickly we forget what the offense looked like with Henne in there..
I agree... Henne is not good. But there are worse backups than him. Gabbert? Tyrod Taylor? Dan Orlovsky?
Quote:I don't know Henne's exact passing yds for the first half, but he had 2 TD passes, 0 int and lead the Jags to a 17-0 lead (Scobee also missed a FG that would have made it 20-0).
It was a rare great stretch for Henne, with 2 long TD passes to Hurns.
That's a GREAT half for Henne, no matter how you break it down. If he could have maintained even close to that level he would still be starting today, but we all knew that was impossible for Henne.
The D also played great to shutout a really good Eagles team, which made the half look even better.
Unfortunately, the real Henne showed back up in the 2nd half and the Jags were promptly shutout.
Statistically it looked great, but he threw a couple of bad passes and got bailed out by Hurns playing the game of his life.
Go back and look at the highlights on NFL.com if you don't remember.
Quote:Statistically it looked great, but he threw a couple of bad passes and got bailed out by Hurns playing the game of his life.
Go back and look at the highlights on NFL.com if you don't remember.
Oh I remember the first half quite well. It was the highlight of the season for a long long time.
Henne's 2 passes to Hurns were not perfect and Hurns made a couple of great adjusting catches.
I have seen plenty of "bad passes" by Henne, including ones that are in the dirt (the worm burner), miss the WR by 4-5 feet, get batted down or get picked off. Now those are bad passes.
The 2 TD passes to Hurns, while not perfect or even near-perfect, I just don't consider them "bad passes", especially coming from Henne, who is known to throw a lot of bad passes.
Quote:Oh I remember the first half quite well. It was the highlight of the season for a long long time.
Henne's 2 passes to Hurns were not perfect and Hurns made a couple of great adjusting catches.
I have seen plenty of "bad passes" by Henne, including ones that are in the dirt (the worm burner), miss the WR by 4-5 feet, get batted down or get picked off. Now those are bad passes.
The 2 TD passes to Hurns, while not perfect or even near-perfect, I just don't consider them "bad passes", especially coming from Henne, who is known to throw a lot of bad passes.
For Henne the performance was rather normal. Neither his worst, nor his best.
Doesn't change that it wasn't a great performance, because I don't accept the sort of "for him" qualifier that would be necessary to label it "great".
Quote:I agree... Henne is not good. But there are worse backups than him. Gabbert? Tyrod Taylor? Dan Orlovsky?
Yes, I think it's safe to say there are worse backups then Henne out there, but to call Henne one of the better backups in the league is just ridiculous to me.
I have not forgotten what it's like to have Henne in at QB.
While he is capable of some good stretches of play at times, overall, he's still a bad QB, backup or starter.
That's why he is always ranked at the bottom of the QB chart when he plays.
It's not a coincidence.
Quote:For Henne the performance was rather normal. Neither his worst, nor his best.
Doesn't change that it wasn't a great performance, because I don't accept the sort of "for him" qualifier that would be necessary to label it "great".
We can just agree to disagree on whether the first half against the Eagles was a great half for Henne or not.
I'm OK with that.
Maybe for TB, PM, or AR it wasn't a great half, but for a QB of Henne's caliber, it was a great half to me.
I would take 2TDs 0 ints and 17 points in every half of football Henne plays for the Jags, everytime.
That's really all I am saying.
Quote: We can just agree to disagree on whether the first half against the Eagles was a great half for Henne or not.
I'm OK with that.
Maybe for TB, PM, or AR it wasn't a great half, but for a QB of Henne's caliber, it was a great half to me.
I would take 2TDs 0 ints and 17 points in every half of football Henne plays for the Jags, everytime.
That's really all I am saying.
The team did that, not Henne. It's incorrect to just assign credit for all offensive output to whomever happened to be under center.
What part of that is so hard to understand?
Quote:The team did that, not Henne. It's incorrect to just assign credit for all offensive output to whomever happened to be under center.
What part of that is so hard to understand?
The QB always gets a lot of the credit when the team plays well and a lot of the blame when the team doesn't play well.
Agree or disagree, that's the way it is.
Where have you been?
Henne hasn't had many great halves of football as QB of the Jags, but that was one of them. IMO.
Quote:Brian Hoyer may be available next year.
Hoyer's going to want to start, and someone will give him a low-end starter's contract to do just that.
Quote:Yes, I think it's safe to say there are worse backups then Henne out there, but to call Henne one of the better backups in the league is just ridiculous to me.
I think some people here may be forgetting the backup QB's job. The backup QB doesn't necessarily have to be on par with the starter; if he is, either you've got a terrible starter or a backup who's leaving next year to start for someone else. The Jaguars were in the former situation with Gabbert and Henne last year. Gabbert was so awful that Henne looked great by comparison. This year brought a reality check, as it quickly became apparent that Henne was awful now, always has been awful, and always will be awful. That said, he's still a decent backup QB because he's smart, and he can see things from the sideline that Bortles can't yet and relay that information to him. Most importantly, Henne is willing and able to fill that role. Can you say the same for a young QB?
I wouldn't be surprised if Henne keeps the backup job next year, with Stephen Morris or a low-drafted rookie either serving as the third QB or sitting on the practice squad. I think the team recognizes that, long term, the chances of Bortles missing some time with an injury are high, especially given his tendency to move around and the state of his offensive line. Henne's not an ideal QB for such a scenario, although I do think he'd look much better (read: average) behind a solid line, and I do expect next year to be his last with the Jaguars, but in the short term, how much better are we really going to get at his slot? Brian Hoyer looks to be the prize QB in free agency next year (which says something about the free agent QBs available), and there's no way he goes from starting to being the backup in Jacksonville. The best we could do in terms of an upgrade is someone like Shaun Hill if he hits FA--not sure of his contract situation--or Mike Glennon if he's released. Are either of those options really any better than Chad Henne, or are we pretty well stuck with what we've got?
Let's sign Cleo Lemon. He should be a good backup for Bortles.
Yea sure let's get a no-name QB from a no-name University to be the 2nd in line to the most important position on the field. There's an idea! Not a good one, but an idea nonetheless.
Regards........................the Chiefjag
Quote:Chad Henne (as a backup isnt horrible) he knows the playbook, he's tough, and doesnt take a lot of risks. The bad side about Chad is that he is least likely among the available QBs to get a first down or make a winning drive. He wont however cause turnovers as much as others and is often labeled as a game manager.
All true. My point is that a rookie could do the job that Chad has done, and probably just as efficient. While it is true that a rookie wouldn't know the play book as well as a vet who's been on the team years now, there is little lost since Chad doesn't run all the plays either; knowing and
doing are two different things. A young rookie would almost certainly be more athletic at this point than Chad and if nothing else make plays if necessary with their legs. And while we aren't hurting in the cap space area, I can't see spending money on a vet who effectively gives you little 'bang for the buck'.
Quote:Yea sure let's get a no-name QB from a no-name University to be the 2nd in line to the most important position on the field. There's an idea! Not a good one, but an idea nonetheless.
Regards........................the Chiefjag
Ideas are like opinions, every one has one. :teehee:
Quote:Absolutely not. I can't take another young QB that needs "development". Give me a veteran who knows how to not lose games aka not chad henne. Wait until Bortles "gets it" before we go with another developmental QB.
I got your drift, but my idea isn't to bring in a 'developmental' quarterback. I'm suggesting that the 'back-up' be a non-competitor for the starting job. Their sole function is to come in and, essentially, take snaps if Bortles goes down. This person I'm suggesting would be similar to Chad Henne.... just less expensive. If we could keep Chad for less money, that would be fine. But for the money he was offered to stick around here.... I think we could find a suitable fit for less.