Quote:We could really use a veteran backup for Blake.
There has to be one available that's better then Henne.
I don't know what Henne brings to the QB meetings or how much he really helps Bortles from the sidelines, but the only things I see positive about Henne is that he's pretty tough, as in he rarely gets hurt, and he's pretty inexpensive as a back up QB.
I have no confidence that he could come in and actually move the offense or win a game.
Hard to tell if Chad is really tough since he seldom puts his body in harms way; but then again, no quarterback should be putting their bod in harms way. However, I disagree about his costs; the man was given a fat contract to stay here. We don't happen to be in cap trouble so it isn't that big of issue. If we could keep Henne, but for less money, he would then be a real value as a backup.
Quote:Hard to tell if Chad is really tough since he seldom puts his body in harms way; but then again, no quarterback should be putting their bod in harms way. However, I disagree about his costs; the man was given a fat contract to stay here. We don't happen to be in cap trouble so it isn't that big of issue. If we could keep Henne, but for less money, he would then be a real value as a backup.
You guys that fret about what happens when the backup goes in and want Henne are what I don't get.
The guy is awful and a loser. If Bortles goes down the Jaguars are going to lose a lot of games.
That's just the reality of it.
Instead of worrying about how many games the Jaguars could win with a backup (and then somehow managing to come to the conclusion that there's any amount of comfort in seeing Henne ready to trot out and lose by 50) everyone would be better served to worry about how to keep Bortles healthy.
What is your definition of a "fat contract" because Henne's deal was in line with what you'd expect to pay a veteran backup Especially for a guy who knows your system, and the personnel.
I'm not sure why we'd want to ditch a veteran backup in favor of a completely unproven rookie, especially to your point that it would cost less. This team isn't having issues with the cap, so the cost is completely irrelevant.
As far as finding a better veteran option than Henne, that's fine. If there's one out there, sign him. Expect to pay.
Quote:Yea sure let's get a no-name QB from a no-name University to be the 2nd in line to the most important position on the field. There's an idea! Not a good one, but an idea nonetheless.
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I think we would really have to go some to do significantly worse than what we've experience with Chad, Chief. We've set a franchise record for '3-n-out's' with Chad in there... I nevertheless would keep Chad if he were willing to play for less.
Quote:I think we would really have to go some to do significantly worse than what we've experience with Chad, Chief. We've set a franchise record for '3-n-out's' with Chad in there... I nevertheless would keep Chad if he were willing to play for less.
You can actually do worse than Henne. Do you remember watching guys like Mike Kafka?
Quote:What is your definition of a "fat contract" because Henne's deal was in line with what you'd expect to pay a veteran backup Especially for a guy who knows your system, and the personnel.
I'm not sure why we'd want to ditch a veteran backup in favor of a completely unproven rookie, especially to your point that it would cost less. This team isn't having issues with the cap, so the cost is completely irrelevant.
As far as finding a better veteran option than Henne, that's fine. If there's one out there, sign him. Expect to pay.
My point is that a rookie could do what our veteran backup does... for less. Just because Chad knows the play book is really irrelevant since he doesn't have the raw athleticism to capitalize on his knowledge. I do think that he is fine
as a backup... I just think that almost any quarterback could bring what Chad brings to the table as a backup. Why pay more? The implication from previous articles about Henne is that he got a rather substantial amount to stay here.. not just the league average for a backup.
I think we should at some point try to spend a late draft pick on a guy we can develop and trade to some quarterback-needy team, like we did with Rob Johnson. I think your backup QB should serve two functions: able to go in and play if need be and also an investment you can turn into more draft picks.
Quote:I think we should at some point try to spend a late draft pick on a guy we can develop and trade to some quarterback-needy team, like we did with Rob Johnson.
That's probably something that will happen in the next few years, but it might not be this year.
The Jaguars still have a lot of building to do, and when you can get guys like McCray, Telvin Smith, or Bowanko in the later rounds then it makes sense to on this team.
Quote:My point is that a rookie could do what our veteran backup does... for less. Just because Chad knows the play book is really irrelevant since he doesn't have the raw athleticism to capitalize on his knowledge. I do think that he is fine as a backup... I just think that almost any quarterback could bring what Chad brings to the table as a backup. Why pay more? The implication from previous articles about Henne is that he got a rather substantial amount to stay here.. not just the league average for a backup.
Again, the "for less" thing is irrelevant. I'll take a veteran backup any day over a rookie.
You're not going to get similar capability from a rookie that you're drafting in the later rounds to what Henne or any legitimate veteran backup would bring to the table.
You're welcome to Google Henne's contract information, and you'll see that his $4 million average is pretty much boilerplate for a veteran backup QB.
Quote:I think we should at some point try to spend a late draft pick on a guy we can develop and trade to some quarterback-needy team, like we did with Rob Johnson. I think your backup QB should serve two functions: able to go in and play if need be and also an investment you can turn into more draft picks.
We got lucky with Rob Johnson. He also wasn't a late round draft pick. He was a 4th rounder. The fact that we got enough out of him to garner a first round pick is a miracle that rarely happens in the NFL. I'm more concerned about making sure they continue to develop our starter than I am about another rookie we intend to use as trade bait down the road.
Quote:My point is that a rookie could do what our veteran backup does... for less. Just because Chad knows the play book is really irrelevant since he doesn't have the raw athleticism to capitalize on his knowledge. I do think that he is fine as a backup... I just think that almost any quarterback could bring what Chad brings to the table as a backup. Why pay more? The implication from previous articles about Henne is that he got a rather substantial amount to stay here.. not just the league average for a backup.
His salary is comparable to guys like Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Moore.
Quote:Blake Bortles is getting sacked... a lot. He is a mobile quarterback who uses his legs to keep plays alive. He nevertheless gets sacked way too often. Sometimes it's his fault too; but more often than not, it's because of our perpetually weak offensive line. We haven't had a really strong offensive line since back in the days of Tony Boselli.
So it would be nice if Bortles had that kind of help around him. He obviously doens't at this time, especially when it comes to blockers. The probability is that if Blake continues to get pounded, he's gonna get hurt and have to go out of the game. Given the other more pressing needs the team has right now, a better backup quarterback option is to get a cheaper one than Chad.
In fact, if we really view Blake as our 'franchise quarterback' for the foreseeable future, then why not get a very low round quarterback from no name university, and pay him league minimum. If he does have to come in, we wouldn't hardly be worse off than we have been with a more expensive Chad Henne. The probability is that he will spend the bulk of his time on the sideline, so why pay more for an 'experienced' side line cowboy?
Chad has brought virtually nothing to the game to help the team beyond being a body out there to take the snap and hand the ball off. He is not a down field threat nor a threat to run. He is a game manager, which is a nice euphemism for someone to take the snap and hand the ball off. We could get someone younger (and potentially faster as a result) who would cost us a lot less than Chad. You don't need a veteran for a backup unless he's former 'world class' stuff who can help train your new rookie franchise quarterback. Chad isn't.
I don't know what kind of contract Chad has, but at the end of it I would part ways with Chad and get a kid for a backup. Chad is a known quantity as a quarterback and challenges no one. He had a shot as the starter and lost the job to a rookie. That says it all. Lets get someone way less expensive and replace him when we get the chance.
No chance. Chad Henne isn't physically gifted the fact he is still in the league after all this time
Speaks volumes about how much he studies the play book and contributes in the background, I quite like him having h around with our young qb.
Quote:I think we should at some point try to spend a late draft pick on a guy we can develop and trade to some quarterback-needy team, like we did with Rob Johnson. I think your backup QB should serve two functions: able to go in and play if need be and also an investment you can turn into more draft picks.
The dream backup scenerio: one that is able to go in and play(effectively run the offense) if needed AND also be an investment that can turn into more draft picks.
Now that's a teams dream, as long as they already have their long-term starter.
I remember trading away Rob Johnson for the pick that turned into Fred Taylor.
Have the Jags ever been able to trade away another backup QB for a high draft pick? None come to my mind.
I mean a high draft pick, so please no mention of Gabby, even if you think a 6th rd pick was a HIGH pick for him.
Quote:Have the Jags ever been able to trade away another backup QB for a high draft pick? None come to my mind.
Brunell for a third.
Yes, he was the backup when traded.
Quote:Brunell for a third.
Yes, he was the backup when traded.
I completely forgot about that. We traded Brunell to the Redskins for a 3rd. Thanks, nice memory.
Anyone remember who we got for the Brunell pick?
Anymore or was Brunell and Rob Johnson it?
Quote:Anyone remember who we got for the Brunell pick?
Pretty sure we traded the pick, but I can't remember for what.
Quote:I completely forgot about that. We traded Brunell to the Redskins for a 3rd. Thanks, nice memory.
Anyone remember who we got for the Brunell pick?
Anymore or was Brunell and Rob Johnson it?
How many more do there need to be? The Jaguars went from Leftwich all the way to Gabbert without drafting a QB.
Quote:How many more do there need to be? The Jaguars went from Leftwich all the way to Gabbert without drafting a QB.
lol, heck I couldn't even remember any other then the Rob Johnson trade.
The Jags have had a hard time finding a good starting QB, the backup QBs have pretty much been 1 disaster after another and NOT trade worthy in any way, shape or form.
Also, the QB is the most important position on the team.
The fact that the Jags went from Leftwich to Gabbert without drafting a QB says a lot about that regime.
That was beyond ridiculous to go that long without drafting the most important position on the field, even if for nothing more then possibly trying to work out a future trade.
I guess that's one way to avoid a QB controversy.