Jacksonville Jaguars Fan Forums

Quote:You're trying to find a solution to a problem that has no solution.

 

There is no solution to poverty, there is no fixing poor. No law, no regulation, no social contract is ever going to fix poverty and low paying jobs.

 

There are plenty of solutions. They're just not ones you'd find acceptable.

Quote:There are plenty of solutions. They're just not ones you'd find acceptable.

 

Try me, give me a solution to poverty.

Quote:Try me, give me a solution to poverty.

 

Executive Order declaring that poverty no longer exists. :thumbsup:

Quote:Try me, give me a solution to poverty.

 

I've been over them on this section of the board repeatedly.

 

Go back and read some of my other posts on the economy if you still need refreshing.

Quote:I've been over them on this section of the board repeatedly.

 

Go back and read some of my other posts on the economy if you still need refreshing.

 

You've never given a solution to poverty, we've debated different aspects of the economy but don't shy away from your comment now. You said there are plenty of solutions to poverty just not any I would find acceptable. So let's have it, what are the solutions to poverty smart guy?

Quote:Try me, give me a solution to poverty.

 

Truthfully, if you want poverty to cease to exist in the USA you simple expand the measurement of poverty to the global scale rather than the country scale. That shifts the "impoverished" in America about 50% toward the "Filthy Rich" penultimate.

Quote:Truthfully, if you want poverty to cease to exist in the USA you simple expand the measurement of poverty to the global scale rather than the country scale. That shifts the "impoverished" in America about 50% toward the "Filthy Rich" penultimate.

 

Nah, capitalism leaves you with the haves and haves not. Just ask the Chinese and Russia how well redistribution works, it makes everyone equal. I mean who doesn't think Venezuela's got a good thing going on?

Quote:You've never given a solution to poverty, we've debated different aspects of the economy but don't shy away from your comment now. You said there are plenty of solutions to poverty just not any I would find acceptable. So let's have it, what are the solutions to poverty smart guy?

 

The solution is multifaceted. You need free trade revocation, significantly higher upper marginal tax rates (along with categorizing all forms of income, no matter what method they are acquired through, as standard fully taxable income) and revocation of a few key labor laws such as the Taft-Hartley act. Coupling those with a more robust social welfare system that acted as an incentive to pay people a living wage in order to entice them into working and immigration reform that stopped the funnel of wage depressing labor force expanding illegals and you take care of poverty pretty well.

Quote:Robots are not replacing skilled work their replacing assembly lines and cashiers. It wouldn't be an issue without unions and government demanding the low skilled work be paid higher skilled wages.

Yes, replacing cashiers and assembly workers.  Who you know... make money, and go out and spend.

 

Darn those low skilled workers wanting to support their families.  How greedy can they get?  They should work 80 hours a week if they want to have a family and pay off their house!  Think of the poor CEO' when he has to tell his daughter that she can only have the Porsche or the trip to ibiza, but not both!

Quote:Yes, replacing cashiers and assembly workers.  Who you know... make money, and go out and spend.

 

Darn those low skilled workers wanting to support their families.  How greedy can they get?  They should work 80 hours a week if they want to have a family and pay off their house!  Think of the poor CEO' when he has to tell his daughter that she can only have the Porsche or the trip to ibiza, but not both!

 

Class warfare doesn't work. All jobs are not created equal, does it suck that you could once make a living in a factory and now you can't damn straight. Does it mean that's the fault of the CEO? That's to easy.

 

It's supply and demand, when the wages demanded out grew the benefit it's natural for employers to find alternatives. That cost reduction is why you have such low cost on the consumer end but it's easy to demonize the company making that possible.

 

Bottom line without the unions and heavy regulated market employers wouldn't be seeking alternatives as aggressively.

 

We are each responsible for our own, some will fail that's the cycle of life.

Quote:Sure but you're naive if you don't think the push for $15 minimum wage to remedial work isn't accelerating the process. These machines are not cheap and without cost, but when you factor in the higher labor cost (higher then the employers value of the task) added to the cost of providing fringe benefits (thanks to obamacare) it's a no brainier to eliminate as much of their workforce as possible.

 

Ummm, no.  Unfortunately most people don't do a lot of research and we are seeing this thing picked up as if they just started testing them.  It takes a long time to get something like this up and running.  http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/12/busine...ystem.html.  Yeah, that isn't a typo.  Started testing in 1999.

Quote:Ummm, no.  Unfortunately most people don't do a lot of research and we are seeing this thing picked up as if they just started testing them.  It takes a long time to get something like this up and running.  http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/12/busine...ystem.html.  Yeah, that isn't a typo.  Started testing in 1999.

 

Yes the technology was being tested, heck it was in the early 2000's you had the first fully automated McDonald's I think in Japan or China? Anyways, the replacement of remedial labor by machines has been happening since the days of cotton. It's natural, but when you start adding in the demand of high wages for low skill jobs it's going to accelerate the process. Crying about the low skill not making enough is like screaming at farmers for using tractors instead of hiring workers to pick the fields.

 

The problem is you have a sector that can only perform low skill to no skill labor as a means of income, not that they make so little. Of course those jobs are low paying, of course you can't provide for a family, of course they're replace by technology!

 

The solution is taking low skilled workers and teaching them a skill or craft, not bellyaching they don't make enough flipping burgers, or demonizing the restaurant owner that replaced them with a machine programed to ask "would you like fries with that?".

Quote:Yes the technology was being tested, heck it was in the early 2000's you had the first fully automated McDonald's I think in Japan or China? Anyways, the replacement of remedial labor by machines has been happening since the days of cotton. It's natural, but when you start adding in the demand of high wages for low skill jobs it's going to accelerate the process. Crying about the low skill not making enough is like screaming at farmers for using tractors instead of hiring workers to pick the fields.

 

The problem is you have a sector that can only perform low skill to no skill labor as a means of income, not that they make so little. Of course those jobs are low paying, of course you can't provide for a family, of course they're replace by technology!

 

The solution is taking low skilled workers and teaching them a skill or craft, not bellyaching they don't make enough flipping burgers, or demonizing the restaurant owner that replaced them with a machine programed to ask "would you like fries with that?".

 

They were accelerating the use of them in I believe in either 2007 or 2009.  

 

Whether raising wages accelerates it or not is up for debate.  It is inevitable though and maybe accelerating it is a good thing.  The quicker you can pull off the band-aid the better.  Technology is a coming and every year it is coming fast and faster and faster.  We humans are going to have to learn to adapt quicker and quicker or be left behind.  I agree with the bellyaching as I think complaining does not solve the problem.  We know people will be replaced by machines.  Do we whine about it or do we adapt?  I'll adapt.

Quote:Class warfare doesn't work. All jobs are not created equal, does it suck that you could once make a living in a factory and now you can't damn straight. Does it mean that's the fault of the CEO? That's to easy.

 

It's supply and demand, when the wages demanded out grew the benefit it's natural for employers to find alternatives. That cost reduction is why you have such low cost on the consumer end but it's easy to demonize the company making that possible.

 

Bottom line without the unions and heavy regulated market employers wouldn't be seeking alternatives as aggressively.

 

We are each responsible for our own, some will fail that's the cycle of life.

 

And demand will decrease when people lose their jobs to Robots, and aren't buying stuff anymore.  Because you know... when you don't have money, you can't spend it. And when they don't spend, the people who usually get their money are having their profits dropped too. 

 

Don't think it's just limited to unskilled workers either!  skilled workers will soon be replaced by Robots as well.  Because it's cheaper for companies to pay a robot who doesn't sleep, take sick days, and everything else, than it will be to pay a person to do the same job in thrice the time.


Your solution sounds so simple.  Just train them in a skill!  Phew.  That's easy enough.  Now if only we didn't already have a problem of there not being enough jobs for skilled workers already   (And again, before long those skilled jobs will be filled by Robots too!)


Eventually we'll get to the point where nobody works, because everybody instead gets a government allotment to spend every month.  Because there will be no jobs.  The Robots will have taken most of them.  That will in turn create a very lazy society.  

Quote:And demand will decrease when people lose their jobs to Robots, and aren't buying stuff anymore.  Because you know... when you don't have money, you can't spend it. And when they don't spend, the people who usually get their money are having their profits dropped too. 

 

Don't think it's just limited to unskilled workers either!  skilled workers will soon be replaced by Robots as well.  Because it's cheaper for companies to pay a robot who doesn't sleep, take sick days, and everything else, than it will be to pay a person to do the same job in thrice the time.


Your solution sounds so simple.  Just train them in a skill!  Phew.  That's easy enough.  Now if only we didn't already have a problem of there not being enough jobs for skilled workers already   (And again, before long those skilled jobs will be filled by Robots too!)


Eventually we'll get to the point where nobody works, because everybody instead gets a government allotment to spend every month.  Because there will be no jobs.  The Robots will have taken most of them.  That will in turn create a very lazy society.  

 

There's a severe shortage in many fields, problem is the people that are unemployed or stuck in low wage positions are not qualified to work in those fields. That's part of the solution right there, getting those people trained to meet the areas we do have a need of workers.

 

By your logic we should have resisted the industrial revolution, the internet, and robotics research all together. Technology is inevitable, as it advances it will replace general labor where it can, when you create an environment where the employers are forced by law to pay more it only makes that march towards technological labor easier. 

 

Remember, government creates nothing, sells nothing and produces nothing, so there will never be a point that we all sit around and wait for our allowance from big brother while the machines do the work. Government only distributes what it first confiscates. 

Quote:There's a severe shortage in many fields, problem is the people that are unemployed or stuck in low wage positions are not qualified to work in those fields. That's part of the solution right there, getting those people trained to meet the areas we do have a need of workers.

 

By your logic we should have resisted the industrial revolution, the internet, and robotics research all together. Technology is inevitable, as it advances it will replace general labor where it can, when you create an environment where the employers are forced by law to pay more it only makes that march towards technological labor easier. 

 

Remember, government creates nothing, sells nothing and produces nothing, so there will never be a point that we all sit around and wait for our allowance from big brother while the machines do the work. Government only distributes what it first confiscates. 

 

Quote:


g]

This. This is much cheaper than paying people an absurd amount of money to push buttons on a cash register. These fast food minimum wage jobs are for people to start out at. Not make a career out of it. The intent is to start out them work you're way up to a career.


My first job was at Publix bagging groceries when I was 16. I was making 5.25 an hour. I didn't expect anything more because I had no prior experience or an education. Now after setting goals and working hard, I have a dream job. No one gave it to me, I earned it.

Quote:This. This is much cheaper than paying people an absurd amount of money to push buttons on a cash register. These fast food minimum wage jobs are for people to start out at. Not make a career out of it. The intent is to start out them work you're way up to a career.


My first job was at Publix bagging groceries when I was 16. I was making 5.25 an hour. I didn't expect anything more because I had no prior experience or an education. Now after setting goals and working hard, I have a dream job. No one gave it to me, I earned it.

 

Quote:

Lol. That's your response? If you hold a fast food job, I'm sorry. I don't know you're current situation. Don't give up on the American dream.

Quote:Lol. That's your response? If you hold a fast food job, I'm sorry. I don't know you're current situation. Don't give up on the American dream.

 

CSO, you're simply not on an intellectual level that enables you to have a useful exchange with me.

 

The picture is simply meant to encapsulate the spirit of your insular lack of understanding when it comes to society and privilege, and what it means to not have privilege in society.