Quote:I too remember this interview. Being that there's no relegations in NFL football, Mr. Khan will be less likely to interject on firing anyone w/reaspect to our Jaguars this early in the process...
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He gave the keys to Caldwell...It's Dave's show to run without interference from Mr Kahn, but Mr Khan will fire Caldwell if he doesn't think things are working well and start all over
Wayne Weaver fired Del Rio, it's not always the GM who fires the coach.
Regards.................the Chiefjag
Agreed...
See my today's posting @ 8:27 p.m.
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Quote:Wayne Weaver fired Del Rio, it's not always the GM who fires the coach.
Regards.................the Chiefjag
Yes he did but it was only because he, Wayne Weaver extended Smith's contract prior to selling the team. Weaver expectet Mr. Khan to retain GM Smith...
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I don't think that's correct. I think Wayne fired Jack long about the 10th or 12th game but gave Gene an extension at the end of the season. Jack was fired the Monday after we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
Nonetheless, he fired Jack, Gene stayed on. Nothing happens in the front office without the blessing or instruction from the owner.
Regards....................the Chiefjag
Quote:The Offense has been horrific at times this year with different players, but the saying is players not plays... is the team void of talent on offense or is Fisch just the worst OC ever for the Jaguars?
I've watched the play calling over the last two years, and I've seen some fantastic play calling and some really stupid ones...
I cant tell if Fisch is trying to get the most out of what he's got or if Fisch is just way over his head.
Void of talent?-----YES
Worst Cood---------YES
The title of this thread could be read and interpreted in 2 distinct ways.
The way the OP wrote it: Gus is not getting fired.
The way I initially read it: Gus won't be leading this team to any more wins. :teehee:
Couple things: Alot of had coaches shuffle their staff. I looked up the cowboys, Garret replaced his OC after his first year. It didn't ruin the 'boys. Matter of fact, once you realize a scheme or a coach isn't working out, you don't keep them. You look for others that will do the job better.
Also, the defense that firing fish will ruin continuity of our QB and other rookies is a hypothetical. We don't know for sure that will be the case. In addition, an objective fan could also argue keeping an inept coaching staff around that has a offensive philosophy that is not successfull will also ruin the rookies on the offense.
Let's see how the game goes today. Here's hoping fish has figured out how to best attack the Giant's defense.
Quote:The title of this thread could be read and interpreted in 2 distinct ways.
The way the OP wrote it: Gus is not getting fired.
The way I initially read it: Gus won't be leading this team to any more wins. :teehee:
Couple things: Alot of had coaches shuffle their staff. I looked up the cowboys, Garret replaced his OC after his first year. It didn't ruin the 'boys. Matter of fact, once you realize a scheme or a coach isn't working out, you don't keep them. You look for others that will do the job better.
Also, the defense that firing fish will ruin continuity of our QB and other rookies is a hypothetical. We don't know for sure that will be the case. In addition, an objective fan could also argue keeping an inept coaching staff around that has a offensive philosophy that is not successfull will also ruin the rookies on the offense.
Let's see how the game goes today. Here's hoping fish has figured out how to best attack the Giant's defense.
The cowboys were a veteran team with a QB that had been in the league for a decade.
The jags and the cowboys were light years apart when that change was made. A veteran crew not getting things done is a good sign a coaching shake up needs to be done. An offense with 6 rookies starting that struggles, more than likely the OC isn't the guy you need to go after.
People want someone's head to roll. Unfortunately, you can't fire father time.
Quote:The title of this thread could be read and interpreted in 2 distinct ways.
The way the OP wrote it: Gus is not getting fired.
The way I initially read it: Gus won't be leading this team to any more wins. :teehee:
Couple things: Alot of had coaches shuffle their staff. I looked up the cowboys, Garret replaced his OC after his first year. It didn't ruin the 'boys. Matter of fact, once you realize a scheme or a coach isn't working out, you don't keep them. You look for others that will do the job better.
Also, the defense that firing fish will ruin continuity of our QB and other rookies is a hypothetical. We don't know for sure that will be the case. In addition, an objective fan could also argue keeping an inept coaching staff around that has a offensive philosophy that is not successfull will also ruin the rookies on the offense.
Let's see how the game goes today. Here's hoping fish has figured out how to best attack the Giant's defense.
Del rio played musical chairs with his coordinators every single offseason. There was always a fall guy. No, the way to do it right is to stick to the plan and bring them all back save for the special teams coach.
Quote:The cowboys were a veteran team with a QB that had been in the league for a decade.
The jags and the cowboys were light years apart when that change was made. A veteran crew not getting things done is a good sign a coaching shake up needs to be done. An offense with 6 rookies starting that struggles, more than likely the OC isn't the guy you need to go after.
People want someone's head to roll. Unfortunately, you can't fire father time.
Sorry, I'm not buying the rookie excuse to explain away the play calling and offensive philosophy. Yes rookies will make mistakes. But they are not the ones that game plan and call the plays.
It can be argued, and I would argue it, that the rookies are a great crutch for allowing the OC to keep his job. Last year fish was the OC. With no rookies. The play calling and philosophy was pretty much the same. Run heavy on first and 2nd down, throw mid range behind the sticks and run the bubble screen like it's going out of style. This isn't a rookie issue that we are seeing, this is a coaching issue.
Yes, rookies need time to develop, but that's not the discussion here.
Quote:Del rio played musical chairs with his coordinators every single offseason. There was always a fall guy. No, the way to do it right is to stick to the plan and bring them all back save for the special teams coach.
Del Rio also had us competitive year in and year out. It was argued the main issue was that Garrard could not get us over the hump. Instead we blew up the entire team instead of trying to re-load piece by piece and find the right QB.
Quote:Del Rio also had us competitive year in and year out. It was argued the main issue was that Garrard could not get us over the hump. Instead we blew up the entire team instead of trying to re-load piece by piece and find the right QB.
Still haunting us till this day
Quote:Del rio played musical chairs with his coordinators every single offseason. There was always a fall guy. No, the way to do it right is to stick to the plan and bring them all back save for the special teams coach.
What record do you see this current staff being able to achieve next season, based on these first two seasons?
Quote:Sorry, I'm not buying the rookie excuse to explain away the play calling and offensive philosophy. Yes rookies will make mistakes. But they are not the ones that game plan and call the plays.
It can be argued, and I would argue it, that the rookies are a great crutch for allowing the OC to keep his job. Last year fish was the OC. With no rookies. The play calling and philosophy was pretty much the same. Run heavy on first and 2nd down, throw mid range behind the sticks and run the bubble screen like it's going out of style. This isn't a rookie issue that we are seeing, this is a coaching issue.
Yes, rookies need time to develop, but that's not the discussion here.
They aren't the ones making the game plans but they are the ones the game plan has to be specially tailored around.
What was Fisch supposed to do last year? He had Gabbert and Henne throwing the ball behind a failing line that would be completely overhauled in the off season.
You really don't think that had a major impact? Come on. You act like he was working with Romo with a pro bowl RB, T, WR, and TE.
Talent and experience has a direct impact on what you can do and how well it can be executed. Acting like this doesn't matter is just silly.
Quote:They aren't the ones making the game plans but they are the ones the game plan has to be specially tailored around.
What was Fisch supposed to do last year? He had Gabbert and Henne throwing the ball behind a failing line that would be completely overhauled in the off season.
You really don't think that had a major impact? Come on. You act like he was working with Romo with a pro bowl RB, T, WR, and TE.
Talent and experience has a direct impact on what you can do and how well it can be executed. Acting like this doesn't matter is just silly.
Come on man, it's not like I'm ignoring the issues. I believe I stated that I can understand the fact that rookies are going to be learning on the fly and are prone to mistakes. If not, let me re-state it. Yes, we have youth all over the place. But it's not like these rookies are devoid of talent. But it seems the coaches, at least in my perspective, are not capable of utilizing it.
To give them a pass because of the rookies I think is a false narrative. By now, the coaches should understand how best to utilize them. We're not seeing that. At least not yet.
I'm still holding out hope that we see better planning. Let's see how we do against the giants.
Quote:Come on man, it's not like I'm ignoring the issues. I believe I stated that I can understand the fact that rookies are going to be learning on the fly and are prone to mistakes. If not, let me re-state it. Yes, we have youth all over the place. But it's not like these rookies are devoid of talent. But it seems the coaches, at least in my perspective, are not capable of utilizing it.
To give them a pass because of the rookies I think is a false narrative. By now, the coaches should understand how best to utilize them. We're not seeing that. At least not yet.
I'm still holding out hope that we see better planning. Let's see how we do against the giants.
If rookies were easy to utilize to be effective, they would be the only players in this league because they are cheap.
There is a reason why veterans get huge contracts and rookies get put on a pay scale because their talent rarely translates on to the field in any significant manner.
You can't ignore that fact and claim that a good coach would have these players playing at a level where they could be expected to beat talented veteran squads.
Rookies struggling is a trend league wide and throughout the history of the NFL. You can't marginalize that. Every team in the NFL wishes they could marginalize that.
It's a fallacy to say that someone else would do a better job at coaching up a starting line up full of this many rookies and second year players because there are no comparables. You can't name a single team that has fielded this much inexperience much less one that has done it with any amount of success.
Quote:If rookies were easy to utilize to be effective, they would be the only players in this league because they are cheap.
There is a reason why veterans get huge contracts and rookies get put on a pay scale because their talent rarely translates on to the field in any significant manner.
You can't ignore that fact and claim that a good coach would have these players playing at a level where they could be expected to beat talented veteran squads.
Rookies struggling is a trend league wide and throughout the history of the NFL. You can't marginalize that. Every team in the NFL wishes they could marginalize that.
It's a fallacy to say that someone else would do a better job at coaching up a starting line up full of this many rookies and second year players because there are no comparables. You can't name a single team that has fielded this much inexperience much less one that has done it with any amount of success.
I can understand what you're saying. But alot of it, I just don't agree with. I think there are plenty of offensive game plans that other coaches could have come up with to allow us to have won more than 1 game.
The fact that this team has only had 2 games of 20 points and the rest of our games were 18 points or less on offense is an indictment of a lack of coaching. You can only use the "rookie" defense so much before it falls apart.
Again, rookies make mistakes, may be out of position here and there. But the fact that it is near impossible for us now to score 20 points in so many games is (to me) a clear indication that our offensive game planning is inept.
Heck, even the raiders have scored 23 or more points in 3 games. (we've only done it twice).
Quote:I can understand what you're saying. But alot of it, I just don't agree with. I think there are plenty of offensive game plans that other coaches could have come up with to allow us to have won more than 1 game.
The fact that this team has only had 2 games of 20 points and the rest of our games were 18 points or less on offense is an indictment of a lack of coaching. You can only use the "rookie" defense so much before it falls apart.
Again, rookies make mistakes, may be out of position here and there. But the fact that it is near impossible for us now to score 20 points in so many games is (to me) a clear indication that our offensive game planning is inept.
Heck, even the raiders have scored 23 or more points in 3 games. (we've only done it twice).
The raiders aren't starting up to 6 rookies on offense either. It's a major handicap.
If it were easy to be successful that way all teams would do it.
Being down 18 points at half and still winning the game guarantees another year for Gus alone.
Quote:Being down 18 points at half and still winning the game guarantees another year for Gus alone.
I know, but one half of football shouldn't put the rest of the season on the back burner.