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oh, wait,,,,

Winning 4 of 5 last year didn't seem to do much for the team this year.

Quote:Winning 4 of 5 last year didn't seem to do much for the team this year.

Point, but most of our offense wasn't there to learn from that experience either which has been the crux of our problem.

Quote:Keep doing what you're good at Jags......losing. The draft was intended to help the worst teams get better and we need to do that. We're also first in line for waiver wire releases up until the first game next year. At the beginning of the year when I wanted them to win they wouldn't so screw em now, continue doing you trash.

 

No, that is not what the draft was intended for. If it was, no playoff teams would get any picks. The draft order changes with trades, so often a perennial loser gets a late pick and a perennial winner gets an early pick. Therefore you have done nothing to show me why we need to lose at the end of the year.

Quote:Winning 4 of 5 last year didn't seem to do much for the team this year.

 

There is no reason to compare the two seasons like that except inability to understand doing so is comparing apples to oranges. The quarterback is different. Four fifths of the offensive line is different. Some wide receivers and running backs are different too. How can you say the four wins last year did not help players when we are not seeing the same players? If you want to make claims about four wins not helping a team, you better be able to name many veterans were we have an unusually high number of rookies.

Quote:With 5 games remaining at 1-10 which is more important to you?

As a fan after watching this horrible season yet again occur - 3 in a row of being one of the worst teams in the NFL you cant help but think lets lose out the rest in hopes of getting better players in the draft... more choices...

but players, coaches, administration in general they have to want to win.

Its why they play the game, its everything.

 

Once you start saying hey dont try so hard it doesnt matter that kind of mind set creeps in and will effect the team even starting of next season.  As much as it stinks to have watched the team been so bad all year only to win games that other teams

are trying to win, you still want your favorite team to win.  You want your favorite team to develop and improve something to be hopeful for next year.

Intentionally losing is for losers.

 

Regards......................the Chiefjag

Quote:Winning 4 of 5 last year didn't seem to do much for the team this year.

 

We ended the season on a 3 game losing streak.

http://youtu.be/W42iiCcFbxE

Quote:No, that is not what the draft was intended for. If it was, no playoff teams would get any picks. The draft order changes with trades, so often a perennial loser gets a late pick and a perennial winner gets an early pick. Therefore you have done nothing to show me why we need to lose at the end of the year.

 

That is EXACTLY why the draft is structured the way it is, to help the worst team achieve parity.

Quote:What would be nice is to NOT be in this position year after year after year...

We've been in this situation practically since 2008.

Quote:"Tank for Teddy!!"


oh, wait,,,,

 

He was going first overall, you know.  No question about it.

Quote:That is EXACTLY why the draft is structured the way it is, to help the worst team achieve parity.

 

That means absolutely nothing when you see a playoff team trade the farm to a perennial loser, giving the sixth worst team the 27th pick. And when there are five teams with the same record, the order changes in every round, so the worst teams do not always have an early pick all three days.

 

You also have to remember one reason teams are bad every year is they have awful scouting departments. So while theoretically the best players should get picked first, they often are badly overrated and do not play up to expectations.

 

How can there ever be parity in the NFL when all of this is happening? It is obvious the NFL does not want parity when New England is allowed to trade for more picks every year and there is always a team with no first round picks.

Quote:That means absolutely nothing when you see a playoff team trade the farm to a perennial loser, giving the sixth worst team the 27th pick. And when there are five teams with the same record, the order changes in every round, so the worst teams do not always have an early pick all three days.

 

You also have to remember one reason teams are bad every year is they have awful scouting departments. So while theoretically the best players should get picked first, they often are badly overrated and do not play up to expectations.

 

How can there ever be parity in the NFL when all of this is happening? It is obvious the NFL does not want parity when New England is allowed to trade for more picks every year and there is always a team with no first round picks.

 

I can't even come up with a response to this, it's so far from reality that there's just no road back.

Regardless of how this season ends, next season needs to be atleast a 7 win season, otherwise this regime has failed.

The jaguars will do as they have done the last 4 years. Be really bad, but not bad enough to get that first pick. Jags will screw it up

Wait... can we like trade our draft picks for wins?


Like can we say "Hey... Giants.  Let us win this weekend, and we'll trade you a draft pick"

JW, the draft is indeed structured to permit the worst teams to get the higher picks so they have the OPPORTUNITY to get the best players. The NFL also permits them to trade draft picks if they choose, which is why some teams end up with more picks. Nonetheless, it's structured that way to help the worse teams get better, whether they get better or not is irrelevant to the league.

 

New England has shown everyone how to get on top and stay on top. That is, get a franchise QB then trade away a pro-bowl caliber player for draft picks. Guys like Ty Law, Deon Branch, Lawyer Milloy, Randy Moss, Laurence Maroney, Mike Vrabl, Richard Seymour, etc. Then they package picks together to move up to a place where they can get specific targets.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

The cogent argument is the same as always. If you aren't in contention then the correct answer is always the higher draft pick. The fewer players available to pick when we go on the clock the worse it is. That's just an infallible premise. Twisting the debate to introduce flawed/incomplete variables such as "momentum going into the next season" or "such and such % of top picks bust anyway" doesn't change from the logical truth that having more options to choose from is always going to be statistically advantageous to having fewer options. 

 

Of course, the team doesn't care about that right now since they are playing/coaching for their own livelihoods. And of course many of the fans (short for fanatics, remember) don't care about that right now either, because fanatics don't often place high in the logic department. 

 

Lastly, I am also not saying that come kickoff I am not going to be rooting as hard as possible for the Jags to win, because I too am a fan. I can just compartmentalize that and root for the win while also realizing that in actuality the short term good feelings that will come from the win are not truly the best outcome for the future of the franchise. 

Based on the contributions of pretty much every first round pick in this franchise's history,

I'll take a win.


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