Okay, I think we can safely say that the 'experiment' of selecting a rookie GM, a rookie HC, and rookie coordinators, to go with a team full of rookies, and then sweeping aside ALL of the veteran players save the now injured MLB has failed. I never liked the idea from the beginning, but held my breath, crossed my fingers, and prayed the 'football minds' knew better. When we let Monroe go, I winced...but, but, he was one of the only picks in the last ten years that wasn't terrible for one reason or another. Then Daryl Smith...all-time Jax leading tackler (I think). What, I thought?
Okay, so water under the bridge now.
So what can be done? What has been good, and is worth building on, and what needs to be upgraded.
I held my vote on the "Is Bradley the guy" question for a number of reasons, and I still think he has had a positive impact on the team, but I've seen enough. My first change would be to move him to DC at season's end. If he doesn't like it, he can go elsewhere. He simply hasn't gotten it done..
Fisch - gone. Right now. They can hire me if they want, I couldn't do any worse.
Caldwell - While he bears significant responsibility for this new mess we are in, I am enough thankful for some of the important improvements we have seen. How he handles our franchise-low 1-10 season, and what adjustments he makes from here will determine my ongoing view of him. He is in the most precarious spot of all. Will he realize his own rookie errors, and formulate a new franchise gameplan, or steadfastly, and perhaps blindly and stubbornly insist on 'staying the course'?
BB - I'm not putting much blame on him really. The O-line has been horrendous, and I've seen better playcalling in my backyard. We've got to get him away from Henne. Even so, I'd be willing to burn the pick on Jameis Winston (I think, I'm not a draft specialist) as insurance.
The D-line is the best we've ever had. THANK YOU FOR NOT QUITTING. And for giving me something to cheer for.
WE NEED EXPERIENCE. At HC, coordinators, and on the field. This to me is paramount.
We need FA signing(s). Building through the draft is fine, buttressed with marquis players.
Finally, can and ban FBT for more reasons than I can list.. sorry, I am just too sick of his bs.
Quote:Okay, I think we can safely say that the 'experiment' of selecting a rookie GM, a rookie HC, and rookie coordinators, to go with a team full of rookies, and then sweeping aside ALL of the veteran players save the now injured MLB has failed. I never liked the idea from the beginning, but held my breath, crossed my fingers, and prayed the 'football minds' knew better. When we let Monroe go, I winced...but, but, he was one of the only picks in the last ten years that wasn't terrible for one reason or another. Then Daryl Smith...all-time Jax leading tackler (I think). What, I thought?
Okay, so water under the bridge now.
So what can be done? What has been good, and is worth building on, and what needs to be upgraded.
I held my vote on the "Is Bradley the guy" question for a number of reasons, and I still think he has had a positive impact on the team, but I've seen enough. My first change would be to move him to DC at season's end. If he doesn't like it, he can go elsewhere. He simply hasn't gotten it done..
Fisch - gone. Right now. They can hire me if they want, I couldn't do any worse.
Caldwell - While he bears significant responsibility for this new mess we are in, I am enough thankful for some of the important improvements we have seen. How he handles our franchise-low 1-10 season, and what adjustments he makes from here will determine my ongoing view of him. He is in the most precarious spot of all. Will he realize his own rookie errors, and formulate a new franchise gameplan, or steadfastly, and perhaps blindly and stubbornly insist on 'staying the course'?
BB - I'm not putting much blame on him really. The O-line has been horrendous, and I've seen better playcalling in my backyard. We've got to get him away from Henne. Even so, I'd be willing to burn the pick on Jameis Winston (I think, I'm not a draft specialist) as insurance.
The D-line is the best we've ever had. THANK YOU FOR NOT QUITTING. And for giving me something to cheer for.
WE NEED EXPERIENCE. At HC, coordinators, and on the field. This to me is paramount.
We need FA signing(s). Building through the draft is fine, buttressed with marquis players.
Finally, can and ban FBT for more reasons than I can list.. sorry, I am just too sick of his [BAD WORD REMOVED].
Actually a decent read thanks...
I agree with you on most points except for Caldwell...I'm somewhat on the fence with him too but leaning more toward he isn't the guy. However, if he can learn from his mistakes as you say and get better than he may be good but I am not that hopeful.
Yes, we are young. I get that.
My major concern is if we are drafting the right guys or if the coaching staff just simply isn't doing their job. For the sake of the franchise, I truly HOPE it is just the coaching staff, which is a lot easier to change than the general manager.
My question to my fella message boarders is: What is the medium between "young" and bad coaching? If improvement isn't being made on an individual basis, are the guys just not as talented as we thought when they were drafted, or do our coaches just stink?
Discuss.
Our coaches stink...disregard the talent for this argument...
The gameplans are often terrible, ready for failure from the beginning with no Plan B.
Player development is very much lacking.
Bradley's in game management is often attrocious.
The mentality of the coaches is "not to lose" pansy versus "let's go kick from freakin A!"
The dline is playing well.
Blake is playing like a rookie on a bad offense. If people didn't think he was going to struggle then I don't know what to tell them.
Jedd Fisch plain sucks. He couldn't be the ocoordinator for Paxon High much less a NFL team.
Gus is whatever. Pretty disappointed in him to be honest. I like the guy a lot, but he isn't doing anything out there to show me he is even a mediocre coach.
Cyprien has really disappointed me. I defended him to the fullest before and at the beginning of the season. Right now I am just hoping for a huge leap in YR 3. Fingers crossed.
I still feel like Gratz isn't all that bad.
Oline stinks.
When the opposing teams blitzes they hit home almost every time. That is on coaching IMO. You have to know that when there is a rookie QB out there they are going to blitz. It is common sense for crying out loud.
Letting Daryl Smith go was stupid, most underrated player in the NFL and by far better than any player on our current team.
Quote:you wrote too much...
Try and resist adding absolutely nothing to this or any other thread. Just move on bro.
like you said, stroudcrowd, i know this team is loaded with young guys all over. lots of rookies.
but the improvement part is key. there just hasnt been really any improvement. this team is worse than it was last season with gabbert and henne and bortles is clearly more talented than either. i dont see most players taking any steps towards looking better and that in conjunction with the play calling leads me to believe that coaching is playing a big factor.
Quote:Yes, we are young. I get that.
My major concern is if we are drafting the right guys or if the coaching staff just simply isn't doing their job. For the sake of the franchise, I truly HOPE it is just the coaching staff, which is a lot easier to change than the general manager.
My question to my fella message boarders is: What is the medium between "young" and bad coaching? If improvement isn't being made on an individual basis, are the guys just not as talented as we thought when they were drafted, or do our coaches just stink?
Discuss.
It depends on what you mean by improvement? I'm a football purest so I personally feel you cannot grade a guy until his third year to properly say were he is. Any sooner and you may miss out. I remember Branch being a scrub in 2012, lucky in 2013 and now a missing integral piece in 2014. I see Dennard Robinson and Jockle playing better and more consistent.To me improvement is on a yearly basis not week to week.
To answer your coaching question, I would tend to lean towards youth as the problem. The reason being is that so many young guys are playing and the mistakes can start to compound on each other. The rookie linemen missing a block, with a rookie qb not suing the correct mechanics to throw the ball to a rookie wideout using bad technique to come out of a break on a ball that still ran the wrong route lol. I personally have never seen a reconstruction to this level. I do know 1 or 2 rookies can make a team play very poorly even when they have great established players so a team with 5-6 rookies on one side of the ball with no marque players will at time look awful.
Then the veteran players are no more than 4 years in themselves. Man lol. I see the potential and know enough time just hasn't passed to properly assess if it's working or not. I just know there is a process that hasn't played out and it would be wrong to judge it prior to it's completion.
Aside from a few coordinators needing to go...what was anyones realistic expectation? Not one member of the organization stated this was going to be a Superbowl year. There were no empty promises. Whether folks like it or not, it is a transisiton period. Caldwell has had two drafts. and is piecing together a team of the future, not now. Youth is going to bring a lack of consitentcy and what looks like regression. I'm as annoyed and disappointed as anyone, but time is needed. My only real issue is how the OC continues to baby the QB and offense in general. Go balls to the wall...what do you have to lose!
Quote:Yes, we are young. I get that.
My major concern is if we are drafting the right guys or if the coaching staff just simply isn't doing their job. For the sake of the franchise, I truly HOPE it is just the coaching staff, which is a lot easier to change than the general manager.
My question to my fella message boarders is: What is the medium between "young" and bad coaching? If improvement isn't being made on an individual basis, are the guys just not as talented as we thought when they were drafted, or do our coaches just stink?
Discuss.
Thats the key. It's one or the other. We don't have any impact players at all right now
Quote:Try and resist adding absolutely nothing to this or any other thread. Just move on bro.
Agreed their are some real children on this site. Good OP.
Quote:Thats the key. It's one or the other. We don't have any impact players at all right now
I was going to buy my wife a jersey for Christmas last year. I could not think of a player that would be here long. Well here it is another Christmas.....you guessed it.
No impact players.
Quote:Okay, I think we can safely say that the 'experiment' of selecting a rookie GM, a rookie HC, and rookie coordinators, to go with a team full of rookies, and then sweeping aside ALL of the veteran players save the now injured MLB has failed. I never liked the idea from the beginning, but held my breath, crossed my fingers, and prayed the 'football minds' knew better. When we let Monroe go, I winced...but, but, he was one of the only picks in the last ten years that wasn't terrible for one reason or another. Then Daryl Smith...all-time Jax leading tackler (I think). What, I thought?
Okay, so water under the bridge now.
So what can be done? What has been good, and is worth building on, and what needs to be upgraded.
I held my vote on the "Is Bradley the guy" question for a number of reasons, and I still think he has had a positive impact on the team, but I've seen enough. My first change would be to move him to DC at season's end. If he doesn't like it, he can go elsewhere. He simply hasn't gotten it done..
Fisch - gone. Right now. They can hire me if they want, I couldn't do any worse.
Caldwell - While he bears significant responsibility for this new mess we are in, I am enough thankful for some of the important improvements we have seen. How he handles our franchise-low 1-10 season, and what adjustments he makes from here will determine my ongoing view of him. He is in the most precarious spot of all. Will he realize his own rookie errors, and formulate a new franchise gameplan, or steadfastly, and perhaps blindly and stubbornly insist on 'staying the course'?
BB - I'm not putting much blame on him really. The O-line has been horrendous, and I've seen better playcalling in my backyard. We've got to get him away from Henne. Even so, I'd be willing to burn the pick on Jameis Winston (I think, I'm not a draft specialist) as insurance.
The D-line is the best we've ever had. THANK YOU FOR NOT QUITTING. And for giving me something to cheer for.
WE NEED EXPERIENCE. At HC, coordinators, and on the field. This to me is paramount.
We need FA signing(s). Building through the draft is fine, buttressed with marquis players.
Finally, can and ban FBT for more reasons than I can list.. sorry, I am just too sick of his [BAD WORD REMOVED].
Agree with everything in this post. Spot on with every point.
Does anyone honestly think this offense would be worse without Jedd Fisch?
If yes then I question if you saw the 2nd half of yesterday's game.
Quote:I was going to buy my wife a jersey for Christmas last year. I could not think of a player that would be here long. Well here it is another Christmas.....you guessed it.
No impact players.
Best bet is probably an Anger jersey.
Quote:Okay, I think we can safely say that the 'experiment' of selecting a rookie GM, a rookie HC, and rookie coordinators, to go with a team full of rookies, and then sweeping aside ALL of the veteran players save the now injured MLB has failed. I never liked the idea from the beginning, but held my breath, crossed my fingers, and prayed the 'football minds' knew better. When we let Monroe go, I winced...but, but, he was one of the only picks in the last ten years that wasn't terrible for one reason or another. Then Daryl Smith...all-time Jax leading tackler (I think). What, I thought?
Okay, so water under the bridge now.
So what can be done? What has been good, and is worth building on, and what needs to be upgraded.
I held my vote on the "Is Bradley the guy" question for a number of reasons, and I still think he has had a positive impact on the team, but I've seen enough. My first change would be to move him to DC at season's end. If he doesn't like it, he can go elsewhere. He simply hasn't gotten it done..
Fisch - gone. Right now. They can hire me if they want, I couldn't do any worse.
Caldwell - While he bears significant responsibility for this new mess we are in, I am enough thankful for some of the important improvements we have seen. How he handles our franchise-low 1-10 season, and what adjustments he makes from here will determine my ongoing view of him. He is in the most precarious spot of all. Will he realize his own rookie errors, and formulate a new franchise gameplan, or steadfastly, and perhaps blindly and stubbornly insist on 'staying the course'?
BB - I'm not putting much blame on him really. The O-line has been horrendous, and I've seen better playcalling in my backyard. We've got to get him away from Henne. Even so, I'd be willing to burn the pick on Jameis Winston (I think, I'm not a draft specialist) as insurance.
The D-line is the best we've ever had. THANK YOU FOR NOT QUITTING. And for giving me something to cheer for.
WE NEED EXPERIENCE. At HC, coordinators, and on the field. This to me is paramount.
We need FA signing(s). Building through the draft is fine, buttressed with marquis players.
Finally, can and ban FBT for more reasons than I can list.. sorry, I am just too sick of his [BAD WORD REMOVED].
I completely agree. If one works out trade the other, but I think we might have a straight up #1 pick worthy QB this year, and I think the Jags need that guy. Let the best man win, and if both play well, get what you can for the one you like less.
Quote:I completely agree. If one works out trade the other, but I think we might have a straight up #1 pick worthy QB this year, and I think the Jags need that guy. Let the best man win, and if both play well, get what you can for the one you like less.
If the jaguars draft jameis Winston, especially in the top 5, I will find a new team.
Quote:If the jaguars draft jameis Winston, especially in the top 5, I will find a new team.
I know I would be very upset as well, unless something career threatening happens to Bottles between now and the draft. If the Jags do decide to draft another qb, it better be no earlier than the 4th round. Honestly should be later but I also don't want to see Henne in a Jag uniform next season.
Back on topic: I am a Caldwell Supporter. He has been trying to fix holes throughout the team.
Fisch needs to go. There are others who would easily fill his shoes and stretch them. Hopefully we find someone who can turn them into clown shoes.