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Gus is figuring things out week to week, like the rest of the coaches.  They don't know what the hell they're doing.

Quote:Lol del rio motivated nobody. He developed nobody. Seriously, did anyone progress under him?

The team quit on him. He got fired before his last season was over.

Do you guys forget this?

If del rio had a 1 win team at this point in this team, we wouldn't be 2.5 dogs at home, we would be 14 point dogs at home because the team would have quit.

Del rio wasn't a head coach, he was a linebacker.

I hear ya... But... Del rio had us fighting for playoff spots with gene smith players that have been established as such hot garbage that most are not in the league. His team's talent was so bad that the new regime needed to get rid of almost everyone del rio had competing.

Quote:This is not true - at all.  

 

We have the 29th ranked D.  We're actually slightly better on O - ranked 27th.  

 

That should tell you what you need to know about team defense and offense rankings.  It's clear to everyone that the Defense is the strength of this team, though there's no denying there are still holes there to be filled.  The lack of quality QB play which leads to turnovers and 3 and outs is also putting the D in bad situations.  When the QB play gets better, the Defense ranking will actually get better as well.

Quote:That should tell you what you need to know about team defense and offense rankings.  It's clear to everyone that the Defense is the strength of this team, though there's no denying there are still holes there to be filled.  The lack of quality QB play which leads to turnovers and 3 and outs is also putting the D in bad situations.  When the QB play gets better, the Defense ranking will actually get better as well.

 

Yes, yards allowed is a totally inaccurate way to measure defensive ability.  Maybe we should look at points allowed (dead *** last).  The only positive stat on defense we have is sacks. 

 

The defense may be the strength of the team, but the team is the scrawny kid that can't lift 10 pounds.  Being the strength of a team like ours isn't really a compliment.  Oh yay...we don't suck as bad as the rest of the team!

Quote:Where are you now?

 

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Winning cures everything... just win baby...

Quote:Lol del rio motivated nobody. He developed nobody. Seriously, did anyone progress under him?

 

 

It's mainly the assistant coaches who develop and motivate players, but the HC chooses the assistants.


 

Here are some players who developed under Del Rio:


 

Pro Bowl quality:


 

Rashean Mathis


Vince Manuwai


Daryl Smith


 

Significant improvement while a Jag:


 

Byron Leftwich


David Garrard


Uche Nwaneri


Jeremy Mincey


Josh Scobee


Bobby McCray


Paul Spicer


Mike Sims-Walker


Greg Jones


 

Some improvement:


 

Reggie Williams


Matt Jones


Marcedes Lewis


Deon Grant


Mike Peterson

Brad Meester

Adam Podlesh

MJD

Ernest Wilford

 

Young players who declined:


 

Khalif Barnes


Reggie Nelson

Quote:It's mainly the assistant coaches who develop and motivate players, but the HC chooses the assistants.


 
Here are some players who developed under Del Rio:


 
Pro Bowl quality:


 
Rashean Mathis

Vince Manuwai

Daryl Smith


 
Significant improvement while a Jag:


 
Byron Leftwich

David Garrard

Uche Nwaneri

Jeremy Mincey

Josh Scobee

Bobby McCray

Paul Spicer

Mike Sims-Walker

Greg Jones


 
Some improvement:


 
Reggie Williams

Matt Jones

Marcedes Lewis

Deon Grant


Mike Peterson

Brad Meester

Adam Podlesh

MJD

Ernest Wilford

 
Young players who declined:


 
Khalif Barnes

Reggie Nelson

MJD should be under pro bowler

Quote:MJD should be under pro bowler

 

I considered that. He was very good from the start, so he didn't improve that much. I was trying to give Oface the benefit of the doubt on the listings.

Quote:I considered that. He was very good from the start, so he didn't improve that much. I was trying to give Oface the benefit of the doubt on the listings.

I don't agree with your list in the slightest. Maybe Greg jones. But that was moving him to fb to block for the best rb tandem in the league.


Leftwich certainly did not get better under del rio.

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3 of his 5 best games came his rookie year. He's wildly inconsistent the rest of his career. Thanks Jack.

I fire Jedd Fisch long before I fire Gus Bradley. A better offensive gameplan could go a long way for a team that has such strong defense despite our losing record

Quote:I fire Jedd Fisch long before I fire Gus Bradley. A better offensive gameplan could go a long way for a team that has such strong defense despite our losing record

 

You guys are just blind if you can't see that 90% of our problems on offense are due to poor offensive line play.  

Quote:You guys are just blind if you can't see that 90% of our problems on offense are due to poor offensive line play.

Poor WR play too, no one got open on Sunday. Blake consistently had nowhere to go with the ball. Our gameplan doesn't create space for our playmakers or use them to their strengths.


Austin Pasztor is our only lineman that is still performing as poorly as the rest of the line did earlier this year. Everyone else has improved,


however Fisch continually called runs on first and second down, didn't let Blake get into a rhythm, and put him in constant 3rd and longs when the other team obviously blitzes and the rookie has no time to think. That is not how you get a rookie QB comfortable in a game. Calling screens and dinky swing routes ONLY just because the kid threw an interception is not how you calm him down, if anything that makes him more agitated/lose more confidence because him throwing a pick means he isn't allowed to look downfield anymore. I know the turnovers have been rough but hiding Blake in a shell is the surest way for us to score only 3 points and lose.


It's not college. You don't win in the NFL off of gimmicky misdirection plays and throwing 3 yard passes and hoping for the defense to allow yards after the catch. He's literally coaching like it's the NCAA and like defenses are giving up holes all over the place. That is not the case in the NFL, you throw short passes all game those guys are GOOD at press coverage and they won't let you get a damn first down without challenging them downfield sometimes.

Quote:I don't agree with your list in the slightest. Maybe Greg jones. But that was moving him to fb to block for the best rb tandem in the league.


Leftwich certainly did not get better under del rio.

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3 of his 5 best games came his rookie year. He's wildly inconsistent the rest of his career. Thanks Jack.

 

Really? Spin much?


 

Two of those three games were mop up roles before he became a starter (and two of the other three were mop up's for Pittsburgh). His passer rating went from 73 to 82 to 89 in his first three years, and was improving in year 3 until his injury. He was never the same after his injury in 2005, but that's hardly a failure in development.


 

Your blanket disagreement says nothing. Don't you think Mathis improved? Mincey? Spicer? Garrard was terrible when JDR took over. One might argue that Reggie and Mattloaf were failures, but (again) it was not failure in development. They both had improved significantly before they were kicked off the team.

Quote:Poor WR play too, no one got open on Sunday. Blake consistently had nowhere to go with the ball. Our gameplan doesn't create space for our playmakers or use them to their strengths.


Austin Pasztor is our only lineman that is still performing as poorly as the rest of the line did earlier this year. Everyone else has improved,


however Fisch continually called runs on first and second down, didn't let Blake get into a rhythm, and put him in constant 3rd and longs when the other team obviously blitzes and the rookie has no time to think. That is not how you get a rookie QB comfortable in a game. Calling screens and dinky swing routes ONLY just because the kid threw an interception is not how you calm him down, if anything that makes him more agitated/lose more confidence because him throwing a pick means he isn't allowed to look downfield anymore. I know the turnovers have been rough but hiding Blake in a shell is the surest way for us to score only 3 points and lose.


It's not college. You don't win in the NFL off of gimmicky misdirection plays and throwing 3 yard passes and hoping for the defense to allow yards after the catch. He's literally coaching like it's the NCAA and like defenses are giving up holes all over the place. That is not the case in the NFL, you throw short passes all game those guys are GOOD at press coverage and they won't let you get a damn first down without challenging them downfield sometimes.

Good stuff. Keep posting. I agree with all that.

Quote:Really? Spin much?


Two of those three games were mop up roles before he became a starter (and two of the other three were mop up's for Pittsburgh). His passer rating went from 73 to 82 to 89 in his first three years, and was improving in year 3 until his injury. He was never the same after his injury in 2005, but that's hardly a failure in development.


Your blanket disagreement says nothing. Don't you think Mathis improved? Mincey? Spicer? Garrard was terrible when JDR took over. One might argue that Reggie and Mattloaf were failures, but (again) it was not failure in development. They both had improved significantly before they were kicked off the team.

Garrard was Garrard was Garrard. Don't give me that crap.

Quote:Garrard was Garrard was Garrard. Don't give me that crap.

Garrard improved significantly between 2006 and 2007 when position coach Shula worked with him.

 

Is it that you don't agree, or don't remember?

 

Also, if Del Rio was such an unpleasant person, why did Terrance Knighton, who performed so well on the Jags, jump at the chance to go to Denver and work for Jack again?

 

On topic- Bortles is playing terribly, and Henne is, surprisingly, a worse option.  I can't put that all on Gus's head.  The team has made a commitment to Blake, and we have to just take it until he gets better.  Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

 

Under Del Rio, the defense regressed from 2008 until he was fired.  It didn't get any better under Mularkey.  Though it's not translating into wins, the Jags defense is obviously playing much better under Bradley.  If someone has to go, the obvious choice is the OC.  Our defense spends so much time on the field due to offensive ineptitude that it's stats are being skewed.