I think Carr will end up fine. He had the most natural arm coming out, is athletic, a good leader, and has a good head on his shoulders. He lacks pocket presence, though. I don't think many QBs can make up for that deficiency but if he can he'll be a good one. I've always compared him to Matt Stafford, but I think he will be a little more accurate. If he gets a team around him, which I sincerely hope, then the Raiders will be in business.
Teddy will be ok, I think. His arm isn't the strongest, and (unlike Bortles whose improvement in footwork made his arm-strength very good) his footwork is spot-on so he won't progress much more physically. He's pretty much gone how I expected when I scouted him. I think that once he learns the game, he'll be a franchise QB but not necessarily an elite one. Similar to Alex Smith. He has a good defense, a stud WR and possibly AP if he returns, but his O-Line is atrocious.
I don't think Mett will last. He's got a strong arm and he's got guts, but he's a statue, and statue+injury history does not bode well. If he improves, maybe the Titans will stick with him, but if not... I see the Titans as a landing spot for Jameis/Mariota (or Cook if he comes out).
As for Johnny... I was all about him before the draft. I'm eating my crow, though. If he can't beat out Hoyer (or if Hoyer takes the team deep in the playoffs), wouldn't be surprised to see him traded to a QB-needy team outside the top five, possibly even the aforementioned Titans.
Quote:I think Carr will end up fine. He had the most natural arm coming out, is athletic, a good leader, and has a good head on his shoulders. He lacks pocket presence, though. I don't think many QBs can make up for that deficiency but if he can he'll be a good one. I've always compared him to Matt Stafford, but I think he will be a little more accurate. If he gets a team around him, which I sincerely hope, then the Raiders will be in business.
Teddy will be ok, I think. His arm isn't the strongest, and (unlike Bortles whose improvement in footwork made his arm-strength very good) his footwork is spot-on so he won't progress much more physically. He's pretty much gone how I expected when I scouted him. I think that once he learns the game, he'll be a franchise QB but not necessarily an elite one. Similar to Alex Smith. He has a good defense, a stud WR and possibly AP if he returns, but his O-Line is atrocious.
I don't think Mett will last. He's got a strong arm and he's got guts, but he's a statue, and statue+injury history does not bode well. If he improves, maybe the Titans will stick with him, but if not... I see the Titans as a landing spot for Jameis/Mariota (or Cook if he comes out).
As for Johnny... I was all about him before the draft. I'm eating my crow, though. If he can't beat out Hoyer (or if Hoyer takes the team deep in the playoffs), wouldn't be surprised to see him traded to a QB-needy team outside the top five, possibly even the aforementioned Titans.
Please send Johnny to the Titans of Texans. Would love to see them have more years of mediocrity.
Well if we are going to do ALL this comparing of Bortles to Luck and P. Manning, let's just get to the ULTIMATE comparison:
Super bowl rings.
P. Manning ---- 1
Luck ----- 0
Bortles ----0
How about comparing playoff records while we are at it:
P. Manning 11-12 (losing record)
Luck 1-2 (losing record)
Bortles Undefeated
P.S. Both Manning and Luck had dads who played QB in the NFL and were able to teach their sons football at a very early age. Bortles was not as fortunate as them.
Quote:Some here actually prefer Derek Carr and his 5.6 YPA :teehee:
Man, that's gabbert bad. lol.
Quote:I think Carr will end up fine. He had the most natural arm coming out, is athletic, a good leader, and has a good head on his shoulders. He lacks pocket presence, though. I don't think many QBs can make up for that deficiency but if he can he'll be a good one. I've always compared him to Matt Stafford, but I think he will be a little more accurate. If he gets a team around him, which I sincerely hope, then the Raiders will be in business.
Teddy will be ok, I think. His arm isn't the strongest, and (unlike Bortles whose improvement in footwork made his arm-strength very good) his footwork is spot-on so he won't progress much more physically. He's pretty much gone how I expected when I scouted him. I think that once he learns the game, he'll be a franchise QB but not necessarily an elite one. Similar to Alex Smith. He has a good defense, a stud WR and possibly AP if he returns, but his O-Line is atrocious.
I don't think Mett will last. He's got a strong arm and he's got guts, but he's a statue, and statue+injury history does not bode well. If he improves, maybe the Titans will stick with him, but if not... I see the Titans as a landing spot for Jameis/Mariota (or Cook if he comes out).
As for Johnny... I was all about him before the draft. I'm eating my crow, though. If he can't beat out Hoyer (or if Hoyer takes the team deep in the playoffs), wouldn't be surprised to see him traded to a QB-needy team outside the top five, possibly even the aforementioned Titans.
What's your analysis on bortles?
Quote:I think it's a bunch of homers in here.
You ain't kidding. Trying to get them to admit it is a different story.
Luck vs Bortles??
Man... Some of you are really reaching. Luck is the best QB prospect to come out since Elway and is currently a top 5 QB in his 3rd season. He took a 2-14 Colts team to 11-5 and the playoffs the very next season. If Luck was on the Jags, they certainly would not be 1-9... that's for sure.
Quote:Luck vs Bortles??
Man... Some of you are really reaching. Luck is the best QB prospect to come out since Elway and is currently a top 5 QB in his 3rd season. He took a 2-14 Colts team to 11-5 and the playoffs the very next season. If Luck was on the Jags, they certainly would not be 1-9... that's for sure.
Is Bortles Chad Henne to you?
Quote:What's your analysis on bortles?
Well, I didn't really scout him that much predraft. I watched his games and saw a guy with obvious physical ability, moxie, and skill, but he was extremely raw coming out... which I suppose lines up with what Caldwell thought. I was at the draft party when we took him and I was scared and disappointed.
As for how he is now, I was extremely surprised by his progress. His footwork has improved drastically and his arm strength shows that. He throws picks, but hey he's a rookie qb. What I love most about him are his pocket presence and confidence, because those are things you can't teach.
Honestly he was the definition of a potential based pick. He has everything you can't teach (arm strength, build, athleticism, confidence, pocket presence, it factor ) and is eager to learn what he needs (footwork, etc ). I didn't think he would play this year and it's not been perfect, but I think eventually he will be at least a Big Ben or Cutler level guy (borderline elite), though with his work ethic he could be much more.
Add in the fact that the entire offense outside of Zane Beadles are within two years of starting experience, and It's obvious there was gonna be struggles this year. While patience isn't popular, if we have some, our offense could legitimately be dominant in a few years.
Quote:Well, I didn't really scout him that much predraft. I watched his games and saw a guy with obvious physical ability, moxie, and skill, but he was extremely raw coming out... which I suppose lines up with what Caldwell thought. I was at the draft party when we took him and I was scared and disappointed.
As for how he is now, I was extremely surprised by his progress. His footwork has improved drastically and his arm strength shows that. He throws picks, but hey he's a rookie qb. What I love most about him are his pocket presence and confidence, because those are things you can't teach.
Honestly he was the definition of a potential based pick. He has everything you can't teach (arm strength, build, athleticism, confidence, pocket presence, it factor ) and is eager to learn what he needs (footwork, etc ). I didn't think he would play this year and it's not been perfect, but I think eventually he will be at least a Big Ben or Cutler level guy (borderline elite), though with his work ethic he could be much more.
Add in the fact that the entire offense outside of Zane Beadles are within two years of starting experience, and It's obvious there was gonna be struggles this year. While patience isn't popular, if we have some, our offense could legitimately be dominant in a few years.
Do you believe in our current coaching staff to take BB where he needs to be?
This will be very shocking.......
I only want to compare Bortles to Bortles. Even when we play the Colts, he doesn' t line up against Luck. He has to improve and work on his own to be better than his last time out. This year is all about him improving.
You guys really want to keep comparing Blake to one of the best young QB the league has ever seen? Really? Ok let me ask you this would you trade Andrew for Blake straight up right now?
Andrew luck clearly made players around him better, ask yourself if Ty hilton was on the Jaguars would he be as good as he is now?
Quote:Do you believe in our current coaching staff to take BB where he needs to be?
Firstly, I think BB is the kind of player who will work to get where he needs to be regardless of the situation.
As far as our staff goes, I look at it like this... last year around this time, people wanted Babich fired and were questioning Gus because the defense, with a completely new secondary and scheme, wasn't living up to what we wanted.
We waited a year and now have one of the best defenses in the NFL, certainly in the AFC. I would say we have the best defense in the AFC south, hands down. And why such drastic improvement? The young players grew in the system and we had patience.
This year it's almost the exact same story with the offense. We have ten new starters (basically 11 because Cecil gets injured a lot), all either rookies, second year guys, or Beadles. We are reinventing the offense to match Blake's strengths but the going is slow because of the aforementioned youth. These interceptions everybody freaks out about are the same thing as all the explosive plays our defense gave up last year (and has since limited), that being young players still learning their assignments.
I think if we have patience, This offense will bloom just like the defense. We have too much young talent not to.
But to answer your question, yes. I think they are what he needs. If I have any doubts it's with Fisch loving the screen, but once again we have to remember how young this offense is, and stay patient. My two cents, at least.
Quote:You guys really want to keep comparing Blake to one of the best young QB the league has ever seen? Really? Ok let me ask you this would you trade Andrew for Blake straight up right now?
Andrew luck clearly made players around him better, ask yourself if Ty hilton was on the Jaguars would he be as good as he is now?
yes if he was with him for 3 years like andrew luck under the same circumstances and let me ask you this if bortles had reggie wayne in his rookie year do you think he couldn't have success as well? Sorry to tell you this but bortles did not have a number one receiver like andrew luck did in his rookie year so don't be a troll and quick to dismiss him as a qb who can't make it in this league.
Quote:You guys really want to keep comparing Blake to one of the best young QB the league has ever seen? Really? Ok let me ask you this would you trade Andrew for Blake straight up right now?
Andrew luck clearly made players around him better, ask yourself if Ty hilton was on the Jaguars would he be as good as he is now?
Any sane person would make that trade in a heartbeat.
I really like Blake too but he's not on Lucks level.
I would think that anyone expecting a raw, true-junior rookie from an AAC spread offense to be playing like a polished, fifth-year senior from Stanford's pro style n his third year might be mistaken.
Look, I don't know if BB will be as good as Luck. I know that he's better than what we've had in a long time, and the best QB to come out these past two years. I know he has the tools and the work ethic to capitalize on them. Obviously Luck is better now, but in the future, who can say? I look forward to these two playing each other for the next decade. With any luck (no pun intended), it will be like having Brady-Manning twice a year for ten years.
Quote:yes if he was with him for 3 years like andrew luck under the same circumstances and let me ask you this if bortles had reggie wayne in his rookie year do you think he couldn't have success as well? Sorry to tell you this but bortles did not have a number one receiver like andrew luck did in his rookie year so don't be a troll and quick to dismiss him as a qb who can't make it in this league.
Its not trolling and I know the colts have reggie wayne but I just don't think its wise to compare him to Andrew Luck how about Derek Carr thats a better comparison to me
Luck was much more ready to play NFL football than Bortles was as a rookie. Of course - we knew that and it's why Caldwell/Bradley had pie in the sky dreams of sitting him behind Henne. Of course - Henne sucked too bad for that dream to last.
I have no problem giving Luck his due. He's a very good QB IMO. The progress Bortles makes over the next 10 months will be crucial in determining whether we can compete with the colts for this division in the coming years. Right now they have a big upper hand, and we have only young potential.
IIRC weren't Cam and RG3 the GOAT rookies? It's what you do after that matters. If we have any aspirations of being .500 next season, Bortles will have to take a big step forward
The stats are misleading at this point, Luck definitely has an advantage but by how much? If Bortles can pull off a victory against the Colts this year, I think it'll be all that more impressive.
The fact that it is close is impressive. Bortles should and will be highly judged on his divisional record for his tenure here. Getting a win this year is important.
Manning was and is dominant against his divisional foes, while also putting up crazy stats. Which I think validates his impact because it gives him more division titles and opportunities to do well in the playoffs. That's what Bortles needs to do to reach his ceiling.