Quote:Deserve all the hype? You realize it's only his 3rd season right?
Yeah, and people already consider him a future HOFer. I think they should slow down a lot. He hasn't shown anything to really deserve that. The AFC is a pretty weak division at the moment, he has the weapons, and their defense is decent. Russell Wilson has already won a superbowl, and was lights out at the beginning of the year, and I still heard more praise about Luck.
Quote:Luck had Arians as OC and HC most of that year. Their HC was sidelined with Cancer and the team played well above and beyond their ability. When the new OC came in Lucks production as a passer dropped off and the clots became more of a running team.
Actually, the Colts were 23rd in the NFL in rushing in 2012, tied with the Jags. . Both teams averaged 3.8 yards per attempt, and Luck himself had 5 rushing T.D.'s, one less than all the other running backs combined, and he averaged 4.1 yds. Per attempt, so his running game didn't contribute much to the Colts making the playoffs.
Quote:Actually, the Colts were 22nd in the NFL in rushing in 2012, just ahead of the Jags. Both teams averaged 3.8 yards per attempt, and Luck himself had 5 rushing T.D.'s, one less than all the other running backs combined.
That is what i said. In 2012 his rookie season he was under Arians who is a pass happy OC. in 2013 and 2014 they are under a new OC who is more run happy that is why they gave up a #1 for richardson last year.
Quote:That is what i said. In 2012 his rookie season he was under Arians who is a pass happy OC. in 2013 and 2014 they are under a new OC who is more run happy that is why they gave up a #1 for richardson last year.
I don't agree that the Colts are more "run happy" under their new OC. Luck is on pace to throw 700 passes this season, compared with 500-something last year. That's 44 passes/game on average. The Colts are calling a pass play on 64% of their plays this year, hardly a " run-happy" offense.
Quote:Yeah, and people already consider him a future HOFer. I think they should slow down a lot. He hasn't shown anything to really deserve that. The AFC is a pretty weak division at the moment, he has the weapons, and their defense is decent. Russell Wilson has already won a superbowl, and was lights out at the beginning of the year, and I still heard more praise about Luck.
And now look at Wilson when his defense isn't top notch and he's asked to do more....
Luck is a future HoFer and if you can't see that, you obviously can't see talent.
Wow calling someone a future hall of famer in their 3rd season who hasn't even had a full season ranked in top 10 in a meaningful stat.
He's much improved this year but to start preparing a canton bust is a bit early...
Quote:Some here actually prefer Derek Carr and his 5.6 YPA :teehee:
But, but, but... his TD:INT ratio is superb! That's all that matters!
Quote:But, but, but... his TD:INT ratio is superb! That's all that matters!
I can't watch the Raiders it's like watching Gabbert or Henne. No excitement.
Luck makes history tonight. Meanwhile, Jags achieve nothing today
Quote:I can't watch the Raiders it's like watching Gabbert or Henne. No excitement.
Same thing with Minnesota but fans on our team want to get rid of Bortles. lol. What a Joke.
Quote:Luck makes history tonight. Meanwhile, Jags achieve nothing today
What's the history? Most nauseating QB hype since Brett Favre?
Quote:Same thing with Minnesota but fans on our team want to get rid of Bortles. lol. What a Joke.
Weirdly enough we should know better. Gabbert didn't turn it over much as a rookie and had a pathetically low ypa.
Quote:Luck makes history tonight. Meanwhile, Jags achieve nothing today
Hey, let the door hit you on the way out and become a colts fan,
The Andrew Luck Mega Hype Train keeps on flying down the rails....
Quote:The Andrew Luck Mega Hype Train keeps on flying down the rails....
I missed half time. Did they induct him into HOF yet?
Quote:No one with any sense would ever compare Bortles favorably with Luck. Are you delusional? I don't hear Tom Brady saying he wishes he could play the position like Blake Bortles. Are you serious? That's like comparing Mark Sanchez to Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana. Mercy, I understand that you're a fan, but goodness gracious. Have you actually watched Luck play the game? Luck started from game one on a team that went 2-14 its previous year. By week 8, he set the NFL record for most passing yards in a game by a rookie. By week 9, he'd passed for more yards than Peyton Manning did as a rookie. By week 14, he set the NFL record for the most victories by a rookie QB drafted number one. By the end of the season, he set the NFL rookie record for passing yards. He took a 2-14 team and led it to an 11-5 record and a spot in the playoffs, where his team lost to the Ravens, who eventually won the Super Bowl that season. I don't know what more to say. I'm speechless. Bortles and Luck. You have got to be kidding me.
What was the colts record the year before they went 2-14? What was their record in all 5 seasons before they went 2-14? One could argue that the Colts were simply missing a QB. I mean...How do you complete less than 60% of your passes and break all those records if you don't have a decent team around you? **HINT** you don't.
There is nothing wrong with comparing 2 players stats. Also, keep in mind what's being compared is NOT year 3 Andrew Luck to year 1 Blake Bortles we're comparing year 1 to year 1. Luck is not nor was he some sort of legend that you clearly think he is. Now I am not saying Luck is not good because he is, but I don't think he's quite to worship status that you clearly have him at.
A couple of observations about Luck vs. Bortles;
I believe that Luck had 7 late game-winning drives in his rookie year, a record. His relatively low completion percentage was primarily due to the fact that he threw a lot more long passes than the average NFL QB.
He was sacked and knocked down a lot, so any argument that he had better pass protection than Bortles is not accurate.
His running game was not anything to get excited about, either. In fact, Luck rushed for 5 TD's in his rookie year, 1 less than the rest of his running backs had in total.
I'm not claiming Bortles won't develop into a top QB, all I'm saying is that Luck achieved much more in his rookie year without a stellar offensive line. I feel confident that Bortles will develop, albeit at a slower rate than Luck. Perhaps, and I hope I'm correct, in 5 years they will be like clones of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
Quote:A couple of observations about Luck vs. Bortles;
I believe that Luck had 7 late game-winning drives in his rookie year, a record. His relatively low completion percentage was primarily due to the fact that he threw a lot more long passes than the average NFL QB.
He was sacked and knocked down a lot, so any argument that he had better pass protection than Bortles is not accurate.
His running game was not anything to get excited about, either. In fact, Luck rushed for 5 TD's in his rookie year, 1 less than the rest of his running backs had in total.
I'm not claiming Bortles won't develop into a top QB, all I'm saying is that Luck achieved much more in his rookie year without a stellar offensive line. I feel confident that Bortles will develop, albeit at a slower rate than Luck. Perhaps, and I hope I'm correct, in 5 years they will be like clones of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
All this is true but, It was not all Luck. Bruce Airians was his OC/HC for his rookie season. I think a lot of what he did was because of Airians, i mean look what he is doing with the rookie out in AZ. If we had a OC half as experienced as Airians i think BB would do similar to what Luck did. Fisch needs to either learn to adjust to defenses or replace him with a more experienced OC.
Quote:All this is true but, It was not all Luck. Bruce Airians was his OC/HC for his rookie season. I think a lot of what he did was because of Airians, i mean look what he is doing with the rookie out in AZ. If we had a OC half as experienced as Airians i think BB would do similar to what Luck did. Fisch needs to either learn to adjust to defenses or replace him with a more experienced OC.
I wonder how much better the Jaguars would have been over the last two seasons had they hired Arians instead of Bradley.
He worked wonders for the colts in Luck's rookie year, went 10-6 last season with the Cards using a cast-off QB, and he's leading them to the best record in the NFL with a couple of castoff QBs.
If Bortles turns out to be a real franchise guy he'll make Gus look adequate, but it sure would be great to have a great coach to go along with him instead of having to settle for just adequate at best.
