Quote:If Bortles comes to close to the below stats agaisnt Dallas, then, dare I say, Bang Bang into my heart?!
19/31 - 301 Yards
3 TDS, 0 INTS
45 yards rushing
I think the 0 INTs might be too optimistic, and I'd expect something closer to 250 through the air. But - you just never know!
He's averaging 235 yds per game and Dallas is giving up 237 yds passing per game.
Quote:Okay, you missed a critical word in my paragraph that you quoted. "OR".
Going by that, I was correct in my assesments with the QB I brought up - with the exception of Matt Ryan of which you would be correct didn't meet either criteria.
However, Peyton Manning hit 3 TD in a game by week 7 of his rookie year.
Luck hit close to 400 yards in week 5 and either hit 3 TD or close to 400 yards in week 9 of his rookie year.
Russell Wilson hit 3 TD in a game in weeks 6 and 9 of his rookie year.
Give the whole star line please not just Tds. Those game were accompanied with 3-4 ints as well or poor completion percentages or poor yardage totals.
I guess a 3 td game is cool but if he threw 4 picks like the one example you tired to hide then is that really a "breakout game?" A breakout game is flawless with gaudy numbers all across. Blake has a game with 78% completion. I don't think Peyton has done that in his life ever and Blake did it in his first start.
Just leave it were it is. He is a rookie and he looks like one. You will not know we're he will end up right now. Neither of us do. All we can do is wait and watch.
Quote: I think the 0 INTs might be too optimistic, and I'd expect something closer to 250 through the air. But - you just never know!
He's averaging 235 yds per game and Dallas is giving up 237 yds passing per game.
I wouldn't even care about the amount of INT's he threw as long as he either totaled 3 TD passes or approached 400 yards in the game.
Peyton Manning's INT numbers didn't approach elite status until about his 6th season. He threw 28 TD and only 10 INT that year, and he was consistently around that number for the most part from that point forward.
People are making far too much about the INT's Blake is throwing. Let him make them and learn. Whats more important is Blake putting up the production totals of TD's and yards. The INT total will eventually come down.
Quote:I wouldn't even care about the amount of INT's he threw as long as he either totaled 3 TD passes or approached 400 yards in the game.
You don't care about INTs - I don't care about 400 yards. I just want to see conversions and more sustained drives. A functional offense without all the miscues.
You say the INTs will lessen. I agree. I feel the same way about 400 yd games. It'll come with experience.
Setting some stat line standard for an obviously raw rookie is just a recipe for disappointment.
Quote:You don't care about INTs - I don't care about 400 yards. I just want to see conversions and more sustained drives. A functional offense without all the miscues.
You say the INTs will lessen. I agree. I feel the same way about 400 yd games. It'll come with experience.
Setting some stat line standard for an obviously raw rookie is just a recipe for disappointment.
I think the key word in your post would be "standard". I think its important for Blake himself to get used to putting up high production totals in his developmental stages as that will eventually become the "standard" for him. Thats just a guess on my part, but I think that kind of thing is what the Colts were trying to do when they pretty much let Luck and Manning loose their rookie years.
Its funny we both seem to feel the other part of the game will come with experience - you thinking the numbers part will, my thinking the lower INT part will....where we both disagree is what to focus on for his development. You seem to favor limiting the mistakes early where I seem to be one focusing on letting him loose and compiling totals and developing an aggressive mindset.
Quote:I think the key word in your post would be "standard". I think its important for Blake himself to get used to putting up high production totals in his developmental stages as that will eventually become the "standard" for him. Thats just a guess on my part, but I think that kind of thing is what the Colts were trying to do when they pretty much let Luck and Manning loose their rookie years.
Its funny we both seem to feel the other part of the game will come with experience - you thinking the numbers part will, my thinking the lower INT part will....where we both disagree is what to focus on for his development. You seem to favor limiting the mistakes early where I seem to be one focusing on letting him loose and compiling totals and developing an aggressive mindset.
Now with no weapons its hard for any qb to put up large totals. Those other guys had legit threats to throw to. Bortles does not at the moment
Quote:... compiling totals and developing an aggressive mindset.
It's well documented that he doesn't need to develop this. He has it. It's what the title of the thread implies and it's been covered by the QB and the OC in multiple press conferences.
Quote:Now with no weapons its hard for any qb to put up large totals. Those other guys had legit threats to throw to. Bortles does not at the moment
No weapons? Our guys maybe green, but theres not a lack of talent with our receiving weapons.
We have 2 rookies already at 3 and 4 respectively in receiving yards.
Quote: It's well documented that he doesn't need to develop this. He has it. It's what the title of the thread implies and it's been covered by the QB and the OC in multiple press conferences.
Ok, is "foster" the better term then? (as opposed to "develop" an aggressive mindset)
You're correct in that yes, Blake did enter the NFL with the aggressive mindset. I do believe that it still needs to be groomed and enabled as a pro as I think it can go in reverse if they overstress on him to avoid mistakes (INT's)
Quote:Now with no weapons its hard for any qb to put up large totals. Those other guys had legit threats to throw to. Bortles does not at the moment
I hate to disagree with you but i have to on this one. I think Hurns is a legit threat. ARob and CSIII can move the chains also. Hurns is turning out to be a bona fide home run hitter.
Quote:I hate to disagree with you but i have to on this one. I think Hurns is a legit threat. ARob and CSIII can move the chains also. Hurns is turning out to be a bona fide home run hitter.
Not only that, but we're also seeing a consistent running game of late with the breakout of Denard, which should help make life easier for Blake.
Quote:I hate to disagree with you but i have to on this one. I think Hurns is a legit threat. ARob and CSIII can move the chains also. Hurns is turning out to be a bona fide home run hitter.
They may turn into weapons but they are not top guys right now. I mean numbers wise they are bottom of the line with other wideouts. Compared to other rookies they are pretty good and I think they will be true weapons in the future. But right now they are just decent.
The numbers don't lie on that one.
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Ok, is "foster" the better term then? (as opposed to "develop" an aggressive mindset)
You're correct in that yes, Blake did enter the NFL with the aggressive mindset. I do believe that it still needs to be groomed and enabled as a pro as I think it can go in reverse if they overstress on him to avoid mistakes (INT's)
Foster is a better term. If you think he requires some type of kid gloves treatment to continue his natural instincts. I don't.
I find the thought of him somehow turning into a different QB because of a "limit mistakes" approach to be an unnecessary concern. A myth too often hyped around here.
As a fan it is good to see these guys emerging but I would not classify them as weapons just yet. They are solid with upside.
Brady is the only guy in history to really put up numbers without solid guys and he never put up big number until he got weapons. It is what it is.
An interesting tidbit from Bruce Arians on coaching Manning during his rookie season:
On being Peyton Manning’s first pro quarterback coach
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:15.1999998092651px;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(229,229,229);">“I always think coaching’s more fun in the hard times, when they’re just learning. I loved coaching Peyton Manning. The early times were great. I remember in New England his rookie year, he’d just thrown about his fifth interception of the day [actually third] and we’re getting killed [29-0 early in the fourth quarter]. He comes over to the sidelines and I say, ‘Dude, you’re not coming out of the game. We’re going no-huddle now. You’re gonna learn something now.’
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Brady is the only guy in history to really put up numbers without solid guys and he never put up big number until he got weapons. It is what it is.
I disagree with the above.
Favre pretty much made relative no names into stars as Favre developed.
Same thing with Elway.
Phil Simms? same.
Aikman had Irvin but that was the only "name" WR - the rest like Alvin Harper and Kelvin Martin were nobodies who became something through Aikman.
Brady as you cite is another.
Actually the same might be able to be said for Rodgers. He has good WR weapons, but I don't think any of them like Jordy Nelson or Cob were anticipated to become what they have. Rodgers' talent for sure helped bring them along.
Quote:An interesting tidbit from Bruce Arians on coaching Manning during his rookie season:
On being Peyton Manning’s first pro quarterback coach
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:15.1999998092651px;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(229,229,229);">“I always think coaching’s more fun in the hard times, when they’re just learning. I loved coaching Peyton Manning. The early times were great. I remember in New England his rookie year, he’d just thrown about his fifth interception of the day [actually third] and we’re getting killed [29-0 early in the fourth quarter]. He comes over to the sidelines and I say, ‘Dude, you’re not coming out of the game. We’re going no-huddle now. You’re gonna learn something now.’
Love love love Bruce Arians as a QB coach / offensive coordinator.
Thanks for the above tidbit.
Quote:They may turn into weapons but they are not top guys right now. I mean numbers wise they are bottom of the line with other wideouts. Compared to other rookies they are pretty good and I think they will be true weapons in the future. But right now they are just decent.
The numbers don't lie on that one.
Check out Hurns stats compared to the rest of the NFL, not just in receiving yards but sort by TDs, Avg, catches of 20+, catches of 40+. Look at his position and check out the names around him. He's a legit NFL weapon.
Quote:I disagree with the above.
Favre pretty much made relative no names into stars as Favre developed.
Same thing with Elway.
Phil Simms? same.
Aikman had Irvin but that was the only "name" WR - the rest like Alvin Harper and Kelvin Martin were nobodies who became something through Aikman.
Brady as you cite is another.
Actually the same might be able to be said for Rodgers. He has good WR weapons, but I don't think any of them like Jordy Nelson or Cob were anticipated to become what they have. Rodgers' talent for sure helped bring them along.
Remember the conversation was puttting up number not winning. Favre by the way Sterling Sharpe and Donald Driver. Jennings was dominant before his injury.
Quote:Check out Hurns stats compared to the rest of the NFL, not just in receiving yards but sort by TDs, Avg, catches of 20+, catches of 40+. Look at his position and check out the names around him. He's a legit NFL weapon.
But ask yourself is that Hurns or a by product of Bortles ability to push the ball down the field. I think it's the latter.