Quote:You're going against your talking points now. Being prepared and motivated does not always translate to playing hard on the field. I would say motivation would translate more, but on its own....its not 100% correlation.
No one said it was 100% correlation.I never even said that motivation level was that big of factor. I've said that talent and coaching are the two biggest factors. All I've stated is that it is most definitely a factor.
And no, I'm not going against my talking points. This is the thesis that I am defending:
Quote:People seem to forget that FSU is gonna get everyone's best shot this year because they want to be the team that knocks off the defending champs.
People are going to put a lot more time into preparing for Florida St. than they are for Hofstra. Being more prepared is one of the factors going into "giving your best shot".
Quote:You are off your rocker. He'll run the route that Saban and Kiffin want him to and he will do it at the same speed and precision he would no mattter the opponent.
I knew you couldn't answer yes/no.
Why would I answer a "simple yes/no" to an anecdotal questions? Not everything a player does against does against a rival opponent is going to be different. That doesn't change the fact that there are situations where the emotions/intensity of a rivalry game will motivate players to
dig a little deeper.
Quote:The point is people judge teams based on who they beat and where they were ranked at the time. That's how it will be determined it for the playoff so yes the top 25 doesmatter and helps determine strength of schedule. To call FSU best win over a team ranked in the top 5 over rated and not a good win is bogus. If we go that route we may as well say that no wins over top 10 teams should count because they are over rated.
No. The point is that based in watching them play I personally.... "I" think they're overrated. So it has nothing to do with who else they beat's rankings in the polls, because I have a problem with the polls rankings in the first place.
Quote:Being more prepared has direct coorelation to playing better, not harder.
Being more motivated (ie. playing against your rival, playing to upset the #1 overall team) has direct coorelation to playing with more effort or intensity.
You are correct. It has nothing to do with playing harder which I stated from the out set and you argued. You then bring in things unrelated to the point made.
There are different motivations for every game, every week.That is never not part of the equation in prepping for a game.
Quote:No one said it was 100% correlation.I never even said that motivation level was that big of factor. I've said that talent and coaching are the two biggest factors. All I've stated is that it is most definitely a factor.
And no, I'm not going against my talking points. This is the thesis that I am defending:
People are going to put a lot more time into preparing for Florida St. than they are for Hofstra. Being more prepared is one of the factors going into "giving your best shot".
Your again adding more nonsense to the point made. Typical though.
Being more motivated and playing with elevated emotion/intensity (ie. rivalry game) does have correlation to playing harder/digging deeper.
Being more prepared is related to playing better. Players will be much more focused on preparation during rivalry week than they will be during Hofstra week.
Quote:Being more motivated and playing with elevated emotion/intensity (ie. rivalry game) does have correlation to playing harder/digging deeper.
Being more prepared is related to playing better. Players will be much more focused on preparation during rivalry week than they will be during Hofstra week.
That emotion and intensity as I have said long ago on here, is gone when that ball is kicked off. From then on you play football like you know how, have been coached, etc.
That route wheel against Hofstra will be run the same way against LSU this week.
So, just to be clear, you don't think athletes ever "dig a littler deeper"? You don't think spiked adrenaline from playing your rival or playing the #1 team in the country has ANY effect on players during the game?
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Quote:So, just to be clear, you don't think athletes ever "dig a littler deeper"? You don't think spiked adrenaline from playing your rival or playing the #1 team in the country has ANY effect on players during the game?
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Athletes do dig deeper and it's not just in a David and Goliath type game. You could have two giants going at it, or #'s 120 and #121 slugging it out. Come fourth quarter, or a crucial third down in the 2nd quarter you have guys who "dig a little deeper" to get the job done.
That, again, is a common occurence in many, many, many football games. This is n't unique.
I love your use of cliches.
Quote:No one said it was 100% correlation.I never even said that motivation level was that big of factor. I've said that talent and coaching are the two biggest factors. All I've stated is that it is most definitely a factor.
And no, I'm not going against my talking points. This is the thesis that I am defending:
People are going to put a lot more time into preparing for Florida St. than they are for Hofstra. Being more prepared is one of the factors going into "giving your best shot".
LOL...you'll beat that horse. It's still not true. Now we are talking about being more prepared when the original discussion was giving more effort. You will continually change a discussion to mold it to your view. Even if its wrong.
Quote:So, just to be clear, you don't think athletes ever "dig a littler deeper"? You don't think spiked adrenaline from playing your rival or playing the #1 team in the country has ANY effect on players during the game?
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No....like he said, after the first drive or two it goes away. It's an adrenaline rush that doesn't happen the whole game.
If Michigan was down a point on the one yard line with one second to go to osu, Iowa, Iowa St, MSU...they would give the same amount of effort in every single game. Not just because its their main rival.
Quote:LOL...you'll beat that horse. It's still not true. Now we are talking about being more prepared when the original discussion was giving more effort. You will continually change a discussion to mold it to your view. Even if its wrong.
No. This is the thesis that started the discussion:
Quote:People seem to forget that FSU is gonna get everyone's best shot this year because they want to be the team that knocks off the defending champs.
I think Alabama is the best team in the SEC right now, and they're getting better. Hopefully we can get an Alabama-FSU matchup in the playoff final. The country deserves that matchup.
Being more prepared is a key component to "giving your best shot".
Being more motivated and playing with more emotion/intensity is a key component to "giving your best shot".
Quote:Kids don't go out and play any harder for one game then they do the other.
Quote:No. This is the thesis that started the discussion:
Being more prepared is a key component to "giving your best shot".
Being more motivated and playing with more emotion/intensity is a key component to "giving your best shot".
No, actually my post is what kicked this off. You have added, (tried unsuccessfully), to make your square fit through the round hole.
Quote:No. This is the thesis that started the discussion:
Being more prepared is a key component to "giving your best shot".
Being more motivated and playing with more emotion/intensity is a key component to "giving your best shot".
You're changing your original stance! Your original stance was that in a rival game they give more effort on the field. Now you want to talk about being prepared. You are comparing a D1 school to a school that barely has a program to prove your argument.
Your motivation/intensity is short lived in a football game. Have you ever played a football game (if you've played) where you came out fired up and stayed with that intensity through the first or second series? No....you get into a roll in the game where you play your rival the same way you play someone else.
Quote:No....like he said, after the first drive or two it goes away. It's an adrenaline rush that doesn't happen the whole game.
If Michigan was down a point on the one yard line with one second to go to osu, Iowa, Iowa St, MSU...they would give the same amount of effort in every single game. Not just because its their main rival.
Again, these are anecdotal situations. Not
EVERY situation is going to be different. If Alabama is beating Hofstra 21-0, the DE might hold up from hitting a QB after the ball is released. If Alabama is up 21-0 to Auburn, that QB is taking a lick.
There are situations in every game where motivation / intensity is peaked. In rivalry games, those situations occur more in rivalry games because every time you line up you stare at someone you hate. This is college football 101, folks.
Quote:No, actually my post is what kicked this off. You have added, (tried unsuccessfully), to make your square fit through the round hole.
Hey, genius, your post was a response to Big John's thesis. Therefor, it was
Big John's post that kicked this off. You probably should have made use of your free education while playing college football. You have the comprehension ability of a 3rd grader.
Quote:You're very pompous....
Take your ball and go home.
Quote:Hey, genius, your post was a response to Big John's thesis. Therefor, it was Big John's post that kicked this off. You probably should have made use of your free education while playing college football. You have the comprehension ability of a 3rd grader.
No. If not for my comment there'd be none of this. I was simply pointing out what it was I said. You can see from your first post regarding this comment that you've spun it several ways to try and fit your original stance. Pick one and stay with it.