Quote:lol what makes you think Bortles is better than Foles?
I didnt say he was definitively better. The first one is just one possible/most likely scenario. Either Blake is actually better than foles or hes equal to foles and gets the starting nod because of what the franchise has invested in him.
i want him to fail. I love losing 12+ games a year.
Quote:No we need Blake to better then 2015, and 2016 form..We need him to stop committing costly turnovers and to improve his accuracy and decision making.. Yea i agree of course you need a team , but the qb is the main piece... And Osweiler trash.. Savage the one that could have helped the Texans... You defend Bortles please tell me why?
My friend i will be happy to tell you why i defend him as a qb for this team from an unbiased standpoint. I believe he has talent and although flawed i still believe that he has the tools and mental toughness to be successful despite of the limited help around him. His flaws such as accuracy, decision making, and mechanics are all fixable if this fanbase stays a little bit more patient instead of being traumatized because we as a whole are suffering from the losing seasons syndrome.
People like Eli Manning, Cam Newton and Andrew Luck has similar flaws just like Blake but they also won base on better personnel, coaching and brakes along the way and i'm happy to explain each case. Eli Manning has better personnel during the 2 seasons he won the superbowl and as far as Eli's play recently when he has the receiver of the caliber of O'Dell Jr his accuracy issues are non issues because that guy is always open unlike allen robinson who can't create the same mismatches similar to him. In Cam Newton case he had for a 3 year stretch before this year had one of the best defenses in the league in addition to a great running game to help him win. Lastly, Andrew Luck went to the playoffs the first 3 years but it wasn't an accident he was helped by the division and the qb's he faced 6 times a year during that span Jags (Gabbert, Henne, rookie Blake), Titans ( Locker, Whitehurts, Mettenburg), and Texans ( Schaub, Yates, Fitzpatrick) so it's not a consequence that he won 17 straight games against the AFC South during his first 3 years and was 15-15 vs the rest of the league. However, since the division has somewhat caught up to him all of a sudden he isn't running through the division anymore but because the media likes him they're blaming his supporting cast instead of him and his mistakes.
My bottom line is we're so quick to turn on Blake base on our long suffering recent history of losing instead of actually letting him developed because who knows he just reach his full potential. He's not blaine gabbert who was a lost cause base on his fear of phantom pressure and had a GM in Gene Smith who was an absolute idiot when it came to scouting NFL players. Blake has alot of talent and i just hope they allow him to put it all together for this team and put the right amount of talent around him personnel wise for him to succeed for this team.
Quote:My friend i will be happy to tell you why i defend him as a qb for this team from an unbiased standpoint. I believe he has talent and although flawed i still believe that he has the tools and mental toughness to be successful despite of the limited help around him. His flaws such as accuracy, decision making, and mechanics are all fixable if this fanbase stays a little bit more patient instead of being traumatized because we as a whole are suffering from the losing seasons syndrome.
People like Eli Manning, Cam Newton and Andrew Luck has similar flaws just like Blake but they also won base on better personnel, coaching and brakes along the way and i'm happy to explain each case. Eli Manning has better personnel during the 2 seasons he won the superbowl and as far as Eli's play recently when he has the receiver of the caliber of O'Dell Jr his accuracy issues are non issues because that guy is always open unlike allen robinson who can't create the same mismatches similar to him. In Cam Newton case he had for a 3 year stretch before this year had one of the best defenses in the league in addition to a great running game to help him win. Lastly, Andrew Luck went to the playoffs the first 3 years but it wasn't an accident he was helped by the division and the qb's he faced 6 times a year during that span Jags (Gabbert, Henne, rookie Blake), Titans ( Locker, Whitehurts, Mettenburg), and Texans ( Schaub, Yates, Fitzpatrick) so it's not a consequence that he won 17 straight games against the AFC South during his first 3 years and was 15-15 vs the rest of the league. However, since the division has somewhat caught up to him all of a sudden he isn't running through the division anymore but because the media likes him they're blaming his supporting cast instead of him and his mistakes.
My bottom line is we're so quick to turn on Blake base on our long suffering recent history of losing instead of actually letting him developed because who knows he just reach his full potential. He's not blaine gabbert who was a lost cause base on his fear of phantom pressure and had a GM in Gene Smith who was an absolute idiot when it came to scouting NFL players. Blake has alot of talent and i just hope they allow him to put it all together for this team and put the right amount of talent around him personnel wise for him to succeed for this team.
Thanks for elaborating.. I can respect your view point and optimism... And I hope this is the case,but for many of us the eye test is a important tool when judging a player..And Bortles have failed that eye test.. Yes he have shown flashes but what good is lightning if it don't storm.. We need Bortles to rain in good plays consistently.. And he haven't done that.. Every game you see balls in the dirt, wobbly passes, overthrown balls on wide open receivers.. Hell it's sad when at the end of a close game you expect a turnover from this guy... He just ain't a winner... And I'm tired waiting and watching him.. Tom, Marrone please go find us a winner.. We need a Aaron Rodgers,Matt Ryan,Tom Brady.. We need a elite qb! And if Andrew Luck would have had this team I guarantee we would have been 10-6..
Quote: And I'm tired waiting and watching him.. Tom, Marrone please go find us a winner.. We need a Aaron Rodgers,Matt Ryan,Tom Brady.. We need a elite qb! And if Andrew Luck would have had this team I guarantee we would have been 10-6..
Yeah, because everybody has QBs like this.
Quote:Yeah, because everybody has QBs like this.
I never said every team do, but teams that win consistently do.. Why can't the jaguars get a elite qb??
Cam and Andrew have never been as bad as what Blake has shown us and they didnt have fundamental issues throwing a football like he did either.
Quote:Thanks for elaborating.. I can respect your view point and optimism... And I hope this is the case,but for many of us the eye test is a important tool when judging a player..And Bortles have failed that eye test.. Yes he have shown flashes but what good is lightning if it don't storm.. We need Bortles to rain in good plays consistently.. And he haven't done that.. Every game you see balls in the dirt, wobbly passes, overthrown balls on wide open receivers.. Hell it's sad when at the end of a close game you expect a turnover from this guy... He just ain't a winner... And I'm tired waiting and watching him.. Tom, Marrone please go find us a winner.. We need a Aaron Rodgers,Matt Ryan,Tom Brady.. We need a elite qb! And if Andrew Luck would have had this team I guarantee we would have been 10-6..
I understand your view point as well although let me say that in 2016 his mechanics was really bad but that wasn't the case in 2015. Also, you said that you want a winner like Matt Ryan when not too long ago he went 3 years straight 2013(4-12) 2014(6-10) and 2015(8-8) without reaching the postseason. I ask you not to be prisoner of the moment and what changed for Matt Ryan is his supporting cast which is leaps and bounds better than what we have for blake at this time including a hall of famer in Julio Jones. I can't explain Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers because they're hall of famers and to expect blake to be a hall of famer is wishful thinking my friend. 2017 will tell us all about blake and his future with the team and i for one will happily jump off the bandwagon if he fails this year but unlike you i'm going to let it all play out. Hell i ask you to think of Matthew Stafford and the many years he has missed the postseason so it takes more than a qb to make a team. It's no different than it takes a village to raise a child and in blake's case the personnel around him that has to step up as well.
Quote:Cam and Andrew have never been as bad as what Blake has shown us and they didnt have fundamental issues throwing a football like he did either.
Cam's accuracy has been an issue since he came into the league. His accuracy this year? 53.5%.
Cam's accuracy all-time is 58.4%. Blake's is 58.8%. I'd say both have accuracy issues that stem from inefficient mechanics.
Quote:Cam's accuracy has been an issue since he came into the league. His accuracy this year? 53.5%.
Cam's accuracy all-time is 58.4%. Blake's is 58.8%. I'd say both have accuracy issues that stem from inefficient mechanics.
actually, cam as thrown 52.9 percent this season but lets not talk about the truth because only blake has been inaccurate and no one else in the NFL.
Quote:actually, cam as thrown 52.9 percent this season but lets not talk about the truth because only blake has been inaccurate and no one else in the NFL.
It is not the fact he is inaccurate. It is more so. Of when he has had time and was still way off the mark. But guys like hurns did him no favors that is for sure.
This is a poorly worded poll. What if I want him to succeed, but don't think he will or think they should spend the first pick on a QB?
Whether or not I want him to succeed has nothing to do with him deserving another chance.
Why would anyone NOT want Bortles to succeed... that's beyond me.
Quote:Why would anyone NOT want Bortles to succeed... that's beyond me.
Read the message board topics and replies and then ask yourself that question again.
Quote:Read the message board topics and replies and then ask yourself that question again.
Even still, he's the QB for the team we all support. Not wanting him to succeed seems a little odd.
Quote:Why would anyone NOT want Bortles to succeed... that's beyond me.
The same people that root for the team to lose so the coach and or GM are more likely to get fired. Those who have already decided it is time to move on in their mind.
Quote:The same people that root for the team to lose so the coach and or GM are more likely to get fired. Those who have already decided it is time to move on in their mind.
Fair enough.. I still don't get it! Haha.
Some of us don't see him as a starter regardless of what Caldwell says. He no longer has the final say.
This is just a very poorly worded poll.
I want him to succeed, but I don't think he "deserves another chance"... I've seen enough - we need to sign/draft a QB.
Quote:Even still, he's the QB for the team we all support. Not wanting him to succeed seems a little odd.
I honestly don't think anybody really wishes/wished for Bortles to suck. We all wanted him to be the guy. Some of us have seen enough and don't think he has earned another chance to start for us. We believe that in order for this team succeed, we must get a new quarterback.